2015 Fantasy/Prediction Formula 1: The Finale

sems4arsenal
Josh a stupid question but are cp points lost when choosing same teams as week before as well?
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Only if you did the same two constructors. So if you pick Ferrari and Ferrari at the British GP and then the next GP (Hungry) you picked a Single Ferrari, it still means you have to use a CP to do so. It'd be like picking Kimi and Sebastian and then picking either one at the next GP, to do so would still require the use of a CP.

Also the Belgian GP is done, for those who are curious and have seen these new posts. I'm just building up some suspense before I do post them. As for the pick form, it too will be up when I post the latest results.
 
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Winner(s) of the 2015 Belgian GP
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The winner(s) of the Belgian GP is @sems4arsenal making this the second round he's won this season and matching @ROAD_DOGG33J. With 8 races to go there is still plenty of time to rack up GP wins. This win helps sems close the gap to first, with only 9 points between 1st place @tbwhhs and sems in 3rd. However, @Barra333 has further closed on tbw with only 4 points between them. Thus Monza may provide the first new leader since @tbwhhs took the lead back in Bahrain.

@DK and @sems4arsenal have won the WCC portion as well with DK now having 9 cp to his tally and the ability to easily move up the ladder in these final 8 race, he'll be someone to watch for. He also gains his 3 GP round win, and becomes a potential challenger for most wins trophy in WCC. This also marks Sems first 1 in the WCC portion with only one player not having a win so far this season.

Ironically enough as Sems4 matches Road he also over takes him in the points overall in WCC as well, however those from @Spacegoat on back still have a tall order if they plan to catch the two front runners.

The new pick form is up I had noticed that @DK made the first pick but something went a bit weird and it went to the Belgian GP spreadsheet, so please resubmit your pick as it was. I've also provide a couple of questions on improving the WCC portion so if we do this again next year it will be more interactive and interesting.

The Pick for is live.
 

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So let me explain the new idea/concept for the WCC that I'd like to partake in going toward next year. This is a rough model so clearly not what I fully want but something to start from that we as a playing group can adapt and bring more life to and not have something so similar to the WDC side of things. The point is to offer you guys more fun and prizes and not just say a premium membership.

So the first question posed, exclusive teams. What would happen is that you at the start of the season would pick say four or five teams to follow (dependent on those who join). You would then each GP do your pick form and give 4 cars from the pool of 8 or 10. This way you can switch out cars and run a lower risk of having to waste cp unless you really want to. Another facet would be trading with other players. Say Lotus is doing slightly better than Williams during the European leg of the season and you figure that Lotus can keep this form all the way to Singapore from Monaco, you just request to trade with a fellow competitor.

Now the cap, to do this a more fashionable way that doesn't see everyone pick teams, a budget is given and you pick out with in respect to that budget the teams you want. And go forward. The other question I was thinking of giving was if you'd also be fine with selecting a single engine manufacture to follow and get additional points based on their overall GP performance. So if Mercedes was your engine and they finished 1 and 5 as the highest two spots you'd get them. This is to just make a more authentic fantasy element but also make it seem like you guys are your own constructors competing by following the series.

Mock up:

Player Alpha, budget 100 million; picks: Mercedes Petronas (50 mil), Force India (20 mil), Sauber (5 mil), STR (10 mil), Renault engines (10 mil). 95 mil Tot.

Constructor Car 1:Mercedes AMG Petronas
Constructor Car 2:Force India
Constructor Car 3:Force India
Constructor Car 4:Scuderia Toro Rosso
 
That sounds to me like a fantasy F1, whereas most of us who signed up for this just wanted to pick the race order each fortnight(ish).
Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, it is just a different concept to a pick 'em type thing. My suggestion would be to have the old style pick the top 5 drivers, similar to what it always was as one game, and have your idea (which is reasonably similar to what is spluttering along in another thread here since the OP abandoned it ) as a separate game with it's own thread.

TL;DR - nothing wrong with your ideas, I just think there are 2 separate games here.
 
Barra333
That sounds to me like a fantasy F1, whereas most of us who signed up for this just wanted to pick the race order each fortnight(ish).
Not saying that there is anything wrong with it, it is just a different concept to a pick 'em type thing. My suggestion would be to have the old style pick the top 5 drivers, similar to what it always was as one game, and have your idea (which is reasonably similar to what is spluttering along in another thread here since the OP abandoned it ) as a separate game with it's own thread.

