2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[CodeRedR51]

Lincoln Mustang .

Mark VIII redux?

Would take some time for me to warm up to it I think.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

I'd rather see Mercury..

 

[Slash]

I'd rather see Mercury..

This.

 

[RocZX]

These just popped up on my FB feed.

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The photoshop on the rear is horrible, the taillight bar is different n each side.

Mostly likely it will not look like a Mustang cause it was rumored that the Lincoln version will be a 4 door coupe.

 

[Slash]

The photoshop on the rear is horrible, the taillight bar is different n each side.

Mostly likely it will not look like a Mustang cause it was rumored that the Lincoln version will be a 4 door coupe.

I've heard it's supposed to be a combination of the Taurus and Mustang with AWD and the 5.0.

Who knows.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Add DCT and supercharger and maybe Mustang can finally keep up with some European and Japanese sportscars..

 

[YSSMAN]

Eh, I don't think that'll be happening at Ford any time soon. Tradition means a bit too much at Ford, and I'm not sure if all the tech is there. With all the issues they've had with their Powershift gearboxes, I'm under the assumption they'll be sticking to traditional torque-converter automatics for the foreseeable future on their high-horsepower cars, crossovers and trucks.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Add DCT and supercharger and maybe Mustang can finally keep up with some European and Japanese sportscars..

Lets take it easy there. It took them 40 years to get the IRS.

 

[niky]

Are we talking "Keep Up" in the sense of laptimes around a racetrack or quarter miles (in which case, hello? Boss? GT500?) or "Keep Up" in terms of "This car has so much technology it'll cost you an arm and a leg for maintenance after every track day?"

Just so we're perfectly clear.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Keep up, as in "This is a car I actually might want to own." At least that's how I read it.

 

[Omnis]

These just popped up on my FB feed.

Ah, the Lincoln Gelding.

Re: "Keep up"
I need five things to make me happy:

1. Drive quality: Torquey for around town, amazing handling and response.
2. Interior: ergonomic, comfortable, well-designed aesthetically, no BS. Future-proof the damn electronics.
3. Economy: Don't make me work hard to get better than 20-25mpg in typical suburban driving.
4. Reliability: Just work. Don't break, don't leak, don't sludge, don't carbon foul, STRONG A/C.
5. Easy to service: I don't really care about oil changes-- I can hire someone for that. But I'd rather not spend a thousand bucks on labor if something goes wrong or needs replacing. Make it easy for me to take a day off of work to fix it. Fixing a car should be Lego-simple. Don't **** it up.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

In order to really make me want to own it, they're actually pretty damn close. If they would offer a stripped lightweight version without any unnecessary gimmicks like satnav, radio, backseats etc.. In other words, put it on severe diet, i'd be all over it. Weight loss is the cheapest performance enhancement.

 

[Zenith]

Add DCT and supercharger and maybe Mustang can finally keep up with some European and Japanese sportscars..

That's cute.

The outgoing 5.0 model turned in almost the exact same laptimes around Willow Springs as an M3 that cost $20,000 more.

The tank-like Camaro Z/28 with a stick shift and a "primitive" NA pushrod V8 kept up with a GT-R as well.

If you look down off of your ivory tower you might notice that it's built on a pile of cow turds.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Weight loss is the cheapest performance enhancement.

If there's one thing I have discovered working for a major car company, light cars = noisy cars. Noisy as in a total nightmare for NVH. Mass (weight) added to exhausts to quiet them and eliminate vibration, mass added to steering columns to prevent all sorts of issues, mass here, mass there. Not as easy as it seems.

 

[Omnis]

My NVH is supplied by miami bass.

 

[niky]

WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY, SONNY? LET ME JUST TURN OFF THE AIRCON FOR A Minu... ah. That's better...

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

NVH also means that you won't be falling asleep behind the wheel.

 

[Omnis]

WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY, SONNY? LET ME JUST TURN OFF THE AIRCON FOR A Minu... ah. That's better...

I'm serious broe. I can't stand my Lexus's A/C because there is a huge lag from when you start the car to when she's blowin' full blast. The car is a solar oven!

 

[Badasp5.0]

That's cute.

The outgoing 5.0 model turned in almost the exact same laptimes around Willow Springs as an M3 that cost $20,000 more.

The tank-like Camaro Z/28 with a stick shift and a "primitive" NA pushrod V8 kept up with a GT-R as well.

