2014 Round 2 - Nissan 370Z @ Apricot Hill Raceway *GTP Leaderboard*

[hognhominy]

I think those people suggesting a 1'33 is possible are a bit crazy I reckon we could see a 1'34.3 by the end of this though.

Impossible for 1:33.1xx going by replay I watched.
I personally think it will be a struggle to get into 1:33's. Probably fastest will be a couple tenths or so around 1:34.5XX.

I don't think a 1:33 will happen, the better drivers probably already have an idea of their limits. I'm guessing a low 34 will be #1 by the end of the 2 weeks.

I highly doubt we'll improve that much. Even in last year's main qualifier, with a new, longer track and a trickier car to drive, the #1 time only improved by 1.2 seconds from the end of day 1.
I reckon at most, we might see a few aliens get into the 1:33's, if any.

Let me preface this with the fact that it will never be me, I am far too old, slow and physically broken to ever be competitive on the business side of the pit wall.

Barring lottery winnings and a rapid advancement in bionics, the culmination of my lifetime in professional motorsports will consist of sweeping floors and dismounting used slicks for a D level circle track team that is now defunct.

Using the information I had at the time; early replays, advances from early times in Rd1, comparative splits from AHR during practice and qualifying from a PURE SGT preseason race, my best guess was that 1:32's could be possible.

I still think within the constraints of the challenge, mid to low 1:33's are mathematically possible even if it is not humanly possible. I would be a fool not to admit that I was wrong and that low to mid 1:34's are going to be final P1 times for this challenge.

Isn't the point of motorsports, in general, the relentless pursuit of wildly unrealistic goals?

 

[srmellott]

Hey PD get your cones off my track!! Last chicane is brutal for me, must've hit that cone 10 or 15 times now. This event is fun though!!!

 

[MatheusBond]

I'm surprised I haven't dropped off the top 1000 yet! People seem to be having more of a hard time on this round.

 

[Holty]

GTP_Holty: 1:35.473

Threw away some .2's but getting there. Need some proper pedals.. too heavy footed for the DFGT's to be applying an 1/8 brake input!

 

[Skaankypuppy]

There is something funny about entering the pits going backwards

 

[Tidgney]

Slight improvement with a 1:34.941 got a .955 after to haha! Was surprised as I'm really tired today, although a good cup of tea helped me with this go ! There's lots of time there though and completely nailed the chicane on both those laps! Dans sector 1 is stunning by the way, I've not even been in the low .3xxs and he's in the .2xxs!

1:34.941 GTP_Tidgney GTP_Tidgney

 

[CRANK_U1]

Been following your ghost @Doodle and got a 1:35:072 Really helps when you load a top 10 replay.
I'm just behind you going into that dreaded chicane and then you just shoot off lol.

 

[Doodle]

Been following your ghost @Doodle and got a 1:35:072 Really helps when you load a top 10 replay.
I'm just behind you going into that dreaded chicane and then you just shoot off lol.

It was the only time I've gotten it right.

 

[gm matthew]

1:35.259 gm matthew GTP_gmmatthew

Even though I've improved, I was hoping for a lot more given the three hours effort I've put in so far today (at least a 1:35.1xx), but it's just not happening.

Maybe I'm letting my ego get the better of me; even though I'm not doing as well as I want to, I'm still in the top 100 worldwide.

In any event, it'd probably do me some good to take a break from this combo.

 

[DBY___86]

Hey fellow iRacer, this is Curtis Fung
How are you finding the transition between the 2?

Quite difficult actually Curtis. I find you have to really chuck it into the corners as it never oversteers unless you're brutal on the throttle. I haven't given this round much time with S2 starting in iRacing but i am gradually getting quicker the longer I spend on it. How are you dealing with GT?

 

[nowcontrol]

1:36.580 nowcontrol nowcontrol

Hopefully I can improve on that by another second or more, we'll see.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

@GTP_CargoRatt , it's not a matter of elite or noobs, any opinion is respectable, I was thinking like you but I changed my mind.

