2015 F1 Mechanics/Aero; Design predictions to win the WCC/WDC. READ FIRST POST

[NOVOCAINE]

Really...clearly you don't know yet again. At this point and not to be rude, I really wish you'd just stop while you're still slightly ahead...http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118955

You're not getting at all what I'm saying, and I'd wish you'd take the time at this point to either A. look up what the CVC is and how it is key to the conversation at hand among other things, or B. Ask one of us.

You know what? I think I've held my tongue for long enough. I hoped by now you'd have cut the rudeness out but the way you're speaking to me, anyone'd think I just chucked your grandma off a cliff. Was I rude to you? No! Did I insult you? No! Just because I'm admittedly not as smart as you are it doesn't mean you have the right to speak to me as if I'm some kind of degenerate...

Now if you still feel like it please go ahead and explain to me what the CVC is!

I shared three, 2 of which are with in the last year and the other to show you how easily debunked info graphics can get when they rely on F1money which is essentially and FOM publication. And the FOM doesn't like to candidly share money matters in full honesty. So a biased publication being sourced by a business website tells us something but leaves us in the dark as much as the speculation stories we mainly post. Point is that last article was to show how things can be debunked and using one source as the end all isn't the way.

I was only referring to one of the links you shared when I said it was outdated, and quite frankly on this occasion I don't see how you could have thought otherwise.

@NOVOCAINE, I'm not sure what your point is?

You asked me why I seemingly thought that producing an engine would cost as much as running a team for twenty races would. And my point was that I never thought it did.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You know what? I think I've held my tongue for long enough. I hoped by now you'd have cut the rudeness out but the way you're speaking to me, anyone'd think I just chucked your grandma off a cliff. Was I rude to you? No! Did I insult you? No! Just because I'm admittedly not as smart as you are it doesn't mean you have the right to speak to me as if I'm some kind of degenerate...

Now if you still feel like it please go ahead and explain to me what the CVC is!

Actually I'm not belittling your intelligence at all or trying to do so, and I actually (as seen through my posts) have gone out of my way to make this clear, that I'm not mad at your or trying to hurt your feelings or be rude. But in the essence of time and space why not just instead of post a wall of text that has to be corrected...not just ask. That's all. The fact your giving my post an ominous tone is a shame, especially after I just said I'm not trying to put you down or be rude.

I was only referring to one of the links you shared when I said it was outdated, and quite frankly on this occasion I don't see how you could have thought otherwise.

I explained why I used that, the date is irrelevant.


Also I guess you read the rest of the post, if not there is a drop down on that post.

 

[NOVOCAINE]

Actually I'm not belittling your intelligence at all or trying to do so, and I actually (as seen through my posts) have gone out of my way to make this clear, that I'm not mad at your or trying to hurt your feelings or be rude. But in the essence of time and space why not just instead of post a wall of text that has to be corrected...not just ask. That's all. The fact your giving my post an ominous tone is a shame, especially after I just said I'm not trying to put you down or be rude.

Well I'm afraid to say you've been coming across as extremely angry, hostile, and sarcastic this entire time.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well I'm afraid to say you've been coming across as extremely angry, hostile, and sarcastic this entire time.

...As I said if I wanted to be sarcastic I'd make it quite clear. As for the other tones you yourself have conveyed in my posts despite me making it clear before you respond, not sure what else I can say. I'm blunt and to the point because in reality there really isn't a reason a conversation on why one of us is annoyed with Renault and why one of us isn't should go on for two days and more than probably a thousand words exchanged by both of us in doing so.

 

[NOVOCAINE]

...As I said if I wanted to be sarcastic I'd make it quite clear. As for the other tones you yourself have conveyed in my posts despite me making it clear before you respond, not sure what else I can say. I'm blunt and to the point because in reality there really isn't a reason a conversation on why one of us is annoyed with Renault and why one of us isn't should go on for two days and more than probably a thousand words exchanged by both of us in doing so.

