2014 Pirelli Hungarian Grand Prix

He didn't have the burden of being a former champion, less was expected of him.
 
He's going to have to. Right now, he has to be the worst Ferrari driver since Ivan Capelli.
Badoer and Fisichella where worse tbh, it sounds like he is just not sorted with the car and the difference is exaggerated, even though I think Alonso was always better then Kimi, if kimi was performing as well at Ferrari as he was at Lotus I think he would be within 15/20 points of Alonso at this stage.
 
Badoer and Fisichella where worse tbh, it sounds like he is just not sorted with the car and the difference is exaggerated, even though I think Alonso was always better then Kimi, if kimi was performing as well at Ferrari as he was at Lotus I think he would be within 15/20 points of Alonso at this stage.

Yeah but they had far less time to get sorted, we know that the Giancarlo wasn't slow that season so long as he was driving the Force India he had been use too. And Badoer was a simple development driver it'd be like putting in PdR. I do think it has more to do with Ferrari having very poor balance compared to the Lotus he was use to, but I feel Kimi's indifference is an issue.
 
I remember the end of the 2008 race... Massa's engine went KAPUT with 3 laps to go... handed the win to Hamilton '-' And going by the final standings, that win would give Massa the championship... '-'
 
Yeah but they had far less time to get sorted, we know that the Giancarlo wasn't slow that season so long as he was driving the Force India he had been use too. And Badoer was a simple development driver it'd be like putting in PdR. I do think it has more to do with Ferrari having very poor balance compared to the Lotus he was use to, but I feel Kimi's indifference is an issue.
Badoer was much more compromised then probably anyone who has been in a f1 seat in decades, he hadn't driven a F1 car in almost 10 years before the call up and didn't do any other proper racing in the time either, the whole situation was a massive face palm moment from ferrari.
 
You mean if we ignore what he did at Ferrari the first time around, right?
No. Whatever capital he built up last time, he's burned it all up and then some now. Given his 2014 performances, you wouldn't know he was a World Champion once upon a time.
 
I get the feeling someone ;) doesn't like Kimi very much. I thought Kimi was driving pretty well last year but Lotus development let him down I think...You don't go from being a good driver one year to being a 🤬 driver the next.
 
Badoer was much more compromised then probably anyone who has been in a f1 seat in decades, he hadn't driven a F1 car in almost 10 years before the call up and didn't do any other proper racing in the time either, the whole situation was a massive face palm moment from ferrari.

Which for us is something we've grown accustom to from Ferrari since about 2009 to now, obviously there were plenty of other bad moments before that but the streak of stupidity is almost as continuous as the First Great Ferrari decline of the 80s to 90s
 
You know, until we see someone else in that seat beside Fernando, we will never know if the issues were with Kimi (and before that, with Massa) or with the car itself. We could keep Alonso at Ferrari another five years and have Vettel, Hamilton, Ricciardo, Rosberg and every other highly rated driver cycle through the team, just so we can prove, once and for all, that Alonso is the best, or Ferrari could get off its duff and produce a winning car, for once.
 
I remember the end of the 2008 race... Massa's engine went KAPUT with 3 laps to go... handed the win to Hamilton '-' And going by the final standings, that win would give Massa the championship... '-'
Hamilton made plenty of cock-ups too that could have given Massa the championship. That's why every race seemed to count for something.
 
I remember the end of the 2008 race... Massa's engine went KAPUT with 3 laps to go... handed the win to Hamilton '-' And going by the final standings, that win would give Massa the championship... '-'

Heikki Kovalainen won that race.
 
Hamilton made plenty of cock-ups too that could have given Massa the championship. That's why every race seemed to count for something.
Hamilton performs at his best when he's in the 2nd/3rd fastest car and about 50 points behind in the championship which is frustrating, whenever he gets close to or leads the championship something gets in the way.
 
Hamilton performs at his best when he's in the 2nd/3rd fastest car and about 50 points behind in the championship which is frustrating, whenever he gets close to or leads the championship something gets in the way.

This is different though, he doesn't need such a deficit, with all the issues popping up and the looming threat of double points killing his chance for WDC in the last race the pressure is probably at what a 50 or 60 pts deficit would create. That's why we've seen amazing drives from him in the last 3 races alone.

I mean maybe he doesn't like having an easy Sunday like Malaysia, which could be what this weekend ends up being.
 
I still don't understand the hype around Hamilton, it seems every time he doesn't win rather than congratulating Rosberg on the job he's done (i.e. Not screwing up in qualifying and driving a measured race (Germany excluded due to Hamiltons failure)) most would rather come up with poor excuses as to why Hamilton didn't win rather than accepting that Rosberg just did a better job over the weekend.

