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[Malcolm Tucker]

Why not just have 2 race lobbies, and give points from 1st to last across the 2 rooms?

If you're having a second lobby for non-championship anyways why not make that room be "lobby 2" and have lower points, while giving those in Lobby 1 some extra points to play for?

I like that, so positions in lobby 2 would effectively be classified as 17th, 18th, 19th and so on for that round. Gives everyone something to play for and it's easy to implement, open the sign ups to a maximum of 32 and double the points to 32 points for 1st place down to 1 point for 32nd 👍

 

[Pubs16]

I like that, so positions in lobby 2 would effectively be classified as 17th, 18th, 19th and so on for that round. Gives everyone something to play for and it's easy to implement, open the sign ups to a maximum of 32 and double the points to 32 points for 1st place down to 1 point for 32nd 👍

Hmm could create controversy though? What if 1st place in the championship has a shocker couple qualifiers for which lobby to go in, getting stuck at 17th, there's no way for him to make up more points than from 17th though? If you get what I mean for example? Just a thought...

 

[Malcolm Tucker]

Hmm could create controversy though? What if 1st place in the championship has a shocker couple qualifiers for which lobby to go in, getting stuck at 17th, there's no way for him to make up more points than from 17th though? If you get what I mean for example? Just a thought...

Yeh lol, every situation I think is fraught with potential danger I guess in that situation you could say tough luck for having a nightmare session? And don't forget top 10 in the championship would be locked in to lobby 1

 

[NinjaEvo]

There's an easy solution:

Points only pay down to 20th. If you're outside the Top 20 do you really deserve points?
50, 40, 35, 30, 25, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
I know the dropoffs at the top are quite dramatic but a race win should pay off bigtime in my opinion.

Before Round 1 two races take place, the organisers are split into two races. So, for example, Karsten, Logic and Kossu in 1, Skeng and Snake in 2. The rest of the field are drawn at random and placed into the corresponding race. From each of these two races, the top 6 go through. Then you have your locked in 12 and the remainder go through into Pre-Q as standard. The advantage of this, if you choose to, is that you can use a track not on the calendar for the initial qualification.

 

[Stephen Vann]

Well guys in all honesty we have exhausted so many ideas over the last few months.
Regarding running 2 race lobbies for the championship, well as you have seen we really only just about manage to get 1 lobbie up and running, generally late , generally with people missing or people who cant get in the lobby.
For a steward and someone who has tried to get as many in the series as possible, my 1st 10 laps are filled with psn messages of rage or dissapointment about lag or accidents or dc's etc and its really tough, i thave taken a lot of time to bring people into our series and to see them unhappy because of an incident, or server issue or some unforseen problem, really is not good.

We did plan to make a 2 lobby series in the series after this one, depending on how we managed theis new series.

14 people competing for only 4 spots does seem a bit tight but I guess if you need stewards to oversee the race then you need to keep 2 spots free in the Pre-Qualifying lobby.

Why not have it be:

• 10 lock-ins.
• 14 pre-qualifiers.
• __ reserves after that.

That way you have 14 people competing for 6 spots instead of 4, which seems a little more fair.

As for the non-championship race(s), if one does not qualify for the main race, do they have to compete in the non-championship event?
I can see why somebody who put in hours of practice would want to do so but at the same time it could feel like there's no point in racing if there's nothing "on the line".

I have a suggestion but it would alter the points system a bit.

Yes PJ, something i have thought about a lot, however almost every series out there people race for no prize, just racing, in fact for the last 2 series with Karsten i have been in, we often have had only 10 drivers and of course no prize fund, but we raced eeach week as we wanted the race.
The Non championship race of course would have points for the NON CHAMPIONSHIP CHAMPION, lol so there would still be that but i sort of understand where you are coming from. Its really the issue of running 2 rooms i couldnt face.

 

[NinjaEvo]

OK, new idea (well, it's one of my old ideas from another series but yeah, you get the point).

With the first round being at Rome you could set up a Time Trial club event with say a 10 minute time limit. Each person gets to run the TT on their own to set the fastest time they can and since all the results are listed in the event you can take the fastest 10 and lock them in.

You can either have 1 of 2 rules. The first would be that everyone gets one shot, no more. The second would be that people can run as many times as they want, but only their last run counts. So then you have the strategy of do you risk running again and invalidating your previous lap time.

