2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[Zenith]

The Mustang has come a long way from when it originally was released. I like what my car can compete against. But I think supercar territory is just stupid.

I agree.

He was talking about what the Mustang originally stood for. I find that many people's idea of "original" is actually a couple years late.

Edit: Dude we live in the same area driving similar cars. Any chance you might have seen me driving around?

 

[Slash]

A style over substance six cylinder car for rich teenagers made from extra Falcon parts?

Yes. And it worked quite well.

Though the rich teenage part I disagree with. The car was quite affordable back then.

 

[Zenith]

Yes. And it worked quite well.

Is that what you want the Mustang to be? Personally I'm very happy with what it evolved into.

Though the rich teenage part I disagree with. The car was quite affordable back then.

It was an affordable car, but even in the 60's most teenagers were buying used or driving their parents' leftovers.

 

[McLaren]

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The Shelby 1000 wasn't made to be a good value performance car, so stop saying it's overpriced. And stop saying they are milking the Shelby name, Carroll Shelby himself worked on it. Yes, there are faster and cheaper cars out there, but it's no different than someone buying a slower and more expensive Ferrari 458 over the faster and cheaper Nissan GT-R. And statistically speaking, you'd see 4 Ferrari Enzo's before you'd see a Shelby 1000.
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How about no?

And it is nowhere near the argument of a 458 vs a GT-R. You're spending $210,000 on a 1,200hp GT500 because it has a Shelby name on it. There are numerous shops in the US that can build you a 1,200Hp GT500 for half that, probably even more.

If 1,000+hp for $200,000 is what you want, it is more than possible to have a UGR TT Gallardo for that, or a Ford GT Twin Turbo for a bit more change. Or as niky perfectly pointed out, an AMS Alpha 12 produces 100hp less on pump gas, but up to 1,500+ on 160 octane. And it's around $10,000 less than this.

 

[Pupik]

How has he been milking his own reputation?

- At least ten years of Z-Max ads.
- Mysteriously "reappearing" hidden cars.
- His ego-laden pissing contest with the only Shelby club in North America.

Among others...

 

[Slash]

Road and Track reports the turbo 2.3L 4 cylinder will be between the V6 and V8 lineup and will reportedly be more powerful than the V6 option as well as being a more economical option. Confirmed to join the US lineup as well.

Meaning a likely 350+hp turbo 4 cylinder if the V6 gets a boosted power output (likely).

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2013/...-after-all-will-be-more-powerful-than-the-v6/

If this happens then why not drop the V6 and leave the V8 and Turbo 4 cylinder?

 

[Joey D]

I'm really curious to see how the 4 cylinder performs because apparently the rumor is that same engine is going in the new Focus RS...which would be awesome.

Also I agree drop the V6, there's not going to any point to it since it will be less powerful and get worse fuel economy. Unless the only reason they are keeping it is for fleet sales, which is entirely possible since quite a few rental companies use the Mustang for their convertibles and sports cars.

 

[Tornado]

If this happens then why not drop the V6 and leave the V8 and Turbo 4 cylinder?

Because the V6 will be cheaper and it's questionable how good the fuel economy will be from the 4 cylinder to offset the cost.

 

[Slash]

I'm really curious to see how the 4 cylinder performs because apparently the rumor is that same engine is going in the new Focus RS...which would be awesome.

Also I agree drop the V6, there's not going to any point to it since it will be less powerful and get worse fuel economy. Unless the only reason they are keeping it is for fleet sales, which is entirely possible since quite a few rental companies use the Mustang for their convertibles and sports cars.

Oh boy...that sounds awesome. I really hope that's true. That would be one fast Focus.

@Toronado

If they kept it for fleet then it would make sense but otherwise there is no point in keeping it around. If they were going to do anything I'd say make a basic 2.3L, the Turbo version and the V8. Get rid of the V6 alltogether. Like the '80s when the SVO Mustangs were being built.

The only difference then was the Turbo 4 cylinders were keeping right up with the V8's. This could get very, very interesting.

 

[Tornado]

They need an entry level engine to keep the price from jumping, and they certainly can't replace the current engine with one that has half the power. The V6 is fine to stay around to see how the sales play out.

 

[Gatorbait771]

I wish the Mustang would go back to being available as both a Coupe and a Fastback...I also wish there were more than one Ford two door available -_-

 

[Slash]

They need an entry level engine to keep the price from jumping, and they certainly can't replace the current engine with one that has half the power. The V6 is fine to stay around to see how the sales play out.

But who said it would have half the power? How do we know if it wouldn't be on par with the current V6 only as a 4 cylinder? Performance would be better overall, as far as handling and acceleration goes because the car would be lighter and power output would be relatively the same. Then add the Turbo 4 in there and the V8 to the lineup and BAM done..

I wish the Mustang would go back to being available as both a Coupe and a Fastback...I also wish there were more than one Ford two door available -_-

I agree with both statements. A revival of the 2 door Maverick or Torino would be nice.