For sure the use of the handbrake is unrealistic in GT6, as unrealistic as the tire behaviour, ABS, no ABS, active steering, SRF and a lot of other things in this game, if you use the handbrake in GT6 that won't deteriorate nor improve your skills in real life.

Do you want realism? Practicing in a real track makes the trick.

If a player achieves to go to the race camp and doesn't have real life experience in a track, his chances to succeed are near zero, the use of the handbrake in game becomes irrelevant, use whatever you want or needed for your purposes.

The whole thing of GT Academy is pure marketing and a great opportunity to become a real racer, where there are half truths in the process, the use of a dualshock (seen in GT Academy advertisements) likely won't lead you to a national final, and if that's the case you won't succeed there, because steering wheel is mandatory for the presential tests.

I'm beginning to ramble, better I stop here.

Duly noted and respect your opinion as you didn't come off as some elitist ass as some have. It however is still clear that I don't belong here voicing my opinions/views among the elite, so I will just quietly be on my way. Good luck Raman??, wish you well in the Academy bud.

@Tidgney That's pretty much what I was trying to say about the handbrake until I got chastised for my views on it. Nothing against you at all when I say this, but I guess it just depends on who you are when opinions are voiced. I have seen this same thing in other parts of the forums. I voice my opinion about something and I'm full of crap, but let another more popular/respected person says the same exact thing, and then suddenly it has great merit or is a great opinion. Anyway, good luck to you also in reaching your goals, I'm off back to my noob table.

 

[SBCDaniel]

1:36.985, ds3 sensibility 2, auto trans abs 1. A lot of speed left

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

I must admit I'm personally against the use of the handbrake (As I've mentioned in the past), and I have nothing against those that do either. My opinion is that if you are using it to gain a big advantage then to me if you get rank 1 and rank 2 hasn't used it then the better lap in my eyes is the rank 2. I also think if it gets a substantial advantage it should be banned. However if there's no advantage and your using it for technique or consistency then it doesn't bother me that much, last years final round at Luffield was a good example when some were using it mid corner others weren't either way was equal, in that situation it's all fair.

I personally don't like to use it because I feel that if I can control the car with the pedals and steering in a way I like, or I feel is just as fast then I think it helps me more in real life. Yes, things are a little extreme in GT6, but it still doesn't mean you have to abuse these to get the fastest times! In fact you could develop your smoother pedal or steering control, or adapt to what you have, like in real life.

Whatever driving style you like to use, you should generally use or drive how you like to drive! But you should have self improvement in your mind over any rank 1 cause!

Do enjoy GT Academy though however you can, it's a good competition!

As long as its banned for the national finals I don't care I think the use of chase view etc is a far bigger issue than tapping a bit of rear brake. Personally I think the national finals should only use cockpit view as IRL

 

[Arveena]

1:35:852 working on consistency. Sector 3 is still a mess

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Just watched a few of the top 10 replays and see people using the handbrake again.

To me the handbrake is not the problem. It's the tires. I know most around here seem to think these comforts are somehow the pinnacle of realism. But to me, it's the tires that enables the drifting and e-braking. If this car was on the SS or RH tires it probably should be, I think the e-braking would be slower than taking it properly.

Just my opinion, one that I'm sure is about to get shredded. But oh well.

 

[tam38gti]

Leaderboard entry;


1.37.713 - tam38gti - tam38gti

I'm struggling badly, resorted to TC set at 5, ABS1, using DS3.


I'll obviously try and improve that but I'm about two hours deep in this already. All tips gratefully recieved.

*edit - new time, getting better slowly*

 

[Gwenbors]

Definitely took a long time. Unfortunately throttle and steering touch is not super great with a regular controller. A huge advantage for the full-rig players on this one... Eeked by with a 1:37.9something, but it took much longer than it should have...