To cut it short my previous opinion that it wasn't beneficial for Renault was way off. I'm aware of that now. However I'm still a tad annoyed with them. And the reasoning is tradition. Call me a purist but it really ticks me off when any car manufacturer comes and goes as they please, just for the marketing benefits. Although I'm well aware they can do what they wish.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

To cut it short my previous opinion that it wasn't beneficial for Renault was way off. I'm aware of that now. However I'm still a tad annoyed with them. And the reasoning is tradition. Call me a purist but it really ticks me off when any car manufacturer comes and goes as they please, just for the marketing benefits. Although I'm well aware they can do what they wish.

Then you should hate every team that isn't Ferrari and even then you've got to hate them too cause all of these guys are doing it for marketing. If they were purely about the racing they'd be seen in other top tier categories as well.

 

[NOVOCAINE]

Then you should hate every team that isn't Ferrari and even then you've got to hate them too cause all of these guys are doing it for marketing. If they were purely about the racing they'd be seen in other top tier categories as well.

Can't say I agree to be honest but anyhow that's not a discussion for this thread.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Can't say I agree to be honest but anyhow that's not a discussion for this thread.

That's fine. That's more personal opinion of mine and certain team bosses on the Grid, that every group is there to market and make money from it. My point is Ferrari has the most to gain from being there as the table from Autosport showed.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Renault have announced that they are to stop supplying engines to other teams once their contractual supply obligations end. Ghosn confirmed that Lotus negotiations are ongoing but added that Renault could still walk away from F1.

 

[GTPorsche]

Isn't Renault also dropping their support of the World Series by Renault next year?

Seems like they're going all in or nothing at all in terms of F1.

 

[IforceV8]

Isn't Renault also dropping their support of the World Series by Renault next year?

Seems like they're going all in or nothing at all in terms of F1.

Only the 3.5 series. The WSR Eurocup 2.0 and Sport Trophy series will run with the ELMS in 2016.

 

[Liquid]

Speaking of Enstone, they're in the dock over an unpaid tax bill of £900,000 and have seven days to settle.

Link

 

[TenEightyOne]

Speaking of Enstone, they're in the dock over an unpaid tax bill of £900,000 and have seven days to settle.

Link

They've successfully convinced the judge that there's a very realistic prospect of a deal being signed within the next 7 days. That'll bring Renault's offer down...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So here is the b-spec Sauber basically.

 

[IforceV8]

I'm not sure I trust a grown man who wears skinny jeans but http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34297046

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Conversely, Jonathan Noble reckons it won't happen - that Volkswagen would need three years to get an engine up to a competitive standard, and that in the meantime, Red Bull would be racing (and possibly succeeding) with someone else's engine, so they get all the credit while VAG get all the bills. And apparently the VAG board underwent a reshuffle recently, so their new stategy remains to be seen.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Eddie Jordan though has been known to be right many times, but from a technical aspect I have to agree with @prisonermonkeys. Simply because it seems to be the correct perspective seen from Honda, a year building and designing the engine, then racing said engine and dealing with the gremlins that come out from actual use in the real world, and then getting a fine tuned product by year 3 or 4. Which is the route Honda currently is on and probably VW as well.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The only way for it to be plausible is for VAG to rebadge an existing engine under a third-party name. But it would only work if they either restructure the team to compartmentalise the engine department so that the supplier is confident that their secrets aren't being pilfered, or enter into a technical partnership as share details of their own development with the supplier.

 

[IforceV8]

VAG group suddenly has a much more expensive problem than paying Horner to be a jerk-off. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...l-vehicles-violated-emissions-rules/72401296/

Potential for $18 Billion in fines and the U.S. Justice Dept. opening a investigation is going to take a big bite out of their stock price, and leave little petty cash laying around to support a fizzy drink companies racing fetish.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Motorsport-Total is suggesting that VAG could enter under the Audi banner using a modified WEC engine. It would need changes to the regulations, but Bernie would probably be on-side.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Motorsport-Total is suggesting that VAG could enter under the Audi banner using a modified WEC engine. It would need changes to the regulations, but Bernie would probably be on-side.