We've done this in a series I was in before and it's hit and miss on most courses since you can take liberties with the track limits. However, with Rome being the way it is there aren't many places, if any, where you can shorten the track by corner cutting. This gives everyone a chance to try to Pre-Qualify over say a week, where people can run at times that are most convienient for them.

 

[Stephen Vann]

There's an easy solution:

Points only pay down to 20th. If you're outside the Top 20 do you really deserve points?
50, 40, 35, 30, 25, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
I know the dropoffs at the top are quite dramatic but a race win should pay off bigtime in my opinion.

Before Round 1 two races take place, the organisers are split into two races. So, for example, Karsten, Logic and Kossu in 1, Skeng and Snake in 2. The rest of the field are drawn at random and placed into the corresponding race. From each of these two races, the top 6 go through. Then you have your locked in 12 and the remainder go through into Pre-Q as standard. The advantage of this, if you choose to, is that you can use a track not on the calendar for the initial qualification.

Hi Ninja,
i dont want the points to be big gaps, in fact my original proposal was to have the 1st half of the field scoring 7 down to 1 point then from 8th to 16th place scoring -1 down to -8 points, this would have been ideal as there would always be a chance for guys a long way back in the points to catch the leader, as with points being negative as well as positive would mean a large lead was always catchable.
It woul;d mean the championship would stay in reach of many mnore drivers for much longer, keeping the championship alive.

Of course, we have gone quite radical for this series, heavy damage will have the biggest influence on this series, also as will bad overtakes that cause any sort of contact will have heavy points penalties from the stewards.

Wuite a few of us have already had many 40 minute races at rome, testing setup and fuel tyres etc and its a tight track, almost any contact will cause another car damage, if not directly then pushing them into the wall, and this means a pitstip to repair and a lsow lap in, its a huge loss and this new series will be absolute non contact.

I do see valid points in all the posts.
The whole idea was to get larger grids as we had such a poor showing in the last 2 seasons in general.

When i sold more spots by mistake than places available toward the end of the season it created the unimaginable pre qualy race, and thats a good thing as it always ensures that even if people dont show up, we still have a full room as the prequalifiers just move in.

The idea of having more signups was to do the same for the new season, really top ensure the main room was full, except this new season, was to ensure the poor guys who did not qualify had enough guys there to have a race.

Although i like the idea of 2 lobbies and points down to 32 positions in one main championship, i really cant imagine managing 2 lobbies racing, with the new heavy damage there will be all sorts of incidents and issues, many wont see the replay as they wont be in the room it happens in, there will be no race video for the second room, in fact Karsten may not get in room 1 and there would be no race video of the championship leaders battles.
To be honest, i would love that, but its just managing it, stewarding it.

 

[Stephen Vann]

OK, new idea (well, it's one of my old ideas from another series but yeah, you get the point).

With the first round being at Rome you could set up a Time Trial club event with say a 10 minute time limit. Each person gets to run the TT on their own to set the fastest time they can and since all the results are listed in the event you can take the fastest 10 and lock them in.

You can either have 1 of 2 rules. The first would be that everyone gets one shot, no more. The second would be that people can run as many times as they want, but only their last run counts. So then you have the strategy of do you risk running again and invalidating your previous lap time.

We've done this in a series I was in before and it's hit and miss on most courses since you can take liberties with the track limits. However, with Rome being the way it is there aren't many places, if any, where you can shorten the track by corner cutting. This gives everyone a chance to try to Pre-Qualify over say a week, where people can run at times that are most convienient for them.

Hi Ninja, yes i have also seen that and its a valid idea, however this will be a test of a fast lap time, and our series is an endurace race, and maybe not a problem its an option for sure.

Ok lets say then that we run 2 lobbies of 16 drivers in each room.

Lets say we have points from 32 points down to 1 point for last place.

lets say that the weight penalty system is stretched out in effect each position is halved -
so championship leader starts the race with 1300 kg
and then a 5 kilo drop in weight for each championship position down to 32nd position who will have 1150 kg - drivers run their qualy and race with those weights.

Lets say there are no lock in places ?

Lets say there will be 4 lobbies open at the start of each Monday night race at 1800 Uk,
Qualy lobby 1 hosted by stewards between 1800 and 1840 uk
Qualy lobby 2 hosted by stewards between 1800 and 1840 uk
practice / prerace lobby 1 hosted by stewards between 17.30 and 1900 uk
practice / prerace lobby 2 hosted by stewards between 1730 and 1900 uk

Lets say drivers must have a 4 lap run - 2 flying laps - and best time is logged and put on forum at 18.30 by stewards.