 

[z06fun]

You guys won't like to hear this but I use the ebrake quite often when competing in real life. Now I don't use it to lock the rear wheels mind you, but rather to add some additonal rear brake bias at times. It can tuck the front end in nicely in a understeer situation. Keep in mind also that the classes I race in, I can not alter the car's brake bias, so you have to use what's availble to you as a driver. Its not something for inexperienced people, you want to practice a lot in an empty lot first I have a whole lot of real life time in, 15+ years at this point. For me, it actually works even better in real life compared to GT6 because a real ebrake is not an on/off switch, but actually nicely pressure sensitive just like the brake pedal.

 

[Wardez]

Sometimes I forget to set the handbrake when I park.

 

[RedPartyhat]

I always use my handbrake if I park on an incline.

 

[Jump_Ace]

You guys won't like to hear this but I use the ebrake quite often when competing in real life. Now I don't use it to lock the rear wheels mind you, but rather to add some additonal rear brake bias at times. It can tuck the front end in nicely in a understeer situation. Keep in mind also that the classes I race in, I can not alter the car's brake bias, so you have to use what's availble to you as a driver. Its not something for inexperienced people, you want to practice a lot in an empty lot first I have a whole lot of real life time in, 15+ years at this point. For me, it actually works even better in real life compared to GT6 because a real ebrake is not an on/off switch, but actually nicely pressure sensitive just like the brake pedal.

I wish the ebrake was pressure sensitive in GT6, but then everyone would use it and we'd be like, 'you don't use the ebrake? It's soo much faster n00b!'

Jerome

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The handbrake can be only used with ABS-1.
ABS-OFF with handbrake and you will spin off immediately,This is what happened to me yesterday.

Do you use clutch when tapping the handbrake with ABS OFF ?

ABS OFF = as realistic you can get with proper brake balance setup, but even with the locked 5/5, it's not the same as in GT5, the brakes now behave differently, the bias is still at the front for 370Z. I easily got gold while "sunday" driving ( just relaxing smooth clean pace )

 

[nowcontrol]

a real ebrake is not an on/off switch, but actually nicely pressure sensitive just like the brake pedal.

I wish the ebrake was pressure sensitive in GT6

It kind of is a little bit [works for me anyway] if you map it to a trigger rather than a button. I have it mapped to R2 and can seemingly apply varied [small] amounts of pressure to achieve the desired angle of rotation without having an instant lock up of the wheels.

 

[Jump_Ace]

1:35.700, I think 24th in the US if I counted right?

There's a full tenth in there, I'm struggling to get consistent near my full speed yet. I wish this combo was the final one for all the marbles. I've never been so close behind the fasty fasts before.


Jerome

 

[TRL_Importlife]

New time 1:35.354
Ranked 3rd in US
Gtpimportlife

 

[super_gt]

Do you use clutch when tapping the handbrake with ABS OFF ?

ABS OFF = as realistic you can get with proper brake balance setup, but even with the locked 5/5, it's not the same as in GT5, the brakes now behave differently, the bias is still at the front for 370Z. I easily got gold while "sunday" driving ( just relaxing smooth clean pace )

My steering wheel is Logitech DFGT
It took me a few laps for gold but this car it's not very fun to drive for me(I wish Nissan to have MR car)

 

[fastboysmith]

New time 1:35.354
Ranked 3rd in US
Gtpimportlife

That time gets yoy 3rd in the US but that time will only get you like 10th in AUS. Where have all these people come from

 

[CRANK_U1]

2 tenths behind TRL IMMORTAL going into that chicane and yet again i messed it up There's always one corner on every track that i just seem to struggle with.
I hope Tidgney's tut will help me out with it when he posts it.

edit: 1:35:037 now
edit two: 1:35:009

 

[Pezzarinho17]

1:37.841, very scrappy lap just to get the gold in the 30 minutes or so I had. Using a DS3 at the moment.