TL;DR - nothing wrong with your ideas, I just think there are 2 separate games here.
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Well the WCC is a major aspect of the F1 world as is, and Justin's final iteration right or wrong was going to be in this similar matter. Meaning he'd have both WDC and WCC being apart of the game and not just the simple WDC. Maybe insight from @Northstar would help give a better clue on ways the two could be meshed as a single game? And thank you for informing me about the other game since I hadn't heard about it.

Point is you raised a valid point the other day Barra, when you said that this F1 season only has flashes of excitement for the pile of dung it is. And when that happens these type of games become an exercise more so than a collective of fans or online friends having a fun time trying to out compete one another. I want to see the same fun again with each GP weekend, even if the track side stuff is boring.
 
I'm not denying that the WCC is a major part of F1, it is just that I would like to see a bare bones pick the driver league, just as the WDC part of this year is.
As a separate entity, I think assigning values to the constructors and picking similarly to your example is also a good idea, even if it does include a driver aspect as well.

These are just my opinions, and you, and everyone else playing is welcome to disagree with them. Also remember that despite your best efforts and good ideas, if the on track action is rubbish, I think there is next to nothing you can do to generate interest in this. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Just look at the race discussion threads this year as an example. For starters, when I first joined, there was competition to get the thread up each Tuesday, to the point of splitting hairs on timezones. This year, I think we have made it to Thursday without a thread on occasions. The number of posts (post race controversy aside) per thread has also taken a dive, not through the fault of anyone here.
 
Barra333
I'm not denying that the WCC is a major part of F1, it is just that I would like to see a bare bones pick the driver league, just as the WDC part of this year is.
As a separate entity, I think assigning values to the constructors and picking similarly to your example is also a good idea, even if it does include a driver aspect as well.

These are just my opinions, and you, and everyone else playing is welcome to disagree with them. Also remember that despite your best efforts and good ideas, if the on track action is rubbish, I think there is next to nothing you can do to generate interest in this. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Just look at the race discussion threads this year as an example. For starters, when I first joined, there was competition to get the thread up each Tuesday, to the point of splitting hairs on timezones. This year, I think we have made it to Thursday without a thread on occasions. The number of posts (post race controversy aside) per thread has also taken a dive, not through the fault of anyone here.
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The problem I guess I'm not adequately explaining is...what incentive is their to you joining both games. And that's the issue, if it's tied in with the bare bones it's more likely you'll participate, especially since I've given everyone the option of not having to pick for the WCC but no one has asked to utilize it. So I imagine the WCC portion isn't that big of a deal to you guys and just another interactive game.

But when I read your post I agree, a secondary game would be probably best. The problem is as I've just specified though. I put a ton of work into this (even the bare bones WDC) and if it were to just not be used because people aren't willing or patient enough that is a loss to me. And why I rather keep it an entirely single entity.

And your right the lack of posting as promptly as has been seen in the past is no ones fault but just a boring season overall, but that's why I want to help try and make it more fun for you guys going forward if possible.

If @Spacegoat @sems4arsenal @TRGTspecialist @tbwhhs @aarror @ROAD_DOGG33J @DK could also post on this and get some insight that'd be great. For now if this is all we get I think working toward a WCC separation might be best, but wonder if it will be allowed by the Forum staff.
 
sems4arsenal
Because I have no life :(
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Oh...okay, well one I'm sorry about that. And two it actually helps me figure out how to make things better if you give a brief explanation. I'm glad you like what I put forth but your own personal spin on it would be highly appreciated.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Oh...okay, well one I'm sorry about that. And two it actually helps me figure out how to make things better if you give a brief explanation. I'm glad you like what I put forth but your own personal spin on it would be highly appreciated.
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Oh sure thing was just kidding, your idea I like because there is an element of strategy involved and seeing as F1 now you can guess safely which teams finish where so there isn't really any planning that goes in the WCC this year.

But with a budget and choosing multiple teams, there is more thought and planning that will go into this / 2 cents
 
sems4arsenal
Oh sure thing was just kidding, your idea I like because there is an element of strategy involved and seeing as F1 now you can guess safely which teams finish where so there isn't really any planning that goes in the WCC this year.

