2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

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It weights about 3,500 lbs or more, model depending. They've said 400 lbs or more is to be shed, which brings it right around the weight of the 1964-1966 models. The lightest Mustang ever was the MII at 2,600 lbs model depending. Which is why it doesn't take much to make that car go. That is what the ideal weight should be but I don't see it happening with the new one. Still too large.
 
Who said this and when?

Ford hasn't outright confirmed it, but apparently inside sources say that's what they are aiming for. Its to be expected anyways. Apparently the guys at Edmunds have seen the car and were told that it was to shed that roughly and included it in their report. I swear someone posted it here. I should have made that more clear, my bad.
 
That car shown in the picture looks like it would be a little heavier than that, unless theyve done some serious weight-shedding in terms of Carbon stuff or zero creature comforts. Doing it in Carbon would be too expensive though...
 
Playing a game of numbers I can see the Mustang dropping 400 lbs.
This of it like this... Fully loaded automatic transmission porker from previous year compared to top of the line performance model designed to drop weight and carry as few creature comforts as possible.
I can totally see a next gen stripper model shelby running 400lbs lighter than a fully loaded automatic GT (or atleast coming close).
 
Playing a game of numbers I can see the Mustang dropping 400 lbs.
This of it like this... Fully loaded automatic transmission porker from previous year compared to top of the line performance model designed to drop weight and carry as few creature comforts as possible.
I can totally see a next gen stripper model shelby running 400lbs lighter than a fully loaded automatic GT (or atleast coming close).

Exactly. But if the fully loaded Auto is 400 lbs lighter than last years, that'll be something.
 
What makes you say that? The Shelby has always been far and away the heaviest of the bunch.

I was just guessing, had no clue they would leave the highest performer as the fattest of the group. :(

In response to the post after that...
I seriously doubt they will be able to take 400lbs off the auto model compared to the lightest version of the current model but who knows, certainly not me?! :lol:

I've never thought of the mustang as a lightweight car so it really wouldn't make much a difference in my opinion. Mustangs have always been about the sound and 1/4 IMHO. 👍
(or atleast irresponsible douchery from stop light to stop light)
 
Edmunds, who spoke with a source within Ford, were talking about it losing 400Lbs, or 200 KG. The car will also be 40cm shorter and 16cm less wide. Convert it to your silly inches yourself. :P

I only have the Dutch article about it.

It is only speculation so far, but if it is true, it would be somewhat of an improvement of the Mustang.

I also notice that I have been tree'd. By roughly 15 hours.
 
Edmunds, who spoke with a source within Ford, were talking about it losing 400Lbs, or 200 KG. The car will also be 40cm shorter and 16cm less wide. Convert it to your silly inches yourself. :P

I only have the Dutch article about it.

It is only speculation so far, but if it is true, it would be somewhat of an improvement of the Mustang.

I also notice that I have been tree'd. By roughly 15 hours.

I posted that on August 15th. ;)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8742544#post8742544
 
That is ridiculously small for a Mustang. Very cool from an enthusiast point of view, but I wonder how much it'll affect its sales against its current established competitors (Camaro and Challenger)?
 
If they package the interior properly, it should actually help sales considerably. Very few people want "big" necessarily, they just want to be comfortable.
 
That is ridiculously small for a Mustang. Very cool from an enthusiast point of view, but I wonder how much it'll affect its sales against its current established competitors (Camaro and Challenger)?

I hope it will force them the same way.
Those cars are pigs. Wild boars.

Downsize them, and keep the engines. 👍
 
I hope it will force them the same way.
Those cars are pigs. Wild boars.

Downsize them, and keep the engines. 👍

I was under the impression the Camaro was the most agile of the three.
 
The Camaro is the size of a barge. It's amazing they could make a car so big and yet give it so little interior space.

Same goes for the Mustang, actually... but it's less barge-y.
 
The Camaro is the size of a barge. It's amazing they could make a car so big and yet give it so little interior space.

