2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion
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- xNEVER-ONEx
So Ford makes 2 sports cars in the same price range? Basically either Mustang's sales are going to get cannibalized, or the Capri wont sell enough to be worth creating a new platform for Ford. Either way, I don't see it happening. Like I said, only way you get a BRZFRZ fighter from ford is if the Mustang goes more up market, meaning starts at around $40+.
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10,000 people attempting to be the first to own a limited edition version of a car will absolutely translate to a consistent stream of buyers over the course of several years for a car that is only barely any less incompatible with the market than the one that just went off sale. Of course.
That 1964 Mustang with a new body.
That lardass mini Thunderbird thing they put Mustang badges on for some reason.
A slightly Americanized version of that. All of them were priced roughly the same, but it's notable that the Mercury was significantly smaller and significantly less powerful. The Mustang was also the worst selling one; and it'd be a hard case to prove that it was just because of the sales being cannibalized when Mustang sales had already dropped like a stone corresponding to each attempt to redesign it.
Now, for certain, the sports car market is different in 2014 than it was 40 years ago; and I'm not saying that the new car will be the joke the 1971 one was, but we also don't know how flexible the new platform they built the Mustang off of is. The outgoing one was undoubtedly dictated in size in part from it's original roots as a simplified version of the Lincoln LS platform, so this new one may very well offer far more options. For sure, the new car failing to meet any of the originally reported attempts to tailor the car more for the European market is going to have serious affects on its sales success; and that is going to be the case no matter how loudly from the rooftops Ford shouts about "Ecoboost" this or "independent rear suspension" that.
A BreezeFrees sized and weighted car without the BreezeFrees' constantly complained about lack of power could be a very easy way for Ford to hedge their bets if they designed the new Mustang in a way that allowed it; or even in a way that made it so they could get close. A 3000 pound car with ~230 hp that is the size of a Civic isn't going to be much of a threat to a potentially 3800 pound car with 300 the size of an Accord except to people who weren't that interested in the Mustang in the first place.
In 1973, right before the Mustang was finally downsized, you could buy:
That 1964 Mustang with a new body.
That lardass mini Thunderbird thing they put Mustang badges on for some reason.
A slightly Americanized version of that. All of them were priced roughly the same, but it's notable that the Mercury was significantly smaller and significantly less powerful. The Mustang was also the worst selling one; and it'd be a hard case to prove that it was just because of the sales being cannibalized when Mustang sales had already dropped like a stone corresponding to each attempt to redesign it.
Now, for certain, the sports car market is different in 2014 than it was 40 years ago; and I'm not saying that the new car will be the joke the 1971 one was, but we also don't know how flexible the new platform they built the Mustang off of is. The outgoing one was undoubtedly dictated in size in part from it's original roots as a simplified version of the Lincoln LS platform, so this new one may very well offer far more options. For sure, the new car failing to meet any of the originally reported attempts to tailor the car more for the European market is going to have serious affects on its sales success; and that is going to be the case no matter how loudly from the rooftops Ford shouts about "Ecoboost" this or "independent rear suspension" that.
A BreezeFrees sized and weighted car without the BreezeFrees' constantly complained about lack of power could be a very easy way for Ford to hedge their bets if they designed the new Mustang in a way that allowed it; or even in a way that made it so they could get close. A 3000 pound car with ~230 hp that is the size of a Civic isn't going to be much of a threat to a potentially 3800 pound car with 300 the size of an Accord except to people who weren't that interested in the Mustang in the first place.
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- xNEVER-ONEx
My point is, unless the two cars are substantially different in pricing, Ford will not do it. Yes the two cars could be very different cars, but it doesn't make sense to offer 2 speciality vehicles in the same price range. What is the modern example of a company doing that? I can't think of one because it doesn't make sense to do that in today's market.
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Ford doing that will entirely depend on what GM decides to do with the Code and the Camaro, and I'm guessing, that will almost entirely depend on what Nissan decides to do with the IDx. As much as I'd like to see GM do a Code/Camaro split, it isn't entirely a great business case. But, a much smaller Camaro, that just happens to offer a V8? Why not. I dunno. Its hard to say if the premium sport coupe market is that lucrative between the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger. But, if they were to shrink it back down, they could change the whole segment. And that'd be awesome.
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They should make an electric version and a hybrid version similar to how the i8 is
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- xNEVER-ONEx
That would be cool, except I can't imagine what the uproar would be like, given how some people were so upset at the thought of a 4 cylinder Mustang.
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- ryandude2448
This is just me, personally, but I'd rather have an Electric Mustang rather than an I4 Mustang
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Imagine a blacked out 'Stang coming at you at 80ish mph in complete silence. That's pretty badass.
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- slashfan7964
No its not.
It makes me want to punch kittens.
Part of the fun with having a Mustang or any loud old car is making your presence known. Tuirning heads. Making everyone stare at you. I enjoy that kind of attention.
And it doesn't matter if you think I'm a tool. As long as I feel cool, that's all that matters to me.
It makes me want to punch kittens.
Part of the fun with having a Mustang or any loud old car is making your presence known. Tuirning heads. Making everyone stare at you. I enjoy that kind of attention.
And it doesn't matter if you think I'm a tool. As long as I feel cool, that's all that matters to me.
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If they are different enough where one is directly competing with a car that to this point is virtually by itself on the market (with a potential trump card) and the other one is competing in the exact same market that it has since 1979 which in the past five years has become very crowded again, why doesn't it make sense to price both of them in tune with how the competitors fall? That other manufacturers don't (and some do) it isn't much a reason when other manufacturers rarely offer more than one specialty car at all.
Volkswagen GTi.
Volkswagen New Beetle Sport.
Volkswagen Scirocco GT.
Or
Volkswagen GTi Cabrio
Volkswagen New Beetle Sport Cabrio
Volkswagen Eos.
BMW 435 Convertible
BMW Z4 sDrive35
Certain versions of the Camaro were rather blatantly horning in on the Corvette in price and in performance when the C6 was still in production, and the Z28 (nevermind the Chevy SS) hasn't made matters simpler.
About half of the SRT-8 model range sits in the exact same niche.
It makes even less sense to hedge all of your bets on a heavy large-engined coupe larger than a Mercedes E-Class selling fantastically in the European market if you have the capability to also supplement your lineup with a car based on a shrunken version of the same platform that would have dramatically more international appeal and would have the benefit of catering to a mostly different market even domestically.
Again, as much furor as there is now that the Mustang was finally designed to allow mass export for the first time, the fact that all of the rumors about the cars size and weight trimmings rang false will dictate that the car will not have anything approaching long legs on the European market once that current frenzy dies down.
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Okay, just wanted to be sure on that.
I personally don't really care who stares at me, if I'm driving a car like that; it's only for the drive and nothing else. I don't like showing off. As a matter of fact, if I drove a car that was loud, I would most likely be driving on a clear road that's away from the city.
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- slashfan7964
That's entirely not me at all.
I soak up the attention. I love to be obnoxious and crazy. That's just who I am. And like I said, I don't really care what anyone thinks of me because of that.
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- GranTurismo0517
- RandomCarGuy17
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Nothing wrong with who you are 👍
I might add, 95% of the time I don't act like a jackass on the road either. The odd occasion where I am leaving an event full of people or something I might get on the loud pedal for a second or 2.
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