But with a budget and choosing multiple teams, there is more thought and planning that will go into this / 2 cents
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Yeah that's the goal, I mean I feel the bare bones concept we have right now has a fair bit of strategy too it, if it didn't we wouldn't have two players with such a gap over the others.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Yeah that's the goal, I mean I feel the bare bones concept we have right now has a fair bit of strategy too it, if it didn't we wouldn't have two players with such a gap over the others.
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It's letdown by the sport itself rather than the system, I love managing the CPs
 
Winner(s) of the 2015 Italian GP
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@LMSCorvetteGT2 is the winner of the Italian GP making it his second win of the season next to the Monaco GP. However, there were several players that scored the same this week and not far off that of the winning score, thus causing quite the shake up in the Championship. With @Barra333 finally taking over the lead that was held by @tbwhhs since Bahrain. But more importantly the gap between first to sixth is only 31 points, and with 7 races to go it is still any players championship to win.


The winner(s) this round are @DK, @tbwhhs and @sems4arsenal. Thus giving DK a fourth win and bringing him 1 win from TRGT. Whoever has the most wins in the WCC will be awarded the brand new Mercedes Petronas AMG trophy for most wins in a season and 5 CP to start with next season. This also marks the first win in either of the two championships for @tbwhhs and thus all players this season have one at least 1 round in the WCC.

In the WCC the championship remains the same with @TRGTspecialist leading still, but with the win for tbwhhs he has closed the gap to 3 points. And though the gap between them and the rest is large these players must still be careful because of many opponents behind with far more CP at their disposal to use and win and essentially replenish.

The Singapore GP results will be up later tonight.
 

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Winner(s) of the 2015 Singapore GP
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The winner of this round for the first time this season (great job) goes to @aarror, so before I get into I must say this has to be the most entertaining points rack up. I don't know if it's because I have a test later this week I should be studying for and the nerves of getting this done cutting into studying time is making me anxious/excited or what...

But this was a good one, I was doing the points tally and Aarror had a massive margin over everyone at that point (not to harp on you guys) and then when I got to the last few people it seemed like he might be beat, but ended on top due to early voting. And picking Bottas and Ricciardo when others didn't.

Anyways after my little blurb about that, let's get to the thick of other things. The points have had many changes on the WDC side, all but the top two have changed, and really the only thing to be said about the top two is @Barra333 gaining another 2 points over @TRGTspecialist both of which had a great weekend in the points (sadly for the others). And with aarror winning he jumps up to third not too far off the top two. The one thing that has to be said is that the guys who did good this week played a very smart game (not sure if planned or lucky but great stuff) using consecutive picks without actually wasting CP, due to those drivers or constructors not finishing in the previous round. Thus any one of them winning would have been more than just another win, but a win with no loss.

The winner(s) of the WCC portion are @aarror and @tbwhhs, this marks the second win for both players in the WCC and a back to back win for tbwhhs after his debut win in Italy.

For the WCC the championship goes unchanged but the pack chasing the top two gets slightly closer by a few points from last GP. The margin between first and second only separated by one point as tbwhhs seems to be rallying back from slight setbacks. Good job everyone and another great GP weekend with you lot.

Next GP I'll give my analysis on who I think will be to watch out for as we go into the last five rounds of the F1 season, also the new pick form is up with a fun little question you can answer freely upon.
 

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As much as I would like to take credit for thinking that out, it was mostly down to the fact that I had picked Massa and Hamilton in the last race and did not want to blow a CP on either of them here.
 
Barra333
As much as I would like to take credit for thinking that out, it was mostly down to the fact that I had picked Massa and Hamilton in the last race and did not want to blow a CP on either of them here.
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I can understand that, luckily those who did pick Hamilton this race don't lose a CP and at the same time get to pick him again next GP because he didn't finish (same with Massa). But lucky for you this round that you dodged that bullet, not so lucky for those chasing you.
 
You need a decent slice of luck to win these things. I probably need one or two more give how close it is.
 
Spacegoat
I don't think you'll have much trouble beating me in the WDC to be honest, I'm that far behind. :lol:
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Yeah what's up with that, you were having a strong first half and now I don't know what's going on. I usually worry most about you winning in Fantasy leagues.
 

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