2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion
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True but the '80s ones and beyond were really horrid.I would've said Taurus platform instead of Fusion, but I forgot about the Taurus...
More than just mid 80s to '02, they made FWD cars in the late 60s as well.
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My two cents on the opening post.
I'm not a huge fan of Mustangs. Well, I'm not a fan at all. But still, I think they are really good looking cars, especially with the retro outfit. That being said, that 2015 concept is atrocious. It's really ugly. That may be a good thing. Less Mustangs to ram the road in a nearby future.
I'm not a huge fan of Mustangs. Well, I'm not a fan at all. But still, I think they are really good looking cars, especially with the retro outfit. That being said, that 2015 concept is atrocious. It's really ugly. That may be a good thing. Less Mustangs to ram the road in a nearby future.
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Yes and no.
Keep in mind that Cadillac going completely front-wheel-drive was a big step in a bit of a "sign of the times" change in the mid-'70s. Going front drive allowed them to make even larger interiors, and overall, sell on some kind of idea that they were more fuel efficient than the competition. As much as we laugh at the idea of a front-wheel-drive, 500ci, Cadillac El Dorado it was the norm. And it worked... Until the Germans were taken seriously in the US, and then it all went downhill.
Today, I feel it is more or less a case-by-case basis. By any and all sense of measure, the S-Class and the 7-Series are the absolute definitions of luxury and performance and I doubt that much of anything is going to change that. But, attempting to think of brands that have front-wheel-drive models as their top choices, technically speaking, it's only Cadillac, Lincoln and Acura playing that game - and all of those vehicles are sold as all-wheel-drive models. In the case of Cadillac, ask anyone at GM, and I think they'd be pretty quick to say that the XTS isn't the flagship model, and would probably point you over to the CTS for that duty at the moment.
Overall, I think you have to consider what exactly Americans define as a luxury experience at this point. Far more often than not, it seems that while outside the US it is a preference toward being chauffeured, it seems that Americans tend to lean more toward isolated comfort. But even then, the luxury segment is stretched so wide these days, it's difficult to place a lot of the all-wheel-drive models against much of it's foreign competition. Its not ridiculous to place something like the MKS or the XTS at or near the top of the heap to the average person... But, we aren't average people on here.
RE: A Lincoln Personal Luxury Coupe or Sedan
All of this depends on the kind of image that the "Lincoln Motor Company" wants to create. As of now, it seems that they're hanging their hat on flowing styles with upscale personas - not necessarily a Cadillac competitor directly, but more than happy to knock gloves with Lexus, Acura and Volvo. If that's the case, I'm not entirely sure if Ford will be willing to pull the trigger on something that interesting, particularly when they seem to be so dead-set on introducing fairly okay vehicles.
Assuming that they were to go ahead with the project, I think the straightforward way to go would be to jump on the sedan-coupe trend ala the Volkswagen CC/Audi A7/Mercedes CLS/etc. Base it on the Mustang chassis, and give it a decent stretch. Something the size of the A7 would be perfect, I'd think, even with rear-drive as the only available option. I'd avoid going with V8 power initially, and offer only EcoBoost I4 and V6 engines. The 300+ BHP 2.3L unit would be more than acceptable as a base point, topped off with a 400+ BHP V6 to possibly be it's own tweaked unit based on the one currently offered in the MKS. Overall, I'd want the style to do its best to emulate the MKZ in a more muscular fashion. To this day, the MKZ is still a head-turner for me, and I think the overall style could translate well to something larger. Other than that, keep it simple. Equip it competitively ala Acura, with lots of standard features. Tune the ride to be supple, don't try to go overboard with the sportiness. Its a Lincoln, and nothing is going to change it. If it does well, and people demand it, offer a sport package later on... But don't go crazy. Kick it out the door in the mid $40k range with the EcoBoost I4, and I think you've got an interesting case.
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If Lincoln wants to be serious, they need to make the Town Car again. Old people LOVE THAT ****. I mean, they just LOVE it.