 

[BKGlover]

The problem with 2-doors is that they aren't practcal in vehicles with rear seats, essentially all of them, and unlike Europe and Japan, the US companies won't sacrfice a sale for a design anymore. Mustang gets away with it due to it's own heritage, and the Camaro and Challenger for the same reason. Even extended cab trucks have those half-doors on them so people don't have to squeeze through the gap between seat and B-post.

Note-A 2-door Fusion would look cool, don't you think?

 

[niky]

A turbo-four should have two liters. No more, no less.

*That's personal opinion, completely biased and based on "Doooos Litros!" sounding better than "Dos Punto Tres."

A 250-300 hp four-banger, if Ford can make them cheap, would extend the Mustang range slightly downmarket and give it wider appeal. Wouldn't sound great, but the V6 doesn't sound all that radical, either. Personally, I find the idea of a turbo-four Mustang with a track pack appealing, but then again, a lighter and better-handling Genesis Coupe 2.0T might make more sense.

It certainly has more legroom.

I guess we'll see how this all pans out in the coming months.

 

[Tornado]

But who said it would have half the power? How do we know if it wouldn't be on par with the current V6 only as a 4 cylinder?

How much horsepower do you think Ford can get out of a naturally aspirated 2.5 liter engine that they would be able to replace the similarly modern 3.7 liter engine with it?

Performance would be better overall, as far as handling and acceleration goes because the car would be lighter and power output would be relatively the same.

No it wouldn't be. Any 4 cylinder Ford has to put in there (which is basically only the Duratec 25 at this point) would be down at least a hundred horsepower from the current base engine, and the next Mustang won't weigh nearly enough less to make up the shortfall. Slotting the turbo 4 between the current V6 and V8 options as a premium engines makes sense just like it does for the other cars where they did similar things.

Dropping the V6 entirely, or (more ridiculously) replacing it with a normally aspirated 4 cylinder, does not. You'd end up with a slower car that would most likely get worse fuel mileage than the current engine does anyway.

 

[niky]

200-ish? 250 if it's built as a screamer, but I don't see that happening, and having a 2.5 with 250 hp peak power number is sure to cause disappointment to people who don't understand the difference between peak and average horsepower.

 

[RocZX]

Leaked images of early clay models of the next Mustang.

 

[Joey D]

They're not real, it's an old design study.

http://jalopnik.com/those-2015-mustang-clay-model-photos-are-actually-old-d-458580356

 

[phil bell]

I kinda get the idea of a turbo 4 in the Mustang, Coupe looks and affordable running. However, what's to say people won't buy something else instead?
Hence Im not sure if theres a market for a turbo 4 Mustang but could be wrong.

On the other hand the Mustang V6 and Genesis V6 compete quite happily so it will be interesting to see if the Mustang gets a Turbo 4.

 

[Slash]

I kinda get the idea of a turbo 4 in the Mustang, Coupe looks and affordable running. However, what's to say people won't buy the Genesis instead.
Im not sure if theres a market for that but could be wrong.

The announcement of a turbo 4 is making SVO purists jump for joy though....we will see what happens.

 

[05XR8]

There's room for an Ecoboost Mustang. Good balance and power.

 

[Slash]

There's room for an Ecoboost Mustang. Good balance and power.

That's been the buzz for some time now.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

I just don't want it to turn into a drive-it-everyday type of car. I want the 'Stang to keep it's race like shape, performance, and power.

 

[McLaren]

I just don't want it to turn into a drive-it-everyday type of car. I want the 'Stang to keep it's race like shape, performance, and power.

It's been that type of car since forever. That's an extremely good trait it has managed to improve on....

 

[Slash]

But then again, that's what it was originally intended for. But I do agree with you. The Mustang has certainly turned into an affordable performance car.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I just don't want it to turn into a drive-it-everyday type of car. I want the 'Stang to keep it's race like shape, performance, and power.

I don't know what world you're living in...

But my grandmother dailies the hell out of her Mustang.

My grandmother.

Daily.

Like it's nothing.

Because it is nothing. It gets a consistent 25mpg, is perfectly comfortable, and is more than capable of carrying groceries. It's even usable in the snow thanks to having an LSD.

 

[DeathSmiles]

I just don't want it to turn into a drive-it-everyday type of car.

.......


The Mustang has been that way since oh, it's inception.


There's a reason you see 50 a day.

 

[Slash]

.......


The Mustang has been that way since oh, it's inception.


There's a reason you see 50 a day.

I don't. I see maybe a few if that. I mostly see 4 doors, SUV's/Crossovers and newer trucks.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

I don't. I see maybe a few if that. I mostly see 4 doors, SUV's/Crossovers and newer trucks.

It's 90% Mercedes over here.

 

[MisterWhiskers]

I don't know what world you're living in...

But my grandmother dailies the hell out of her Mustang.

My grandmother.

Daily.

Like it's nothing.

Because it is nothing. It gets a consistent 25mpg, is perfectly comfortable, and is more than capable of carrying groceries. It's even usable in the snow thanks to having an LSD.

I've been to lots of states in the east coast of the US, but I think I've only seen one old lady driving a Mustang. I'm not saying it's only a sports car. All I'm saying is that it should keep the traits/characteristics it's known for.