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[Weider]

It's in a part of the track that really isn't suitable for passing Arty.

L1 UA had to slow for D15 I believe.

I wasn't trying to get pass on L33, but got brake checked, have a look!

UA did slow down for D1, but I am wondering why he didn't accelerate... he could just have stayed behind D1 if he wasn't accelerating...

Anyways I accept a penalty for Lap 1, just bemused why it is a grid penalty and why other obvious offenders haven't been penalised for their transgressions

 

[Spectate Man]

It's in a part of the track that really isn't suitable for passing Arty.

L1 UA had to slow for D15 I believe.

Actually I had to slow down at start because the car in front was very slow.
At least this is what I saw from the race.

 

[pisquali]

No matter what the blue flag should always be respected. There could be a battle going on. And in every race track you drive there is an opportunity to go off the racing line. That is how real racing is

You're right, respected. I'm specially referencing the top side of Bathurst, which is basically a 1 lane road. So, let's try to keep this argument in context. At other tracks, there's not much of an excuse for not yielding...I'm in agreement

 

[RacingHardTV]

Hello everyone,

I want to sign up

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I take any spot available. (Could even do the stewards role, like it to review races and find solutions...)

See you on the track.

 

[GT_Vette]

Anyways I accept a penalty for Lap 1, just bemused why it is a grid penalty and why other obvious offenders haven't been penalised for their transgressions

Some incidents were minor and few. I also don't have the time to see everything. Why are you not getting this?

 

[Weider]

Some incidents were minor and few. I also don't have the time to see everything. Why are you not getting this?

Because I was singled out for 1 incident that was no worse than T2 L1, and then I get brake checked by a back marker who didn't blue flag for over a lap and that sealed the penalty for me.

I understand your don't have all the hours in the day but some things were glaringly obvious. And lap 33 in my case clear as day.

 

[Weider]

You're right, respected. I'm specially referencing the top side of Bathurst, which is basically a 1 lane road. So, let's try to keep this argument in context. At other tracks, there's not much of an excuse for not yielding...I'm in agreement

Next time pull over for the lead car instead of being an obstruction for over a lap.

 

[Cb]

Ua: you are missing my point. Even at the hairpin in Monaco it is possible to let another driver by. Just pull the car into the side of the road, this is very common in motorsports. Normally a driver who will not respect the blue flag risks being penalised

 

[pisquali]

arty, if it was such big friggin deal why did u wait until u got a penalty u didn't like to whine about it. Report ALL incidents as stated in the rules. Did u not read them? I'd have gladly taken a penalty on something I caused that was reported, reviewed, & handed down. 1st you say, "sorry I made u crash UA". Then u get a penalty & all of a sudden I caused u to crash into me. Pull it together. Pieritis was blocking me, I reported it, no action was taken...oh well. You don't see me cryin about it. And CB, I didn't miss anything. I'm just not that good of a driver. 1 year in the game & 6 months on a wheel. U guys have been playing for years...lol. If I could put my car where I wanted to at the drop of a hat without crashing, I probably wouldn't be getting lapped in the first place. I'll work on it, of course. If anyone wants another driver to be penalised...please please follow the rules/guidelines & report it.

 

[Weider]

arty, if it was such big friggin deal why did u wait until u got a penalty u didn't like to whine about it. Report ALL incidents as stated in the rules. Did u not read them? I'd have gladly taken a penalty on something I caused that was reported, reviewed, & handed down. 1st you say, "sorry I made u crash UA". Then u get a penalty & all of a sudden I caused u to crash into me. Pull it together. Pieritis was blocking me, I reported it, no action was taken...oh well. You don't see me cryin about it. And CB, I didn't miss anything. I'm just not that good of a driver. 1 year in the game & 6 months on a wheel. U guys have been playing for years...lol. If I could put my car where I wanted to at the drop of a hat without crashing, I probably wouldn't be getting lapped in the first place. I'll work on it, of course. If anyone wants another driver to be penalised...please please follow the rules/guidelines & report it.

Have a look at Lap 1, previously I didn't view it from your car. You moved into my car's path when I was full throttle and you were at very little throttle. D1 spun his tyres but recovered, but you over anticipated it and jerked your car into my path, I had a split second to react and didn't. I had thought you were accelerating but no, you blocked me, even if it was unwittingly.

On top of that, a few laps later you did the same thing at the same place behind Peir and went flying off the track by your own accord, so check yourself.

Then lap 11 you hit Peir pretty hard lap 11 and then Lap 12 you spun behind him, he did nothing to you at all and yet you stopped your car and swore in the room. Shameful.

