2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[Dennisch]

Well, as long as they get the weight down as they told it would be, it's all good in my book. A Mustang will be a Mustang, and I just can't like them, styling wise.

 

[YSSMAN]

That's all I really care about at this point in time - How well has Ford delivered on the weight loss and the decrease in size? As of right now, I'm not entirely certain if it shrunk all that much.

On top of all of that, that most-certainly looks like a GT. It'll be quite a while until we see a special edition Mach 1, I'd bet.

 

[ND4SPD]

What is a 10R?

Ford nomenclature for transmissions. The number followed by the letter followed by another number determine how many speeds, for what drivetrain and what torque rating it can take.

At my job we build parts for Ford's 6R140 transmission. Which means, 6 speed. R for rear wheel drive platform and 140 for the torque rating. Which would be 1400 ft lbs in my case since our transmissions go into Ford Superduty's.

 

[Slash]

Ford nomenclature for transmissions. The number followed by the letter followed by another number determine how many speeds, for what drivetrain and what torque rating it can take.

At my job we build parts for Ford's 6R140 transmission. Which means, 6 speed. R for rear wheel drive platform and 140 for the torque rating. Which would be 1400 ft lbs in my case since our transmissions go into Ford Superduty's.

Sounds about right. I've seen tests where they put about 800hp and 1,200 lb-ft of torque through them before they start to slip.

 

[Tornado]

Having (extremely) vague styling links to previous cars having the nameplate is "way too retro" now? Just buy a Genesis coupe already.

 

[Joey D]

Having (extremely) vague styling links to previous cars having the nameplate is "way too retro" now? Just buy a Genesis coupe already.

To me it looks like they changed the headlights slightly and added some LED DRL's. It still looks too retro, which I find to be a shame because I'm willing to bet this latest generation of Mustang will be the best one yet in terms of performance.

And I'll pass on the Genesis, that car was pretty underwhelming when I drove it.

 

[Tornado]

Then buy a G37. If merely having elements from the past integrated into the design passes for "retro" nowadays and is thus cause for derision, you were never going to like it because they were never going to go all Probe on the thing.

 

[Dennisch]

Then buy a G37. If merely having elements from the past integrated into the design passes for "retro" nowadays and is thus cause for derision, you were never going to like it because they were never going to go all Probe on the thing.

Yes. FWD Mustang ftw.

 

[Joey D]

Then buy a G37. If merely having elements from the past integrated into the design passes for "retro" nowadays, you were never going to like it from the start.

That's untrue, I've been excited for this generation Mustang for a while. But this really looks like they just changed the headlights and added some LED's (assuming the C&D image is the actual car) to the current generation and called it good, which I find disappointing.

The Evos concept looked great and it looks like Ford strayed to far away from that design.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Then buy a G37. If merely having elements from the past integrated into the design passes for "retro" nowadays and is thus cause for derision, you were never going to like it because they were never going to go all Probe on the thing.

Interestingly, one of my friends, who is in his 60s and was a participant in the original muscle car era, recently bought a used G35. He said he didn't want a Mustang because he would feel like he was trying to relive part of his life.

 

[terminator363]

That last magazine photo looked awful

 

[Slash]

That's untrue, I've been excited for this generation Mustang for a while. But this really looks like they just changed the headlights and added some LED's (assuming the C&D image is the actual car) to the current generation and called it good, which I find disappointing.

The Evos concept looked great and it looks like Ford strayed to far away from that design.

To you maybe, but to a lot of people, the Evos looked horrendous. I'm still not too keen on this new Mustang. It just looks strange.

 

[Joey D]

To you maybe, but to a lot of people, the Evos looked horrendous. I'm still not too keen on this new Mustang. It just looks strange.

And to many people the current generation Mustang looks like hell. What exactly is your point?

I'm was just giving my thoughts on it's looks based on the C&D magazine.

 

[Tornado]

But this really looks like they just changed the headlights and added some LED's (assuming the C&D image is the actual car) to the current generation and called it good, which I find disappointing

Seems closer to the Evos than the current car to me; particularly when taking into account some of the things about the Evos were dictated/justified by the typical stupid extraneous concept car features that would have had to been toned down or eliminated outright if Ford ever made the thing into a production car (the shape of the greenhouse and the massive lower sills on the doors, for example). Greenhouse is much closer to the Evos, even taking the Evos "awesome" doors into account. Overall proportions are closer to the Evos (with the rear overhang being the exception, since it seems to split the difference). Detailing (door sills and especially bumper treatment) is much more complex and similar to the Evos compared to the slab-sided current car. Front end design is quite similar to the Evos (with the large sweep to the sides of the grill) compared to the fairly flat current car; with the main difference being in detailing.



Now, you've certainly thrown the word around quite a bit:

It's really time for them to evolve the design out of the retro phase since the retro design cues are no longer in favor like they once were.

That front is still way to retro for me to even remotely think it's a good design right now. Obviously I'll have to wait to see the full car, but my optimism is falling fast.

