2015 F1 Mechanics/Aero; Design predictions to win the WCC/WDC. READ FIRST POST

[catamount39]

Either that or some how RBR have found a team that will build an engine for them...but that really makes little sense. And I doubt Ferrari would want to give a power unit to them as well after they see Mercedes refuse. I mean Ferrari have a b-team now, they have no need for RBR to run their engines. And Sauber will never really be a threat to them. So yeah...I have a feeling RBR is screwed.

Yeah, even though motorsport.com said that Ferrari is open to supplying them with engines, I don't think that'll happen. It's either going to be Honda or...uh...um....................................................derp?

 

[GTPorsche]

motorsport.com also claims that Romain Grosjean will be going to Haas.

I think that basically shows how much stake you can put in that.

 

[catamount39]

motorsport.com also claims that Romain Grosjean will be going to Haas.

I think that basically shows how much stake you can put in that.

That's why I said I think not lol.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Yeah, even though motorsport.com said that Ferrari is open to supplying them with engines, I don't think that'll happen. It's either going to be Honda or...uh...um....................................................derp?

Why not? Ferrari have won at Monza in an STR (Red Bull B-Team), the link already exists. That said, STR weren't likely to challenge many races and that was as much Vettel's win as the team's.

Arrivabene may give the Ferrari board the confidence that he's got the works team to the point where they can beat Red Bull even if they're carrying the Ferrari customer engine...

 

[GTPorsche]

I don't see Honda expanding their engine coverage to other teams, so Red Bull either gets Ferrari engines or somehow manages to build their own, of which there's practically no time to get one developed and ready for next year.

 

[Peasantslayer]

RB must have had something agreed with Ferrari for a while, if they haven't they are in a really awkward position.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

RB must have had something agreed with Ferrari for a while, if they haven't they are in a really awkward position.

Nobody anywhere so far shows or says anything about RBR approaching Ferrari. More so many believe Ferrari were never approached because they seemed to have banked on Merc supplying, or RBR just posturing with Renault.

 

[GTPorsche]

There was just the confirmation of the rumor of RBR issuing a notice to Renault of no longer wanting to use their engines, and there was some rumoring that RBR and STR had a potential engine supply deal in place with Ferrari.

Thing is, Ferrari has Haas and Sauber. I don't think they'd be particularly interested in having RBR as a customer as well.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Speed Cafe are reporting that Ferrari, well Arrivabene, would be open to RBR using their power units. Aside from that, no mention of talks between both parties.

 

[GTPorsche]

He'd have to be fairly confident that Ferrari will outperform RBR if so.

 

[catamount39]

He'd have to be fairly confident that Ferrari will outperform RBR if so.

Well with Vettel in the car and that chassis looking as good as it is against the Merc's even though the Ferrari engine isn't exactly as good as the Merc' engine than must count for something right? Though at the same time we haven't seen the true potential of either the STR or RBR chassis because the Renault engine is almost as bad as the Honda sometimes it seems.

 

[GTPorsche]

Even with RBR not fully employing Newey on their designs, he's still consulting. That team with a top engine would be right back at the front of the field and potentially better than whichever engine supplier's top team.

 

[catamount39]

Even with RBR not fully employing Newey on their designs, he's still consulting. That team with a top engine would be right back at the front of the field and potentially better than whichever engine supplier's top team.

True, Red Bull are the masters with car building. Hmm...it's hard to think who would want to supply them with engines. Ferrari would have to have unbelievable confidence in next year's car to give Red Bull their engines.

Only other option would be Honda...and Red bull aren't stupid enough to downgrade further from Renault lol.

 

[GTPorsche]

The problem with the Honda unit in the McLaren is the electrics that are connected to it and not actually down to the ICE itself. If the electrics were functioning properly, that engine might actually be decently competitive with a good chassis.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There was just the confirmation of the rumor of RBR issuing a notice to Renault of no longer wanting to use their engines, and there was some rumoring that RBR and STR had a potential engine supply deal in place with Ferrari.

Thing is, Ferrari has Haas and Sauber. I don't think they'd be particularly interested in having RBR as a customer as well.

That's the point, I think RBR have shot themselves in the foot, and on top of that Ferrari can't supply to the many teams anyways. So most likely if someone got a Ferrari engine it'd be RBR, but if we take into account the threat of RBR with a good power unit, then STR seems like the safer deal. Ferrari nor Mercedes need to have the global branding of Red Bull to promote their products to be honest, which seems to be the only positive to giving them engines.

And to be honest if Red Bull don't get a deal, that's fine their fault for acting like children and not trying to find a way to make sure things get better. Cutting ties with the group that made half of what they are...isn't the way to do it, but it's their call not ours.

Well with Vettel in the car and that chassis looking as good as it is against the Merc's even though the Ferrari engine isn't exactly as good as the Merc' engine than must count for something right? Though at the same time we haven't seen the true potential of either the STR or RBR chassis because the Renault engine is almost as bad as the Honda sometimes it seems.