Drivers will go to the forum look on which room they are in pre race room and running their qualy time in.
They go into that room and run their 4 laps, then go to the pre race room and wait.

Drivers look on forum at 1850 uk at the list of drivers times
Room 1 with grid order
room 2 with grid order


No need for qulay as times are there, drivers will just line up on track from 1st down to 16th and then start the race at 1900uk,
The 1st pace - safety car lap works really well, so in theory it should all work, BUT

All sounds easy amd would be, but even the simplest thing like posting on forum that you will be racing seems too much for many, this then involves me posting or psn messaging chasing up people - ARE YOU RACING TONIGHT
WHAT IS MY BHP PENALTY etc etc and in all honesty it spoils the race for me, i start the race stressed out trying to get all sorted.

So although all the above sounds great, we ended up making this new series a 1 almost guaranteed full race room, with others at least have a race in another room.

IF everyone posted in on forum they were race or not and made sure they knew what their car weight was and were not late to the qualifying and always showed up and we had no server problems and everyone looked at the forum before and after qualifying and went to their allocated race room and lined up on the track in the order posted on the forum and the race started and everyone drove well and there were no disconnections and everyone had a great time and at the end everyone was happy.
Well theres a thing, reality just isnt like that i am afraid, but i would love that.

We are really trying to make a great series, thats full and easy to manage.

Its also good that people voice there thoughts, as we have been through many many hours of thoughts and gone down many many routes to see the final outcome.

Lets see

 

[Pubs16]

When you put it that way it does sound a lot more difficult and I agree, it does take away the fun a little being so on and off the forums during a race meeting, it's already full on enough I think just meeting timelines for prac, quail and race starts. I also agree on focussing on that it is an endurance race and not a time trial, that also takes away the fun because I signed up for an endurance series.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like the way you guys have the series set out, the negative points I'm a little skeptical on but the way you've explained it @Stephen Vann it could be very close and does place passing incentive across the whole grid.
To be honest I'm just keen on racing already lol, I was just throwing my thought responses back to some peoples alternatives. I enjoyed the way it was set out with preQ at the end of the last series (be it that I was very lucky on two occasions to be pulled into the race since there was a drop-out). I'm sure everybody starting from the start of the series with preQ as a standard format, it makes for incentive for everybody to do their best to try stay in the top 12 to be locked-in, and still have incentive for the rest to make 16th to bag x amount of points. And with damage, strict stewarding and valuable places to lose there's not going to be much silliness to ruin people's days.

 

[Stephen Vann]

To be Honest Pubs it would be easy to have the 32 drivers
2 rooms setup
No lockin places
all pre qualify in 2 rooms
post the times
that sorts the 2 rooms grids out.

we would need more Stewards so they are more spread out,
so that any disputes in either room could be delt with by those in that room re replays.

Penalties would be very harsh for not signing into forum etc
Being late and not knowing your weight as an example, this would hopefully ensure people took respopnsability.
There will also be very harsh penalties for any contact on track, especially for cars trying silly overtakes and ending up with contact.

Let me know anyone else, if you think this is something we could run with.

 

[Pubs16]

To be Honest Pubs it would be easy to have the 32 drivers
2 rooms setup
No lockin places
all pre qualify in 2 rooms
post the times
that sorts the 2 rooms grids out.

we would need more Stewards so they are more spread out,
so that any disputes in either room could be delt with by those in that room re replays.

Penalties would be very harsh for not signing into forum etc
Being late and not knowing your weight as an example, this would hopefully ensure people took respopnsability.
There will also be very harsh penalties for any contact on track, especially for cars trying silly overtakes and ending up with contact.

Let me know anyone else, if you think this is something we could run with.

It could be done yeah, I don't like that we couldn't have a replay package though if it was that way like you said, but I guess it's not TOO important haha.

 

[azidahaka]

14 people competing for only 4 spots does seem a bit tight but I guess if you need stewards to oversee the race then you need to keep 2 spots free in the Pre-Qualifying lobby.

Why not have it be:

• 10 lock-ins.
• 14 pre-qualifiers.
• __ reserves after that.

That way you have 14 people competing for 6 spots instead of 4, which seems a little more fair.

