2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

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For a global car, weight is important. The lighter you can get it, the better the MPG and therefore the CO2 emissions. These things now matter in many markets.
 
I'll bet you're wrong. They certainly care how much the F150 weighs now, why wouldn't they care about the Mustang? If I'm not mistaken, I've seen an article recently where Ford says they want to shed weight from all their cars.

Edit: Found it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/20/report-ford-targeting-up-to-700-pound-weight-loss-across-lineup/

This. I think they changed the body panels on the F-series to a different material to lessen the weight. I wouldn't mind seeing the truck shrink again.
 
I'll bet you're wrong. They certainly care how much the F150 weighs now, why wouldn't they care about the Mustang? If I'm not mistaken, I've seen an article recently where Ford says they want to shed weight from all their cars.

Edit: Found it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/20/report-ford-targeting-up-to-700-pound-weight-loss-across-lineup/

+1 Ford is really looking at weight and why wouldn't they want the "halo" car which gets a lot of press to lose some weight.
 
I think that a smaller lighter Mustang would be a big boost in sales compared to the Camaro and Challenger. Same with ditching the retro styling. The market seems ripe for it.
I think a properly sporty car more like the Genesis coupe is this market opening you're speaking of. The Mustang really does need to get smaller, it's getting ridiculous. The Challenger is beyond ridiculous.
 
Clearly I have to be the one to say it...

Ford does not give a crap about how much the mustang weighs.

More over, the weight of the car isn't going to change sales.
HP might, but weight will not...

People care about weight when it comes to a performance car because less weight means better performance with the same amount of horsepower. A 3,000lbs car with 400hp will be way fast than a 4,000lbs car with 400hp. Not to mention you do get better fuel economy, and in 2013 people don't want cars that get 14mpg, they want performance and economy.
 
People care about weight when it comes to a performance car because less weight means better performance with the same amount of horsepower. A 3,000lbs car with 400hp will be way fast than a 4,000lbs car with 400hp. Not to mention you do get better fuel economy, and in 2013 people don't want cars that get 14mpg, they want performance and economy.

Considering how the new cars are rockets anyways a weight loss would just make it scary.
 
Considering how the new cars are rockets anyways a weight loss would just make it scary.

I wouldn't call 4.6 seconds to 60 a "rocket" in today's world. It's quick, but not all that special. The GT500 is already very scary, with that kind of power and only a Mustang chassis.
 
I wouldn't call 4.6 seconds to 60 a "rocket" in today's world. It's quick, but not all that special. The GT500 is already very scary, with that kind of power and only a Mustang chassis.

Most people have cars that run 7/8/9 seconds if not slower to 60. Put them in a 5 second 0-60 car and they think it's fast. I know a lot of people who do. 4.6 seconds is pretty damn quick for a street car that isn't all decked out like a supercar, or the really high performance models like the GT500. 4.6 seconds for a 0-60 is plenty fast, again for a standard street car. My friends Grand Prix GTP will do 0-60 in 6/7 and that car goes pretty good for what it is. My friends Corolla does it in 11 seconds...so when compared, its a rocket.

The track only Cobra Jet will do it in 1.52 seconds, and 100 in 3 seconds. That is uber fast.
 
As I said most people will still think that is very fast when they are riding along.
 
To me, it's just not that fast. If it could do that and handle and be a refined car, then it would be impressive. But as it is, that's pretty much all it's good at. Which means that it had better be really fast. And I don't think that 4.6 is "really fast." Especially from 412 bhp. Audi's TTS manages the same time with 265 bhp. And it handles, looks good, and is a refined car.
 
To me, it's just not that fast. If it could do that and handle and be a refined car, then it would be impressive. But as it is, that's pretty much all it's good at. Which means that it had better be really fast. And I don't think that 4.6 is "really fast." Especially from 412 bhp. Audi's TTS manages the same time with 265 bhp. And it handles, looks good, and is a refined car.

How many times have you gone from 0-60 in under 5 seconds?
 
To me, it's just not that fast. If it could do that and handle and be a refined car, then it would be impressive. But as it is, that's pretty much all it's good at. Which means that it had better be really fast. And I don't think that 4.6 is "really fast." Especially from 412 bhp. Audi's TTS manages the same time with 265 bhp. And it handles, looks good, and is a refined car.

...yet a Mustang probably outhandles it (at the least, it would destroy it on all but the tiniest, twistiest tracks). And looks good (since that's pretty subjective).

4.6 isn't really fast? What do you drive every day, a Radical?!
 
I don't consider 4.6 to be "really fast," no. Not in a world where most supercars can do it in under 3.5.
 
I don't consider 4.6 to be "really fast," no. Not in a world where most supercars can do it in under 3.5.

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Try it in the real world.

When you feel your stomach forcing it's way out of your ears you will know that 4.6 is fast.
 
The Mustang isn't supercar though.
Exactly what I was getting at earlier.
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Try it in the real world.