There used to be a perception that German cars were well-built and reliable, that's no longer the case - they're the least reliable that you can buy. At the moment I just don't see VAG taking the F1 risk, particularly after what's happening to Renault. They've got enough problems already.

EDIT: I may have to stand corrected. As much of a clown as Eddie Jordan appears he's very often right in his predictions; he's close to the heart of F1. He reckons that VW are very close to completing a takeover of Red Bull Racing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There used to be a perception that German cars were well-built and reliable, that's no longer the case - they're the least reliable that you can buy. At the moment I just don't see VAG taking the F1 risk, particularly after what's happening to Renault. They've got enough problems already.

EDIT: I may have to stand corrected. As much of a clown as Eddie Jordan appears he's very often right in his predictions; he's close to the heart of F1. He reckons that VW are very close to completing a takeover of Red Bull Racing.

Iforce posted that link up above

 

[TenEightyOne]

Iforce posted that link up above

Ah, I only saw the emissions link

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ah, I only saw the emissions link

Ah, yeah it was the one right under my posting of the B-spec Sauber

 

[prisonermonkeys]

James Allen on the engine scenario:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/...cenes-in-f1-with-red-bull-renault-and-vwaudi/

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

James Allen on the engine scenario:

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/...cenes-in-f1-with-red-bull-renault-and-vwaudi/

I think the things that were quite telling more so was the fact that Mercedes have hinted they'll help Renault in F1...that's strange and if so would make those of us (me included) wrong about the sport being so cut throat after the Merc and RBR deal falling through. However, Mercedes also look a bit perplexing as to why they didn't just help RBR. I get the fact that RBR sided with a group Mercedes didn't but still...

But if they do help Renault because of a smaller tech deal they have, I feel it would be more to just spite RBR than anything.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I think the things that were quite telling more so was the fact that Mercedes have hinted they'll help Renault in F1...that's strange

Is it? They have a lot to gain from aiding Renault - like distracting Ferrari. Renault will catch Ferrari before either of them catch Mercedes, and if they're fighting one another, they won't be fighting Mercedes.

However, Mercedes also look a bit perplexing as to why they didn't just help RBR.

I think Allen was spot on with that point: it's too big a risk for Mercedes to have Red Bull using their engines and possibly upstaging them. Again, it's now Ferrari's problem; they may not like it, but they might have to bite the bullet for the good of the sport.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Is it? They have a lot to gain from aiding Renault - like distracting Ferrari. Renault will catch Ferrari before either of them catch Mercedes, and if they're fighting one another, they won't be fighting Mercedes.

This is true and makes sense.

I think Allen was spot on with that point: it's too big a risk for Mercedes to have Red Bull using their engines and possibly upstaging them. Again, it's now Ferrari's problem; they may not like it, but they might have to bite the bullet for the good of the sport.

I still agree with this when I said it as well a couple pages back, but you know as well as I do that RBR wont see it that way.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I still agree with this when I said it as well a couple pages back, but you know as well as I do that RBR wont see it that way.

They might not like it, but they're going to have to deal with it - they chose to terminate the Renault contract. They might want Mercedes engines, but Mercedes have the right to choose who they supply to, and they have decided not to supply Red Bull. Red Bull can hardly hold the sport hostage because they're not getting their way. Losing Red Bull (and, I assume, Toro Rosso) might be bad for the sport, but it's better than giving in because they threw their toys out of the pram.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They might not like it, but they're going to have to deal with it - they chose to terminate the Renault contract. They might want Mercedes engines, but Mercedes have the right to choose who they supply to, and they have decided not to supply Red Bull. Red Bull can hardly hold the sport hostage because they're not getting their way. Losing Red Bull (and, I assume, Toro Rosso) might be bad for the sport, but it's better than giving in because they threw their toys out of the pram.

Agreed.

And on that note more bans on Wind tunnels and CFD!!!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120865

also more on the Sauber upgrades
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120815