As for the non-championship race(s), if one does not qualify for the main race, do they have to compete in the non-championship event?
I can see why somebody who put in hours of practice would want to do so but at the same time it could feel like there's no point in racing if there's nothing "on the line".

I have a suggestion but it would alter the points system a bit.

The idea of 10 lockins was considered, but having 16 pre-qualifiers do not allow for stewards to be in.

Do you mean the result of test race 2 decides the locked in drivers?

Just to give you more options, a few series I've raced in recently had different ways of sorting the racers for the main room are as follow -

1 - Each driver has 3 laps, 1 out lap, 1 fast lap and 1 in lap. All results are put in order and the fastest 12 or however many you choose go into the locked in positions. This has positives and negatives as anyone can put in a fast lap but also make a mistake and it's game over.

2 - You have 5 or 6 laps, 1 out lap 3 or 4 timed laps and an in lap. All the timed laps are added together and put in the leaderboard. This will then reward the consistant drivers and be a fairer option overall instead of option 1.

I'm easy with whatever you come up with and will go with any decision but just throwing options around.

It's good posting suggestions, but i prefer a preq race. This is an endurance serie after all; i think 99% of grid is faster than me in a single lap, but i'm decent in race times.

Why not just have 2 race lobbies, and give points from 1st to last across the 2 rooms?

If you're having a second lobby for non-championship anyways why not make that room be "lobby 2" and have lower points, while giving those in Lobby 1 some extra points to play for?

I had a good solution to that and i posted it below

I like that, so positions in lobby 2 would effectively be classified as 17th, 18th, 19th and so on for that round. Gives everyone something to play for and it's easy to implement, open the sign ups to a maximum of 32 and double the points to 32 points for 1st place down to 1 point for 32nd 👍

I do see valid points in all the posts.
The whole idea was to get larger grids as we had such a poor showing in the last 2 seasons in general.

When i sold more spots by mistake than places available toward the end of the season it created the unimaginable pre qualy race, and thats a good thing as it always ensures that even if people dont show up, we still have a full room as the prequalifiers just move in.

The idea of having more signups was to do the same for the new season, really top ensure the main room was full, except this new season, was to ensure the poor guys who did not qualify had enough guys there to have a race.

Although i like the idea of 2 lobbies and points down to 32 positions in one main championship, i really cant imagine managing 2 lobbies racing, with the new heavy damage there will be all sorts of incidents and issues, many wont see the replay as they wont be in the room it happens in, there will be no race video for the second room, in fact Karsten may not get in room 1 and there would be no race video of the championship leaders battles.
To be honest, i would love that, but its just managing it, stewarding it.

I wouldn't call my issues in getting top 16 very important, i guess other drivers would enjoy the video Also out of 32 drivers maybe another recorder might popup

talking about this post i made back then

Ok i try to explain again; sorry for my english i think it's one of the most brilliant ideas i had ever lol

This supposes we use fixed amout of laps to make up around 90 minutes.

Let's say we have 32 drivers ok? We race 2 rooms at the same time. The 2 rooms will have 2 standings from first to 16th ok? Let's say we give points from 16 for first to 1 for 16th. All clear?

Those are the points awarded to all drivers. To these points we add points based on the time at the end of the race. This will balance easier or harder rooms and will make ballast even more effective while giving ALL drivers a great reason to run as fast as they can!

For example let's say skeng races in room 1 with me and you race with flanked in room 2.

Skeng win in room1 i get 4th. Skengs gets 16 point i get 13. Skeng finishes laps in 90 mins i finish in 90:32

In room 2 logic wins with 89 mins and flanked is second at 91. Logic takes 16 points and flanked take 15.

To these result we add points based to both rooms times. So if skeng was the fastest of both rooms he would get other 32 points, if logic finished in 3rd of overall time he would get 30 points and so on.

This way we have points for classifications in both rooms and a combined classification based on both rooms. This way all drivers enjoy a good full grid race, and no one can complain he was in the hardest room for the weight of times at race end counts twice as mucha as race standings (16 points for a win, but being 3rd fastest finishing race (even not getting a win) means 30 points!)

Hope i managed to explain myself, i think it's very, very brilliant way to make big grids happy


Second part from logic

I love your brilliant ideas but still not 100% sure i am totally clear on everything.