Same goes for the Mustang, actually... but it's less barge-y.

And the Challenger is the biggest of all three. Its a supertanker.
 
That is ridiculously small for a Mustang. Very cool from an enthusiast point of view, but I wonder how much it'll affect its sales against its current established competitors (Camaro and Challenger)?

If they package the interior properly, it should actually help sales considerably. Very few people want "big" necessarily, they just want to be comfortable.

HUH isn't the whole point of pony cars to be small, IMHO the current car is way to big and heavy.
Can't be that small considering the physical size of the Mustang II and Fox Bodies. Even SN-95 and New Edges are kinda of small, but not like MII's and Foxes.

Lets compare the MII and Foxes vs the modern Mustang.


Mustang II...the smallest Mustang ever built excluding width.

Length: 175"
Width: 70.2"
Height: 49.9"
Wheelbase: 96.2"
Weight: 2,714 lbs - 2,754 lbs

I won't even go into the interior. It has a comfortable amount of space. Quite generous. This is the size and weight minus the wheelbase that we need again and it is definitely possible.


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Fox Body

Length: 179.6"
Width: 68/69" years depending
Height: 52"
Wheelbase: 100.6"
Weight: 3,191 lbs - 3,750 lbs

So yes the Fox is just as much of a pig as the modern Mustangs.

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2013 Mustang GT


Length: 188.5"
Height: 55.8" - 56.1"
Width: 80.1"
Wheelbase: 107.1"
Weight: 3,401 - 3,575 lbs

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2013 Shelby GT500


Length: 189.4"
Height: 55.1"
Width: 80.1"
Wheelbase: 107.1"
Weight: 3,940 lbs


The GT500 is a pig...so imagine that 662 horsepower in a lighter car...factory stock, it would wheelie from a dead stop.


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And the Challenger is the biggest of all three. Its a supertanker.
They are straight line quick though.
 
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Nope. It has more stability than the Mustang, and is more nimble than the Challanger.
All 3 are planning on smaller sizes.

Depends on a lot of variables here.

Tweaks to the Mustang's chassis since it's initial release in '05 have made it a substantially better handling car than it once was. Although people love to complain about the live rear axle, as I recall, the most-recent updates for '13 made it almost unremarkable.

The Challenger, circa 2009, had a pretty reasonable setup, but the Mercedes designs made it quite large and quite heavy. Diamler-Chrysler made it a point not to sell the car as a sporty option, it seemed to be meant only as a cruiser with some serious muscle under the hood. As much as SRT would love to tout the fact that it's a capable car, it really isn't.

The Camaro on the other hand has the most "modern" chassis of the the three, but it came out of the very end of the "old GM" lifespan. It's heavy, very heavy, but it's a true independent rear suspension, multiple links all over, and all that jazz. Early Camaros were hammered for being a bit vague feel wise, although I believe it's been updated quite a bit, especially for the '14 model.


Like most cars these days, your trim level will determine performance. On the whole, yes, I'd agree with you. But, models like the 1LE, GT Track Pack, and so on, turn things around a bit.
 
A loaded automatic V8 convertible GT in the last few years it was manufactured was heavy, yes. The 400-500 pound deficit that particular (and only) body style had over the all of the other ones because of all of the extra bracing needed for the already not-particularly-stiff chassis notwithstanding, the Fox body was hardly what I would call "just as much of a pig as the modern Mustangs" since it still weighed around 3100 pounds at a time where it's contemporaries (including the Camaro) were starting to push 3400 already. And it was a bit lighter than that in the first half of its life before the quad headlights were tossed in '86 (and was lighter than the Mustang II at first).




In fact, far be it from me to question Mr. Ford, but:

They've said 400 lbs or more is to be shed, which brings it right around the weight of the 1964-1966 models. The lightest Mustang ever was the MII at 2,600 lbs model depending.