Then lap 23 or so you were holding up Prz for over a lap, that ended when he spun off the track in frustration and we came together as I tried to avoid him.

Lap 33, by then I had you ignored blue flags for a whole lap, and then entered the corner I hit you at extremely low speed, my telemetry shows I was much slower there, by almost 33% trying to not hit you - you were normally faster through there but you went wide and then did something odd by braking heavy (see Andro Lap 1 for similar, and how he handled it) - I wasn't trying to pass there, why else would I hit you square on from the back. You were too slow, blocked me and I got a penalty because you report the incident and then you gloat about it after crying all race.

The evidence is there to see.

 

[Weider]

And no, I don't report all incidents if any because I like to think I am racing with many friends.

But when Immortal goes unpunished for incidents in Lap 1 which affected the outcome of the race (Evo's fastest lap in the first stint was a 34.0 as a result)

Agro goes unpunished for pushing D1 out of the way Lap 2 losing D1 two places, and then pushes Andro out of the way at the end of the lap, losing him two places as well.

And your shocking behaviour to a fellow driver who You Hit and he didn't hit you.

Yet myself and Evo are singled out...

Then I do react.

 

[pisquali]

And no, I don't report all incidents if any because I like to think I am racing with many friends.

But when Immortal goes unpunished for incidents in Lap 1 which affected the outcome of the race (Evo's fastest lap in the first stint was a 34.0 as a result)

Agro goes unpunished for pushing D1 out of the way Lap 2 losing D1 two places, and then pushes Andro out of the way at the end of the lap, losing him two places as well.

And your shocking behaviour to a fellow driver who You Hit and he didn't hit you.

Yet myself and Evo are singled out...

Then I do react.

 

[pisquali]

Dude, take your medication...lol

 

[Weider]

Dude, take your medication...lol

I present facts, you personal attacks...

 

[Spectate Man]

Maybe the penalty system need some some tweaking in order to make it fair to everyone, for example:
Every driver should report every type of incident involving himself and someone else, then the stewards will review every incident from every driver individualy and will see if there will be any further action.
About lapping, there is no information about a faster car being behind you to leave room and when racing with someone else it won't be to easy to look behind and race at the same time, so there will be a small time before anyone realizes that a car is behind, unless he is blocking the faster car, that is a penalty.

 

[ScuderiaLucas]

Let's try to calm down a bit here...
Just report every incident you are in and see and it will make a big difference:tup:.
If you guys want to have this argument I recommend not doing it on the thread either.

@GT_Vette I won't be able to make the race this weekend sadly.

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

And no, I don't report all incidents if any because I like to think I am racing with many friends.

But when Immortal goes unpunished for incidents in Lap 1 which affected the outcome of the race (Evo's fastest lap in the first stint was a 34.0 as a result)

Agro goes unpunished for pushing D1 out of the way Lap 2 losing D1 two places, and then pushes Andro out of the way at the end of the lap, losing him two places as well.

And your shocking behaviour to a fellow driver who You Hit and he didn't hit you.

Yet myself and Evo are singled out...

Then I do react.

I do not recall this incident, it must have been clean/racing incident, outherwise I'd have remembered it....

 

[GT_Vette]

Let's try to calm down a bit here...
Just report every incident you are in and see and it will make a big difference:tup:.
If you guys want to have this argument I recommend not doing it on the thread either.

@GT_Vette I won't be able to make the race this weekend sadly.

I couldn't agree more. Whining for three days straight in this thread is not good for interest. I'm done with race 2. So if anyone wants to waste their breath, do it on a private conversation. Now on to Fuji...

No worries man. We'll hope to see you at Monaco

 

[Weider]

I couldn't agree more. Whining for three days straight in this thread is not good for interest. I'm done with race 2. So if anyone wants to waste their breath, do it on a private conversation. Now on to Fuji...

No worries man. We'll hope to see you at Monaco

Someone points out your errors and you wash your hands of it.

I've moved on to the next race since the end of the last but to be penalised for two incidents, where 1 was definitely wasn't my fault (being blocked) because it was reported by the guy who caused it, is ridiculous.

What message are you sending to Immortal?

You can push people out of the way with no consequences.

And yourself?

I am a steward, I did nothing wrong.

And UA?

Blame everyone else for his bad driving.

 

[Weider]

I do not recall this incident, it must have been clean/racing incident, outherwise I'd have remembered it....

Trust UA to like this post, probably didn't review Argo's laps, but he did lose you two positions by pushing your car out of the way.