All the nonsense about Mercedes making Hamilton's pitstops slower springs to mind as a good example.

Whichever of them wins the title will deserve it whether that comes about due to car failures or just being faster.

Personally, i hope it's Rosberg that wins and i hope there isn't a load of 'what might have been had Hamilton not gone to tesco that morning' nonsense as it's getting fairly boring now.
 
I still don't understand the hype around Hamilton, it seems every time he doesn't win rather than congratulating Rosberg on the job he's done (i.e. Not screwing up in qualifying and driving a measured race (Germany excluded due to Hamiltons failure)) most would rather come up with poor excuses as to why Hamilton didn't win rather than accepting that Rosberg just did a better job over the weekend.

All the nonsense about Mercedes making Hamilton's pitstops slower springs to mind as a good example.

Whichever of them wins the title will deserve it whether that comes about due to car failures or just being faster.

Personally, i hope it's Rosberg that wins and i hope there isn't a load of 'what might have been had Hamilton not gone to tesco that morning' nonsense as it's getting fairly boring now.

I don't get how it's getting boring, unless you're talking about the topic of Hamilton, as for the might have beens there is that any season with any driver. You're entire premise seems to be the same of those talking up say Vettel, and being annoyed by it and thus rant, though many have given great reasoning and evidence to show otherwise that Hamilton is as good as people make him out to be.

It would be a great shame to see the driver that wins the most lose the championship, but if that's how the cookie crumbles so be it, and life will still go on.
 
It would be a great shame to see the driver that wins the most lose the championship, but if that's how the cookie crumbles so be it, and life will still go on.

There is a scenario that would see Hamilton win all but 1 race remaining (13 wins from 19) and still come second to Rosberg in the championship.

Cheers double points in Abu Dhabi, way to dictate a champion!
 
There is a scenario that would see Hamilton win all but 1 race remaining (13 wins from 19) and still come second to Rosberg in the championship.

Cheers double points in Abu Dhabi, way to dictate a champion!

Yeah I saw that scenario on F1Fanatic as well
 
It is getting more and more likely that the champion will be decided purely by the Abu Dhabi result. Please Bernie, do the right thing!
 
There is a scenario that would see Hamilton win all but 1 race remaining (13 wins from 19) and still come second to Rosberg in the championship.

Cheers double points in Abu Dhabi, way to dictate a champion!
If that were to happen, I wouldn't blame double points. I'd blame Hamilton. After all, he and Rosberg developed an identical brake problem within minutes of one another in Canada. Despite the team's misgivings - they were convinced the problem was terminal - Rosberg managed the problem and finished on the podium. Hamilton pushed too hard and for too long, ruined his brakes, and as a result, was forced out of the race.

It would easy to blame double points for "robbing" Hamilton of a championship - but going by their current form, Rosberg deserves it more. Hamilton might have won more races, but he has also made more mistakes. Some were beyond his ability to control, but he has thrown away easy opportunities, like qualifying in Austria and Britain.

Let me ask you this - what would you say if, instead of losing the title because of double points Hamilton wins it? Because if you compare their performances this year, Rosberg will probably have the upper hand in Abu Dhabi, assuming he hasn't won the title already.
 
I don't want double points to decide this championship in either direction. I want Rosberg to win but not if it involves him overhauling a 10-point gap in a Merc 1-2.
 
I honestly think title talk shouldn't be discussed fully until the US GP at the earliest.

There are still 9 races to go, anything could happen. Rosberg could storm away from Hamilton or vice versa.
 
I don't get how it's getting boring, unless you're talking about the topic of Hamilton, as for the might have beens there is that any season with any driver. You're entire premise seems to be the same of those talking up say Vettel, and being annoyed by it and thus rant, though many have given great reasoning and evidence to show otherwise that Hamilton is as good as people make him out to be.

It would be a great shame to see the driver that wins the most lose the championship, but if that's how the cookie crumbles so be it, and life will still go on.

I'm talking solely about the topic of Hamilton.

Almost every time I look at a GP thread on here where LH doesn't win all I see is 'oh but Hamilton would have xxx if xxx didn't happen' or the equivalent. It's just dull, the problem isn't just confined to this forum though, Crofty on Sky going crazy every time Hamilton overtakes a much slower car and proclaiming it to be a fantastic overtake is equally boring.
 
For Sky Sports customers, here are the classic races leading up to this weekend's race;

Thursday - 1997
Friday - 2013
Saturday - 1998
Sunday - 2014 & 1990


I will now put this into the OP for future races.

I would've thought they would include 2006. That was a great race.
 
I'm talking solely about the topic of Hamilton.