None of this is true either. In addition to the Fox body initially being lighter than the Mustang II; the original two years, before Ford set about widening the Falcon chassis to accept bigger engines in 1967, were also lighter than the Mustang II. Especially when they both had the optional V8s, which required all sorts of extra bracing on the II since it was never designed for it. Part of that is because of 5 mph bumpers and emissions equipment, most of that is because the Mustang II was a car designed in the early 1970s when American manufacturers simply did not care about making things light if it meant they had to sacrifice a single inch of whorehouse red carpeting or opera windows. Even just getting the V6 would push the weight up to 3000 pounds. The V8, like the Cobra II you posted, was a couple hundred pounds heavier than that.
 
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I think that a smaller lighter Mustang would be a big boost in sales compared to the Camaro and Challenger. Same with ditching the retro styling. The market seems ripe for it.

The GT500 is a pig...so imagine that 662 horsepower in a lighter car...factory stock, it would wheelie from a dead stop.

They are straight line quick though.

Not with factory stock tires.
 
Yeah, that thing would roast the factory tires. Easily lay thick black stripes all the way through first gear and maybe even halfway though second. Would be great fun until the bill came in.
 
A loaded automatic V8 convertible GT in the last few years it was manufactured was heavy, yes. The 400-500 pound deficit that particular (and only) body style had over the all of the other ones because of all of the extra bracing needed for the already not-particularly-stiff chassis notwithstanding, the Fox body was hardly what I would call "just as much of a pig as the modern Mustangs" since it still weighed around 3100 pounds at a time where it's contemporaries (including the Camaro) were starting to push 3400 already. And it was a bit lighter than that in the first half of its life before the quad headlights were tossed in '86 (and was lighter than the Mustang II at first).

In fact, far be it from me to question Mr. Ford, but:

None of this is true either. In addition to the Fox body initially being lighter than the Mustang II; the original two years, before Ford set about widening the Falcon chassis to accept bigger engines in 1967, were also lighter than the Mustang II. Especially when they both had the optional V8s, which required all sorts of extra bracing on the II since it was never designed for it. Part of that is because of 5 mph bumpers and emissions equipment, most of that is because the Mustang II was a car designed in the early 1970s when American manufacturers simply did not care about making things light if it meant they had to sacrifice a single inch of whorehouse red carpeting or opera windows. Even just getting the V6 would push the weight up to 3000 pounds. The V8, like the Cobra II you posted, was a couple hundred pounds heavier than that.
Have you ever weighed one? They are light as hell!! I have had one weighed with a loaded 302 right in front of me and with a half a tank of gas it clocked 2,800 with a 1984 302 out of a Fox. This is my friends blue Cobra II. They have a scale for their dry Cars they race for regulation. Headers, carb, intake and cam had that car running high 8s in the 1/8th at around 75/80mph on 6 inch wide tires. Most foxes run 10s with comparable mods and wider tires and hit mid 9s on slicks. This is why it doesnt take a lot to get that car to go and it had highway gears in it! That car can and will light them up rolling in 3rd gear. They weigh much less than the fox and hundreds of sources confirm this :lol:

Even still 3000 lbs is one of the lightest of the bunch. Having worked on both cars and seeing them all the time and even riding around a tossing them the fox feels way heavier.
I think that a smaller lighter Mustang would be a big boost in sales compared to the Camaro and Challenger. Same with ditching the retro styling. The market seems ripe for it.

Not with factory stock tires.
No but with slicks yes.

Yeah, that thing would roast the factory tires. Easily lay thick black stripes all the way through first gear and maybe even halfway though second. Would be great fun until the bill came in.

It already does that I think :lol:
 
Clearly I have to be the one to say it...

Ford does not give a crap about how much the mustang weighs.

More over, the weight of the car isn't going to change sales.
HP might, but weight will not...

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There's your bridge, now get over it.

(btw, mileage might change sales and weight does change mileage, maybe they will play with the numbers but at the end of the day no sane person buys a mustang to act as a prius and I'm sure Ford knows that)
 
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