If you look down off of your ivory tower you might notice that it's built on a pile of cow turds.

NOPE its American so its instantly crap even with the cars its being compared to are way more expensive.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Keep up, as in "This is a car I actually might want to own." At least that's how I read it.

Well you don't ever care to own anything America as you seem to put it most days. By default the Japanese and Europeans build stuff while the Americans are still trying to figure how to rub two sticks together and create fire.

In order to really make me want to own it, they're actually pretty damn close. If they would offer a stripped lightweight version without any unnecessary gimmicks like satnav, radio, backseats etc.. In other words, put it on severe diet, i'd be all over it. Weight loss is the cheapest performance enhancement.

You could do that all yourself, I didn't know all the cars running around where you're at (Cali) were stripped down unless you've been hanging out with tuner crowds that think the back seats and seat belt removal is a vast improvement. I've never known radios to be a gimmick, hell satnav is in most cars nowadays so can't see a regular piece of standard equipment in that light.

We'll start a fundraiser for you so you can get a Z/28. Since you're basically asking for a track car, that not even the Germans and Europeans truly offer outside the track cars they make.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Well you don't ever care to own anything America as you seem to put it most days. By default the Japanese and Europeans build stuff while the Americans are still trying to figure how to rub two sticks together and create fire.

I'll buy a good American car. For example, the C7 Corvette. I seriously don't know whether I'd rather have that or a 991 S. But yes, most American cars are behind in quality, and IMO they're generally awful to look at as well.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'll buy a good American car. For example, the C7 Corvette. I seriously don't know whether I'd rather have that or a 991 S. But yes, most American cars are behind in quality, and IMO they're generally awful to look at as well.

I don't see how most are and the looks are subjective, especially when most American and Japanese sedans nowdays try to mimic/emulate German counter parts. E.g. Lexus trying to be like Audi, Cadillac trying to be like Mercedes. To me this sounds nothing more than the likes of a European bias that you'd see on Top gear or Fifth gear, that is a counter to that of "America is best!" crowd. Both are quite fringe in nature and exaggerate their preference

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I don't see how most are and the looks are subjective, especially when most American and Japanese sedans nowdays try to mimic/emulate German counter parts. E.g. Lexus trying to be like Audi, Cadillac trying to be like Mercedes. To me this sounds nothing more than the likes of a European bias that you'd see on Top gear or Fifth gear, that is a counter to that of "America is best!" crowd. Both are quite fringe in nature and exaggerate their preference

My experiences with American cars have always been fairly negative. For example, the Ford Focus. That's a car that has received very good reviews, generally speaking. However, the transmission is the worst I've ever experienced by miles, the interior has some of the worst packaging and ergonomics I've ever seen, and the materials and general feel of the car is very cheap. On the plus side, it feels solid, while every GM car I've known feels like it's about as sturdy as soft tofu. Additionally, the seats were excellent in the Focus, it drove well apart from the gearbox, and the fuel economy was excellent. But would I buy one, even with a manual? No way. The design is just too poor. I'd be much happier with, say, a Honda Fit, which actually has a usable back seat and decent ergonomics, albeit no more attractive styling.

Anyway, I'm stopping this now before it becomes another one of the countless arguments you start around here with your overly antagonistic attitude. You've heard my views, which are form my personal experience, tastes, and research. You've disagreed with them.

To bring this back to the new Mustang, I've not sat in one yet, but I've seen it in the flesh. The rear view is epic, a great look which is modern and yet still pure Mustang. The front, however, looks very ungainly. Perhaps they figured that most cars would only see the back of it anyway . The biggest problem for me, though, is the interior design. Not only is it incredibly ugly, but it's very unimaginative. When they introduced this car they made many radical changes, but essentially kept the old interior and made it a bit uglier. They could have made a really, really nice interior that harked back to the glory days of the muscle car. A very driver-centric design would have worked wonderfully, and would have enhanced the car as a whole.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

My experiences with American cars have always been fairly negative. For example, the Ford Focus. That's a car that has received very good reviews, generally speaking. However, the transmission is the worst I've ever experienced by miles, the interior has some of the worst packaging and ergonomics I've ever seen, and the materials and general feel of the car is very cheap. On the plus side, it feels solid, while every GM car I've known feels like it's about as sturdy as soft tofu. Additionally, the seats were excellent in the Focus, it drove well apart from the gearbox, and the fuel economy was excellent. But would I buy one, even with a manual? No way. The design is just too poor. I'd be much happier with, say, a Honda Fit, which actually has a usable back seat and decent ergonomics, albeit no more attractive styling.