Almost every time I look at a GP thread on here where LH doesn't win all I see is 'oh but Hamilton would have xxx if xxx didn't happen' or the equivalent. It's just dull, the problem isn't just confined to this forum though, Crofty on Sky going crazy every time Hamilton overtakes a much slower car and proclaiming it to be a fantastic overtake is equally boring.

Yeah but my point is you can't just pick and choose which legions of fans to hate, unless you wish to be that inconsistent. I've seen groups do it for Kimi and Vettel, Alonso and Button and what not and to be honest it is the same to me as it is for any group of fans, a bit drawn out.
 
Judging by some of the posts I'm seeing on twitter, some of the media needs to be kicked out of the press conference. Asking things about Russia/Ukraine, human rights. Basically things that the Team Principals have no point in being questioned on.
 
If that were to happen, I wouldn't blame double points. I'd blame Hamilton. After all, he and Rosberg developed an identical brake problem within minutes of one another in Canada. Despite the team's misgivings - they were convinced the problem was terminal - Rosberg managed the problem and finished on the podium. Hamilton pushed too hard and for too long, ruined his brakes, and as a result, was forced out of the race.

It would easy to blame double points for "robbing" Hamilton of a championship - but going by their current form, Rosberg deserves it more. Hamilton might have won more races, but he has also made more mistakes. Some were beyond his ability to control, but he has thrown away easy opportunities, like qualifying in Austria and Britain.

Let me ask you this - what would you say if, instead of losing the title because of double points Hamilton wins it? Because if you compare their performances this year, Rosberg will probably have the upper hand in Abu Dhabi, assuming he hasn't won the title already.

From what we have seen so far, completely agree that Rosberg should be ahead. Rosberg hasn't made those mistakes that Hamilton has as you said, and deserves the points lead he has.

Being a hypothetical scenario however, there is nothing to say that as well as Hamilton winning the next 8 races, Rosberg makes a mistake in each which cost him the win. Therefore the statement is made with the "who deserves it" debate left to one side for now, but you would think that someone winning 13 out of 19 races deserves the championship more.

To then answer your point about Hamilton winning the championship because of double rules in Abu Dhabi, again I feel it is wrong. The race in Abu Dhabi isn't special in any way, but ultimately it will have a large say in who is 2014 champion. If you took all 19 seasons in the same points format and were allowed to double the points for any race, you could swing the title race between the 2 any way you liked to make a driver champion (presuming it stays as close as it has done so far). Who deserves it though is who is top before those double points get applied... I hope Rosberg or Hamilton is 50 points clear before then.

I heard an idea regarding the Mercedes comment who think it is unfair as well, in that they suggested Mercedes show disapproval by not scoring any of the double points... It won't happen (am I correct in remembering teams get a financial reward based on points scored in a season?) but food for thought perhaps.
 
In the Australian World Series Sprintcars they also have a double points race(joker card), however it's a drivers call as to which race they play their joker and must be played before the race. I like this system and hope that F1 either does something similar or drops the idea.

On the subject of Kimi, I think he's a similar type as James Hunt. Both are undoubtedly highly talented drivers, but keeping the focus/determination past their world championships has/was been difficult. Ayrton Senna had immense drive and determination to push his limits in every way, and continued to do so even after winning 3 titles. This type of drive is perhaps what Lewis is aiming for when he says he needs to win by more. To be content in any top level sport is an easy way of being surpassed by others. The greats of any sport are rarely if ever just naturally talented, they would all train as hard or harder than their opponents/team mates.
 
I'm talking solely about the topic of Hamilton.

Almost every time I look at a GP thread on here where LH doesn't win all I see is 'oh but Hamilton would have xxx if xxx didn't happen' or the equivalent. It's just dull, the problem isn't just confined to this forum though, Crofty on Sky going crazy every time Hamilton overtakes a much slower car and proclaiming it to be a fantastic overtake is equally boring.

That seems to be anti-Hamilton in the final sentence... aren't you doing the same thing in reverse to double-wrong a right?

On-topic; Nico Rosberg believes his greater consistency is crucial to his hopes of beating Mercedes team-mate Lewis Hamilton to the world championship.

I don't have a favourite driver, I love the sport more (none of the current drivers were in the sport when I fell in love with it and they surely won't be there when I'm still watching)... but I think Rosberg has to be careful.

His points lead is based on Hamilton's bad luck with reliability in some case. One has to be careful not to crow about luck and one has to be especially careful not to imply that a lucky lead is based on one's own talent. It's a bit like Maldonado, it goes around, it spins around. Or something.

I don't know which is the better out of Hamilton/Rosberg, I like them equally.
 
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