It looks retro and boring at the same time. Its going to make a lovely, overpriced rental car I suppose

Pretty much. It's like they tried to keep it retro to satisfy the fat, bald, old dudes wanting to relive their past but at the same time they tried to "update" it.

They should just make it look modern and quit trying to live in the past. That's going to be the Mustang's biggest downfall I think.

That still looks way too retro, what a shame.

Which is largely why I don't believe you ever would have been satisfied with what Ford came up with because they never would have come up with something that you were looking for.


But since I'm seeing a car with tidy, much more modern proportions with (admittedly not always cohesively implemented) butched up elements that slightly (and in a couple spots, not so slightly) reference the same car that the 2005 (and to a lesser extent, 2010) Mustang basically copied; and you're apparently seeing the exact same car Ford has sold for the past 8 years, I have to know what exactly about the C&D render is "retro." The taillights (and the stupid Berger panel) I'll give you, but I'm guessing they will be much better integrated on the actual car than "pulled of a completely different car" look that have in that render.

 

[Slash]

And to many people the current generation Mustang looks like hell. What exactly is your point?

I'm was just giving my thoughts on it's looks based on the C&D magazine.

I'd be willing to bet many more people like the current one more than the new one coming out.

 

[Tornado]

We don't even really know what the new one coming out will look like...

 

[Slash]

We don't even really know what the new one coming out will look like...

True, but I think we have enough of an idea based on the renders an that magazine cover to get a good feel for it. Remember how close that one Jalopnik render for the C7 corvette was to the real thing?

Gauging from what I've seen around the net, its going to be another Mustang II as far as splitting supporters. There is more people saying its ugly and they should have left it alone than people saying they like t. You can find that anywhere.

 

[Tornado]

The Jalopnik render was an actual CAD drawing leaked from one of the parts suppliers (to the extent that GM went lawyer crazy on everyone who showed it). Not really the same thing as this one.

 

[Joey D]

Seems closer to the Evos than the current car to me

I'm just not seeing it. The Evos looks modern while still having similar profile to what people think a Mustang should look like. The C&D picture just looks too similar to the current generation and doesn't really show a big leap in design like the fourth to fifth generations did.

Which is largely why I don't believe you ever would have been satisfied with what Ford came up with because they never would have come up with something that you were looking for.

The option of a 4 cylinder and a potentially lighter car is definitely something I'm looking for with a sports car. I just feel like Ford is really making a good car, that I would be interested in buying, but I think it's going to be let down by the design. I was hoping for more of an Evos, wishful thinking probably .

I have to know what exactly about the C&D render is "retro." The taillights (and the stupid Berger panel) I'll give you, but I'm guessing they will be much better integrated on the actual car than "pulled of a completely different car" look that have in that render.

The front just looks very similar to the current generation Mustang with the headlight changed around and some LED DRL's on it. The hood, the side lines, even the profile doesn't look all that different to me based on the C&D picture. The rear in the other rendering looks exactly the same, but it's hard to say what the C&D article will show.

I'd be willing to bet many more people like the current one more than the new one coming out.

Anecdotal evidence isn't really going to prove anything. I could probably find just as many people that say they hate the design as I could find that love it. Sales are really going to be the only solid evidence we will have.

 

[Slash]

Maybe, but I doubt itd be as easy.

 

[Tornado]

That's... missing his point.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

360 view is out and to me the front or at least the lower grill reminds me of the Infiniti Q50

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2015-ford-mustang-leaked-360-view-and-full-details-news

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Looks pretty similar to the current one to me. Not bad, I guess, just a bit familiar.

 

[Slash]

I'll have to check the link later. First impressions are meh. Bit soft.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Comparing with this image:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/roadt...t_test/38710939/2013-Ford-Mustang-GT-side.jpg

The front and rear overhangs are massively shorter. I'm not sure if the scale is correct, though; I matched the wheel sizes, and most everything matched up to the existing car (with maybe a marginal increase in wheelbase). With the rendering, the seats are noticeably larger than the real car though, so I'm wondering if maybe it is a much smaller car than the existing model. Hmmmm.

That said, it's noticeably cleaner, I forgot how much detailing the current car has.

 

[Badasp5.0]

I like it but it does look a lot like the current car. Granted C&D has to be taken with a grain of salt back when the '10 redesign was coming out they touted a concept which was not even close to the '10.

 

[Omnis]

This car has Kardashian booty. Why so round?

 

[Dennisch]

Wanted to post this yesterday but the site swap came quicker than expected.

That burgundy red Evos concept with the large sloping rear could make for a nice new Mach 1.

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

I'm not sure if I like it really. It looks like something I will warm to the more I see it. Not fond of the wheels. Also the front end looks too squashed. The bottom grille shouldn't be there and the front looks too much like a Fusion/Mondeo.

Hopefully the actual 2015 model is different to this, the Mustang actually comes to Europe with a V8 if the car magazines are to be believed and if Ford FINALLY sort out that 20 year old problem of the rear wheels being far too thin.

 

[Omnis]

The bottom grill isn't the problem. The problem is there is no front bumper to speak of. None of that traditional lip.