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

Trust UA to like this post, probably didn't review Argo's laps, but he did lose you two positions by pushing your car out of the way.

I have been looking at the incidents Evo was involved in, and came to pretty much the same conclution as agro. only difference was that I wanted to give IP a warning for first lap incident aswell. And when I was at it, I was looking at this incident aswell, and I really cant say agro did anything wrong there.

 

[Weider]

I have been looking at the incidents Evo was involved in, and came to pretty much the same conclution as agro. only difference was that I wanted to give IP a warning for first lap incident aswell. And when I was at it, I was looking at this incident aswell, and I really cant say agro did anything wrong there.

Agro pushed your car out of the way, if that is allowed I'll do it.

IP hasn't even got a warning let alone a penalty.

If Agro did nothing wrong then my lap 1 incident was a racing incident and did not merit a grid place penalty.

You cannot have it both ways, treat every one fairly.

 

[RacingLine]

Lap 1 & last lap were the same kind of incidents but with different outcome, what if i had went head on into the barrier and come to a complete halt ? Would you stewards have bothered then?

But atleast we know its ok to do that on lap 1 rather than last lap, bring on Fuji.

When there were tons of ignored blue flags and contact, I along with arty feel like a target.

Even if I had surrendered last lap and tried to make my case afterwards it sucks to hear you think its not even worth a warning

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

@RacingLine : you where not penalized for lap 1 at all, your penalties came later.
And the difference between first lap and last lap incident between you and IP was that IP was up alongside you when he was overtaking, you where not. You just braked later, and with pure luck I'd say, came out on top.


@Weider : from what I saw, I do think IP deserves a warning, yes, but not a penalty.

 

[RacingLine]

I wasn't alongside? You sure you seen the same replay?

@RacingLine : you where not penalized for lap 1 at all, your penalties came later.
And the difference between first lap and last lap incident between you and IP was that IP was up alongside you when he was overtaking, you where not. You just braked later, and with pure luck I'd say, came out on top.

To overtake on the outside you need to brake later ? Thats what i did at T2. Call it whatever you want.

Lol a warning? Yeah says alot of the future of this series

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

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I was alongside? You sure you seen the same replay?



To overtake on the outside you need to brake later ? Thats what i did at T2. Call it whatever you want.

Lol a warning? Yeah says alot of the future of this series

Both me and Agro are impartial and unbiased in this matter, as we where not near you guys, and you're both part of our team, why do you think we came to the same conclution?
And, if anything, I would favour you, and you know why.

 

[Weider]

Both me and Agro are impartial and unbiased in this matter, as we where not near you guys, and you're both part of our team, why do you think we came to the same conclution?
And, if anything, I would favour you, and you know why.

It's not about favouritism, it's about fairness.

Evo rightfully got a time penalty - so should IP.

I got a grid penalty for Lap 1 and Lap 33 - one which was definitely not my fault (and UA should have got a penalty for it, unbelievable) and the first a racing incident at the most, given other incidents were called race incidents.

I saw a few bad things but no warnings, no penalties for those drivers and I barely looked at many laps.

If this stewarding is going to be who cried the loudest, or who's who's buddy, etc it is farcical.

I never even got a chance to challenge Lap 33 decision. I didn't even think about reporting UA for ignoring blue flags or for blocking me but clearly he plays by a nastier set of rules.

And the decision was to penalise me for that, I mean how? How can I avoid a car which suddenly brakes way too much in a corner. Who also was a backmarker and had ample space and time to let me pass. And because I didn't stop my car and swear in the room at another driver thus loosing time like UA did, a time penalty wasn't given, but a grid penalty - which benefits UA, who should have got a penalty.

And UA is a steward that is meant to review the other steward, he clearly hasn't reviewed the footage properly because lap 2 would at least be a warning or a penalty, or maybe he has, and it stinks.

Hoping for a clean race and a clean aftermath at Fuji.

 

[RacingLine]

@GT_Vette remember our practice race ? When you were in my position for T2? You drove around the outside because we always have mutual respect for eachother, only then will it work

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

I have only reviewed Evo and IP, I have not reviewed your incidents Arty, and my conclution was that Evo deserved a penalty, and IP deserved a warning, thats all.

I also think its time to move on. His decicion is final.

 

[GT_Vette]

After discussing with the other stewards, we found that it would be best to include the following penalties:

Warning: Immortal - for L1 T2, avoidable contact.

One grid spot penalty: Agro - for L28 pit entry, avoidable contact.

The following will be bumped one position for tomorrow:
Agro
Arty
Evo