When you feel your stomach forcing it's way out of your ears you will know that 4.6 is fast.

I start to feel that very lightly at 7-8 seconds. Any faster and you really start to notice the acceleration.

4.6 seconds is very fast. I consider anything from 4.5-6.5 seconds to be very fast. Anything after that is quick.
 
I guess my scale is a bit different from that of most people. I don't consider the Mustang to be a sports car, though, it's still a muscle car to me. They established that fact by putting a live rear axle in it. Of course, as you can probably tell, I'm not a Mustang fan. I feel that some fundamental changes need to be implemented in the new one, and I really don't care how fast it is. If they want to make it a sports car, they need to forget about performance numbers.
 
I guess my scale is a bit different from that of most people. I don't consider the Mustang to be a sports car, though, it's still a muscle car to me. They established that fact by putting a live rear axle in it. Of course, as you can probably tell, I'm not a Mustang fan. I feel that some fundamental changes need to be implemented in the new one, and I really don't care how fast it is. If they want to make it a sports car, they need to forget about performance numbers.

Live axles are much preferred in drag racing. The Mustang is very popular there and has been for years.

It's cool that you're not a Mustang fan but you cannot deny that 4.6 seconds for a 0-60 is not fast. Please inform me when you actually ride in a car that can do it in under 5 seconds. If you're gut doesn't feel like it's going to come out of your mouth then something is wrong. I've had rollercoasters give me a similar feeling.
 
Live axles are much preferred in drag racing. The Mustang is very popular there and has been for years.

It's cool that you're not a Mustang fan but you cannot deny that 4.6 seconds for a 0-60 is not fast. Please inform me when you actually ride in a car that can do it in under 5 seconds. If you're gut doesn't feel like it's going to come out of your mouth then something is wrong. I've had rollercoasters give me a similar feeling.

I didn't say it wasn't fast. I merely contested the use of your use of the word "rocket' to describe it. And here we are.
 
I didn't say it wasn't fast. I merely contested the use of your use of the word "rocket' to describe it. And here we are.

Considering that supercars are so rare around here they are pretty much out of the question, and we won't get our hands on one or a chance to ride in one. So to us, that car is a rocket.

I can see where you can object to that though.
 
Have you ever weighed one? They are light as hell!!

Considering how small they are, no they aren't.

I have had one weighed with a loaded 302 right in front of me and with a half a tank of gas it clocked 2,800 with a 1984 302 out of a Fox. This is my friends blue Cobra II. They have a scale for their dry Cars they race for regulation. Headers, carb, intake and cam had that car running high 8s in the 1/8th at around 75/80mph on 6 inch wide tires. Most foxes run 10s with comparable mods and wider tires and hit mid 9s on slicks. This is why it doesnt take a lot to get that car to go and it had highway gears in it! That car can and will light them up rolling in 3rd gear.

It doesn't take a lot to get them to go because much of the weight from them can be removed without too much issue. They are built on a platform that originally wieghed ~2200 pounds, after all. Hundreds of pounds can be dumped from the car without even getting to the interior, simply by nature of dumping mid-70s era safety and emissions equipment. And the car will light them up rolling in 3rd gear because it has awful weight distribution (even more so with a V8) and laughably small diameter tires.


They weigh much less than the fox and hundreds of sources confirm this :lol:

Since these two cars have substantially the same dimensions, the Mustang's impression of greater size may be at least partially attributable to its greater weight: 3335 pounds compared to 3210 for the Monza. It is interesting to see how weight grows in proportion to the length of the option list. According to Ford, the basic V-6 Mach I bounces into this world at 2967 with all tanks filled. Add to that a 302 V-8 with automatic, 271 extra pounds; power steering, 42; power brakes, 12; larger fuel tank with fuel, 32; AM/FM stereo, eight; console, eight; heated rear glass and pivoting quarter windows, five; fold-down rear seat, 39; plus the other accessory groups and packages that make up the grand total.

Linky.

Meanwhile, this is what a Fairmont coupe with the straight-6 weighs. The V8 would add 250 pounds to that. The Fairmont. Not the foot-shorter Mustang.

On the Mustang II vs. the Aircraft Carrier Mustang:

The Mustang II rode on a miniscule 96.2-inch wheelbase and stretched out just 175 inches long total. That's 12.8 inches less in wheelbase and 12.5 inches less in overall length than the '73 Mustang. That's also 11.8 inches less in wheelbase and 6.6 inches less in overall length than the original Mustang. And it weighed in about 400 pounds lighter than the '73 version as well.

Linky.

A foot shorter and 4 inches narrower than the biggest, most purposely bloated one. The one that weighed over 700 pounds more than the original car did, but sat on pretty much the same chassis. So not that much lighter considering the drastic downsizing.