The car doesn't look extremely good though against the Mercedes, it's more of can we leap frog in pit strategy, or can we run to the maximum enough to beat Mercedes in Quali. So far the only time they beat a merc in quali is when it's on an ICE that's run nearly 4k and robbed of power. All other things are down to Mercedes being complacent and arrogant and thus giving Ferrari a window of opportunity. The Ferrari still has some distance to close. I feel 2017 will be the best time for anyone to beat Mercedes.

 

[Liquid]

Either way, if Red Bull do abandon their Renault deal they'll get less-than-preferential treatment if they manage to secure Mercedes-Benz or Ferrari engines. Unless they can wrestle a works Honda deal from under McLaren's noses but who would be foolish enough to do that?

Interesting times at the rumour mill if the Renault break up is true.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Either way, if Red Bull do abandon their Renault deal they'll get less-than-preferential treatment if they manage to secure Mercedes-Benz or Ferrari engines. Unless they can wrestle a works Honda deal from under McLaren's noses but who would be foolish enough to do that?

Who might be proud enough to consider the deal? Arai, perhaps?

Alternatively; Red Bull might take the view that a customer Ferrari deal is better than the potential from a works Renault deal...

 

[Liquid]

I'd actually be really glad to see Red Bull get secondary priority from their engine supplier. Ever since they became a front running team, and fair play to them for doing so, an air of superiority has enveloped their pit wall and people like Helmut Marko and Christian Horner are just such whiny bitches, always complaining when things don't go their way.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Horner thinks Mercedes' upgraded power unit is "frightening", he reckons they turned them down after Friday.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-says-new-mercedes-engine-frightening

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

And the owner of Red Bull as well @Liquid add him to the list. Dietrich

Horner thinks Mercedes' upgraded power unit is "frightening", he reckons they turned them after Friday.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/horner-says-new-mercedes-engine-frightening

It sounds like admiration or respect more than anything...you can't butter them up Horner they said no to the deal.

 

[IforceV8]

I heard this idea on Midweek motorsport tonight and it makes a lot of sense.

In 2016
1.Manor will switch to Mercedes which allows
2.Toro Rosso to switch back to Ferrari,and
3.Red Bull will be added to the Ferrari customer list
4.Renault will wait until Lotus goes belly-up and buy the remains cheap
5.Then they will then enter the Lotus team in 2016 with Mercedes power
6.This leaves 0 Renault cars on the grid for 2016 which means they will no longer be a engine supplier
7.That fact means that Renault can start over and design and test a new engine
8.Renault replaces Lotus in name in 2017 and switches from Mercedes to the all new Renault engine.

 

[GTPorsche]

Mercedes wouldn't allow that. There's no way.

Edit: I don't even think the FIA/FOM would allow that either.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I heard this idea on Midweek motorsport tonight and it makes a lot of sense.

In 2016
1.Manor will switch to Mercedes which allows
2.Toro Rosso to switch back to Ferrari,and
3.Red Bull will be added to the Ferrari customer list
4.Renault will wait until Lotus goes belly-up and buy the remains cheap
5.Then they will then enter the Lotus team in 2016 with Mercedes power
6.This leaves 0 Renault cars on the grid for 2016 which means they will no longer be a engine supplier
7.That fact means that Renault can start over and design and test a new engine
8.Renault replaces Lotus in name in 2017 and switches from Mercedes to the all new Renault engine.

Eh the premise/theory sounds good, but I feel FIA will say that their V6 engine was already built. Since they're technically in an engine freeze.

 

[IforceV8]

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/...al-breaker-over-bonus-for-past-championships/

Looks like Renault are more than willing to take their ball and go home.

 

[catamount39]

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/...al-breaker-over-bonus-for-past-championships/

Looks like Renault are more than willing to take their ball and go home.

...well there goes the neighborhood...kinda...maybe...not really...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

...well there goes the neighborhood...kinda...maybe...not really...

How is it not? Renault leaving would just prove that F1 even with the new engine program can't retain teams and possibly manufactures. Have basically 2 engine manufactures ( can't really count honda supplying 1 team) and half another...the sport takes a massive hit. The winner at the end of the day may be the cheaper yet just as technological WEC

 

[GTPorsche]

Renault was the main force behind the new engine regs. Them bailing after 2 years doesn't look good.

 

[NOVOCAINE]

Is anyone else more than a little 🤬 off with Renault in Formula One? They've done this how many times in the past two decades?

 

[catamount39]

Does this mean we get to go back to V8's or rev these V6T's to 18,000 and spit flame? xD





*don't take this really seriously...though cranking up the RPM would be nice*

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Is anyone else more than a little 🤬 off with Renault in Formula One? They've done this how many times in the past two decades?

Done what?

Does this mean we get to go back to V8's or rev these V6T's to 18,000 and spit flame? xD





*don't take this really seriously...though cranking up the RPM would be nice*

Had nothing to do with Renault, Mercedes also didn't want V8s and said they would have left if they stayed. It has everything to do with the FIA and their restrictions and making things more eco friendly.

Renault have been in the sport with as much if not more consistency than Mercedes even since the early 80s with no signs until now of leaving. The business model has changed, the sport gets ever more expensive what are Renault to do, just deal with it and not try to get something out of it?

Not to be mean but it seems some of you don't research or keep up with this at all and just say something to see if it sticks. Or you basically rely on our info.