Considering the amount of American vehicles my families owned and I've driven and comparing that to the foreign makes I've owned and driven (Nissan, Toyota, Honda). The same plastics are put through out as well as the same materials for seats. The Sentra I own compared to the Focus I was going to buy or even the Corolla I nearly signed for due to being cheaper than both a bit wasn't all that different. The Toyota was boring, the view and feel of the Focus and Sentra were parallel, but the drive of the CVT (Nissan) was nicer than the other two but they weren't horrible.

What it came down to was subjectivity on the looks, the Toyota was ugly and boring, the Nissan was a bit fun and good looking and the Focus was as well but I didn't care for the price or the hatch that was cheaper than the Sedan.

To bring this back to the Mustang it's those decision that are what make and break for the normal person. The few of you here that seem to have this anti-american build of cars most days are few and far between, but if you're going to write off an entire continent of car manufacturing I guess there is no hope for N. America to you guys. I mean I only say anything because it's a bit annoying how partial some of you are just like once again how it's annoying when Jmoney for example touts America. I think the Mustang and others like it are doing fine just how @Zenith put it and look good doing it.

Anyway, I'm stopping this now before it becomes another one of the countless arguments you start around here with your overly antagonistic attitude. You've heard my views, which are form my personal experience, tastes, and research. You've disagreed with them.

Yes because I'm the only one that does this... Also the last bit there you say all this stuff as to why your view is valid and some how unbias or impartial to region, and I'm just simply disagreeing with an educated guy. I've probably test driven more cars that you (not that it really matters) and done an equal amount of research, the points that usually get skewed by you and others are highly subjective "well it looks bad as usual to American cars" or "the materials are plastic for the interior and cheap" as if Germans and Japanese are using the finest woven silks and leathers. I disagree with you because it seems like bias and you tend to have this way that no one can challenge you especially me, it's forum that's what type of discussion unfolds.

Not sure why this becomes a personal matter

To bring this back to the new Mustang, I've not sat in one yet, but I've seen it in the flesh. The rear view is epic, a great look which is modern and yet still pure Mustang. The front, however, looks very ungainly. Perhaps they figured that most cars would only see the back of it anyway . The biggest problem for me, though, is the interior design. Not only is it incredibly ugly, but it's very unimaginative. When they introduced this car they made many radical changes, but essentially kept the old interior and made it a bit uglier. They could have made a really, really nice interior that harked back to the glory days of the muscle car. A very driver-centric design would have worked wonderfully, and would have enhanced the car as a whole.

So what exactly would you want lap belts and bucket seats with chrome trim around the gauges, I'm just trying to understand from the other perspective (as I've always have) on what specifically they should be doing? Is there a certain design you can point to or actual materials you'd like to see rather than "not plastics that seem cheap"?

 

[catamount39]

For the record my goal in the next 7 years is to be able to afford one of these 2015 Mustang's. I believe its the best Stang' to date, and it is a great car for the money (well...base model too).

There are many good American cars besides the Corvette and Mustang, but sadly the bad ones overshadow the good ones when it comes to global opinion. The next generation of American cars from the 2013/14/15 model years show much promise, actually...most since 2010/11 have.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

For the record my goal in the next 7 years is to be able to afford one of these 2015 Mustang's. I believe its the best Stang' to date, and it is a great car for the money (well...base model too).

There are many good American cars besides the Corvette and Mustang, but sadly the bad ones overshadow the good ones when it comes to global opinion. The next generation of American cars from the 2013/14/15 model years show much promise.

See this I agree with I think certain era have perpetuated this idea especially in other regions that American cars are inherently bad. I think with how smart some of the people who seem to believe this are, would in fact rather not believe a silly stereotype. I'd say since mid 2000s American car companies in general have been working much harder to produce more stylish and better performing cars and do far better than the 80s and 90s when pound for pound American cars were horrible.

 

[catamount39]

See this I agree with I think certain era have perpetuated this idea especially in other regions that American cars are inherently bad. I think with how smart some of the people who seem to believe this are, would in fact rather not believe a silly stereotype. I'd say since mid 2000s American car companies in general have been working much harder to produce more stylish and better performing cars and do far better than the 80s and 90s when pound for pound American cars were horrible.