On the Mustang II vs. the Fox Body:
The new Mustang and Capri went on sale in the fall of 1978 for the 1979 model year. Contrary to the general trend of the times, they were somewhat bigger than their predecessors, although they were still smaller than the 1964 car. The Mustang, however, was usefully lighter than its Pinto-based predecessor, shedding about 200 pounds (91 kg), despite its larger dimensions. That was fortunate, for it had most of the same engines as the Mustang II, or, for that matter, the '78 Fairmont.

Linky.

200 pounds lighter with the switch to a much more modern, designed-to-be-light-from-the-start chassis that Ford used in pretty much everything until the Taurus came out.

Even still 3000 lbs is one of the lightest of the bunch. Having worked on both cars and seeing them all the time and even riding around a tossing them the fox feels way heavier.

Even if it did weigh 3000 pounds, it's certainly not "one of the lightest of the bunch" when the SVO weighed just a little under 3000 despite all of the upgraded parts that had in it. The quad light GT wasn't much heavier. The plane jane Fox Mustang from the early years would be in the same neighborhood of the original car, too. Despite being 20 years newer, and far more substantial.





Clearly I have to be the one to say it...

Ford does not give a crap about how much the mustang weighs.

Oh? It looks like we have another insider! It's also obviously why they are apparently lopping dozens of inches off the car.


There's your bridge, now get over it.
Thank you for that.
 
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When V6 family sedans are not far off that, you know that the world has changed.

Not sure what V6 sedans your talking about, but the most of the cars in that category are still around 2 seconds away from 4.6. 4.6 used to be very fast, now its just fast. I personally would like to see the new Mustang GT do closer to 4 seconds than 4.6, but 4.6 is nothing to laugh at for a car that costs 30k.
 
Considering how small they are, no they aren't.

It doesn't take a lot to get them to go because much of the weight from them can be removed without too much issue. They are built on a platform that originally wieghed ~2200 pounds, after all. Hundreds of pounds can be dumped from the car without even getting to the interior, simply by nature of dumping mid-70s era safety and emissions equipment. And the car will light them up rolling in 3rd gear because it has awful weight distribution (even more so with a V8) and laughably small diameter tires.


Linky.

Meanwhile, this is what a Fairmont coupe with the straight-6 weighs. The V8 would add 250 pounds to that. The Fairmont. Not the foot-shorter Mustang.

On the Mustang II vs. the Aircraft Carrier Mustang:



Linky.

A foot shorter and 4 inches narrower than the biggest, most purposely bloated one. The one that weighed over 700 pounds more than the original car did, but sat on pretty much the same chassis. So not that much lighter considering the drastic downsizing.

On the Mustang II vs. the Fox Body:


Linky.

200 pounds lighter with the switch to a much more modern, designed-to-be-light-from-the-start chassis that Ford used in pretty much everything until the Taurus came out.



Even if it did weigh 3000 pounds, it's certainly not "one of the lightest of the bunch" when the SVO weighed just a little under 3000 despite all of the upgraded parts that had in it. The quad light GT wasn't much heavier. The plane jane Fox Mustang from the early years would be in the same neighborhood of the original car, too. Despite being 20 years newer, and far more substantial.


Oh? It looks like we have another insider! It's also obviously why they are apparently lopping dozens of inches off the car.

Thank you for that.


http://www.mustangii.org/tech/dim-weight.shtml

http://www.mustangspecs.com/years/78.shtml

http://www.ehow.com/list_7373419_mustang-ii-cobra-specs.html

http://www.mustangii.net/articles/mustang_too_82.asp

http://www.themustangnews.com/content/2009/07/1977-mustang-ii/#.Ui_JVsZwp8M

Forum...I know.

http://forums.mustangworks.com/f10/info-1977-cobra-ii-7469/

http://books.google.com/books?id=a9...a=X&ei=5MgvUsOXGKKTyQHkuIDgBw&ved=0CHEQ6AEwCA

http://www.howstuffworks.com/1974-1975-1976-1977-1978-ford-mustang5.htm

http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/news/hobby-news/1974_1978_ford_mustang_a_horse_of_a_different_color

http://www.fordmustangvids.com/ford-mustang-drag-race-1977-mustang-ii-vs-2003-mustang/

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_ii_king_cobra.html

http://www.project40.net/about/new-chassis.html

http://members.chello.nl/k.wijker/homepage/lilred/lilred.html




Want me to keep going? I can argue about this all day. Lets just agree there is a range depending on model and year.
 
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Not sure what V6 sedans your talking about, but the most of the cars in that category are still around 2 seconds away from 4.6. 4.6 used to be very fast, now its just fast. I personally would like to see the new Mustang GT do closer to 4 seconds than 4.6, but 4.6 is nothing to laugh at for a car that costs 30k.

Oh no, I wasn't trying to make light of the performance of the car. It's still substantial, dollar-for-dollar, but it isn't exactly leagues ahead of everything else in our world these days.

When family sedans like the Audi A4 and BMW 3-series are running in the mid 4's to 60 MPH, it's a bit odd. More traditional family sedans with V6s are in the mid 5's now, the Honda Accord being among the raciest there are.
 
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