Forget the MKxyz, they need to make luxobarges and lux SUVs. Make a Continental that owns the S class and Lexus. Hyundai can do it with Equus. Makes no sense that Lincoln can't compete.
Lincoln needs to fire all of its designers though. The biggest problem with them is they do things that wind up looking chintzy and stupid. All their new cars age terribly. The MKZ already looks like a technobean and the interior is soooo stupid. Old people HATE buttons and technology.
Of course, they're so dumb that they're going to miss their entire market by the time they come out with a product. Nobody that loved the Town Car will be around in 20 years.
Now, then... Mustang thread.
Forget the MKxyz, they need to make luxobarges and lux SUVs. Make a Continental that owns the S class and Lexus. Hyundai can do it with Equus. Makes no sense that Lincoln can't compete.
Lincoln needs to fire all of its designers though. The biggest problem with them is they do things that wind up looking chintzy and stupid. All their new cars age terribly. The MKZ already looks like a technobean and the interior is soooo stupid. Old people HATE buttons and technology.
Of course, they're so dumb that they're going to miss their entire market by the time they come out with a product. Nobody that loved the Town Car will be around in 20 years.
Now, then... Mustang thread.
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This is really cool and all, but seriously the only thing that baffles me is to even have the ecoboost engine. Let alone turbocharge it. The point of having a mustang is for having a V8 muscle car...well it was before it became more of a fashion statement. And the point of an ecoboost engine is...well economy. Turbocharging it can't really help now can it? I guess I understand that they wanna make the mustang for a broader audience, especially since that's going to Europe too...but they're gonna want the V8 more. They probably care more about the V8 than us Americans do anyway XD
I dunno, I just think Ford should leave it at a performance V8 car. Toning it down for the rich girl kinda ruins it imo. Looks great though and I bet the V8'll drive well though.
I dunno, I just think Ford should leave it at a performance V8 car. Toning it down for the rich girl kinda ruins it imo. Looks great though and I bet the V8'll drive well though.
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I'm all for a straight up bitchin' V8 pony car, but there are some places in the world were it's just not economical, period, end of discussion. Why not appeal to those who want a sharp looking car with good performance by offering the 300+ horsepower V6 and turbo I4. More money in it for Ford since not every Mustang buyer is going to by a V8 car. Look at all the V6 cars running around still. Ford's sales aren't exactly what they were in the 1960's, but they'd be a lot less if they didn't have those options. Not every car needs a V8 you know 
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But it has a V8. Your argument is invalid.
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The Mustang was always a fashiony car. There just happened to be 2-3 V8 muscle cars that were Mustang based.
It's been pretty much the same since it came out. Cheaper flashy cars for normal people, muscular sports cars for
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Do you know that all EcoBoost engines are turbocharged?
Turbos give you more power and don't effect fuel economy that much.
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Turbos increase efficiency, full stop. As in BSFC.
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Efficiency in what?
IMHO, turbos allow engines to be more diverse, capable if you will...
They allow an engine to go from a low combustion ratio to a high combustion ratio, how that is used is up to the company and likewise affects both economy and power.
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You just proved with this one post that you don't know squat.
Don't forget that the Mustang wasn't always a "V8 Muscle Car". And I highly doubt a 320+ horsepower turbo 4-cylinder will make it "rich girl" car.
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Really starting to fall in love with the car now.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/8301-34133_5...he-2015-ford-mustang-cnet-on-cars-episode-34/
http://cnettv.cnet.com/8301-34133_5...he-2015-ford-mustang-cnet-on-cars-episode-34/
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I dunno. Watching that video, it really pissed me off when they got to the interior. There are so many little things that just annoy me. Pretty much everything they described as being true to mustang or what mustang owners want is complete nonsense. Mustang owners don't know their ass from their elbow about good interiors, and the mustang's interior has always been a lump of cud-spat horse excrement. So, the hell with tradition and what uncouth neanderthals want.
They should've scrapped everything and made this new car a pioneer on the inside. Something that's actually good.
They should've scrapped everything and made this new car a pioneer on the inside. Something that's actually good.
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