Exactly. The 80's/90's era American cars were indeed trash and sadly when you say "American car" to someone that's what they think of. Not the stuff made post 2000.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

To bring this back to the Mustang it's those decision that are what make and break for the normal person. The few of you here that seem to have this anti-american build of cars most days are few and far between, but if you're going to write off an entire continent of car manufacturing I guess there is no hope for N. America to you guys. I mean I only say anything because it's a bit annoying how partial some of you are just like once again how it's annoying when Jmoney for example touts America. I think the Mustang and others like it are doing fine just how @Zenith put it and look good doing it.

I have not written off an entire continent and I want that made very clear! You need to stop twisting my words and actually reading and understanding what I'm saying. Detroit I have written off. Yes, they can make great cars, like the C7 Corvette, but most of their cars are awful. Outside of Detroit, though, it's a different story. I want you to know that I regard the Tesla Model S as one of the best cars on the market. Period. no caveats. Just a brilliant example of world class American engineering. Not all American cars are bad. But most of them are.

Yes because I'm the only one that does this...

Yes, you are the only person on this forum that I know of who argues this way. You are either very dumb or are deliberately not understanding my posts. Not only that, but in almost every argument you've been in you make it personal. And you have a reputation for this, I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Also the last bit there you say all this stuff as to why your view is valid and some how unbias or impartial to region, and I'm just simply disagreeing with an educated guy. I've probably test driven more cars that you (not that it really matters) and done an equal amount of research, the points that usually get skewed by you and others are highly subjective "well it looks bad as usual to American cars" or "the materials are plastic for the interior and cheap" as if Germans and Japanese are using the finest woven silks and leathers. I disagree with you because it seems like bias and you tend to have this way that no one can challenge you especially me, it's forum that's what type of discussion unfolds.

I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth again. Quote me correctly or don't do it at all. And I'd like to point out that you really haven't mounted much of a defence other than trying to claim that I'm biased. If you want to argue with me, make a cohesive argument about why American cars are generally good and why this Mustang is a great car.

Not sure why this becomes a personal matter

Well you don't ever care to own anything America as you seem to put it most days. By default the Japanese and Europeans build stuff while the Americans are still trying to figure how to rub two sticks together and create fire.

Your first post directed at me in this discussion. Now you see why I feel it's a slightly personal matter? You started this discussion by attacking me, rather than using logic to convince me that I would want to own this car.

So what exactly would you want lap belts and bucket seats with chrome trim around the gauges, I'm just trying to understand from the other perspective (as I've always have) on what specifically they should be doing? Is there a certain design you can point to or actual materials you'd like to see rather than "not plastics that seem cheap"?

1971 Pontiac Grand Prix:

1970 Chevelle SS:

1970 Dodge Challenger:

1970 Ford Torino:

The Grand Prix is ugly, but cool. The Chevelle and Challenger are awesome designs, and the Torino does it to an extent but I think it'd look really good interpreted for a modern day car with a centre stack and console, and bucket seats.

See what I'm getting at? On these cars the dashboard wraps around to give the interior a more focused feel. It looks great and could have easily been incorporated into the Mustang. I'd like to see soft touch plastics and leather, and real metal trim, not plastic. Metal trim would be really nice. I'd like to see visible stitching that looks good, and tasteful amounts of chrome trim (yes, in places like around the gauges). I think it should have a more driver-centric design since it's supposed to be a pretty good driver's car now. Also, the black area and raised dashboard section in front of the passenger looks cheap and silly.

Thinking about it, they've designed it to be very easily made as a RHD car, which shows cheapness in the engineering of the interior. And that doesn't make me feel confident about the quality of it, if they were willing to cheap out like that.

I'm just trying to understand from the other perspective (as I've always have)

 

[McLaren]

I don't see how most are and the looks are subjective, especially when most American and Japanese sedans nowdays try to mimic/emulate German counter parts. E.g. Lexus trying to be like Audi, Cadillac trying to be like Mercedes. To me this sounds nothing more than the likes of a European bias that you'd see on Top gear or Fifth gear, that is a counter to that of "America is best!" crowd. Both are quite fringe in nature and exaggerate their preference

You've peaked my curiosity. Where has Lexus tried to be more like Audi besides adopting a navigational unit that is heavily inspired in design & function from what the Germans are doing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You've peaked my curiosity. Where has Lexus tried to be more like Audi besides adopting a navigational unit that is heavily inspired in design & function from what the Germans are doing.

Easiest example of similarities to me would be RC F and say the RS5