Lets say in room 1 the races finishes as this

Room 1 RACE 1 45 LAPS
1 Karsten 1H 32M 11.7
2 filipino1234 + 1.7
3 Gueven Art + 2.7
4 PJTierney + 5.7
5 Logic + 16.7
6 lars toft + 17.7
7 SkengD + 18.7
8 kossu + 21.7
9 Jonathan777 + 21.8
10 BAZZER + 32.5
11 Pierce89 + 32.9
12 TDZdave + 33.0
13 Toca + 42.1
14 MAB96 + 42.5
15 NinjaEvo + 43.5
16 Storm_SP17+ 49.5

room 2 RACE 1 45 LAPS
1 Gavin Vickers 1H 32M 11.8
2 TazRacing + 15.5
3 SmileyWRX + 16.5
4 sportchip + 18.5
5 mr new A + 22.5
6 mr new B + 23.5
7 mr new C + 32.5
8 mr new D + 39.5
9 mr new E + 40.5
10 mr new F + 41.5
11 mr new G + 41.7
12 mr new H + 41.9
13 mr new I + 42.3
14 mr new J + 42.7
15 mr new K + 50.7
16 mr new L + 51.7

Can you compile the results so i know what you mean ?

last answer


i will when i get home lol else i'll get in troubles at work

but it would go like this in brackets the point for result in each one's room:

karsten +32 (+16)
gavin +31 (+16)
filipino +30 (+15)
gueven +29 (+14)


etc etc

This was the very best i could come out with. Allows 2 rooms racing, fair points based on race result AND total time. Also we could the following week mix the top 8 from one room with the top of the other one to avoid the "i was in the hardest room" issue.

Obvious issue with this is that stewards might end all up in one room or not properly mixed
or if artificially mixed (i.e. locking in 2 stewards per room) it would make organization more complex.

As last word, i would LOVE the 2 room setup if numbers are big enough to justify it, but it would effectively double the work for us (while probably doubling the fun for the driver i know)...

This just a small little insight of all the discussions we had along the planning. And i guess it explain the idea for the "Side Championship"

karsten

 

[Stephen Vann]

The idea of 10 lockins was considered, but having 16 pre-qualifiers do not allow for stewards to be in.



It's good posting suggestions, but i prefer a preq race. This is an endurance serie after all; i think 99% of grid is faster than me in a single lap, but i'm decent in race times.



I had a good solution to that and i posted it below





I wouldn't call my issues in getting top 16 very important, i guess other drivers would enjoy the video Also out of 32 drivers maybe another recorder might popup



This was the very best i could come out with. Allows 2 rooms racing, fair points based on race result AND total time. Also we could the following week mix the top 8 from one room with the top of the other one to avoid the "i was in the hardest room" issue.

Obvious issue with this is that stewards might end all up in one room or not properly mixed
or if artificially mixed (i.e. locking in 2 stewards per room) it would make organization more complex.

As last word, i would LOVE the 2 room setup if numbers are big enough to justify it, but it would effectively double the work for us (while probably doubling the fun for the driver i know)...

This just a small little insight of all the discussions we had along the planning. And i guess it explain the idea for the "Side Championship"

karsten

The total time option would not work but i just pm you a solution that would work.

 

[azidahaka]

Why wouldn't it work? if you set the race to laps and give say 2 mins to finish all needed would be a screenshot right?

 

[Stephen Vann]

Why wouldn't it work? if you set the race to laps and give say 2 mins to finish all needed would be a screenshot right?

With weather tracks 1 room may rain and the other may not or it may rain harder for longer, the combined result would be false.

My method would make no difference .

 

[Stephen Vann]

If anyone is about later today , i shall be on for a few hours at 4pm UK time.

 

[azidahaka]

With weather tracks 1 room may rain and the other may not or it may rain harder for longer, the combined result would be false.

My method would make no difference .

true we would have to set the weather as fixed i.e. weather 60% water on track 50%...

This shows how much thought went in the serie all the time

 

[Stephen Vann]

OK guys i have aroom open now and will be on track at about 1800 UK time if anyone wants some train and race.

 

[Malcolm Tucker]

I should be on about 8pm but I've got Core stuff to do at 9pm so I won't be around for long

 

[BAZZER]

Far too many variables to mix 2 rooms results together, that would be a terrible idea.

 

[Stephen Vann]

true we would have to set the weather as fixed i.e. weather 60% water on track 50%...

true we would have to set the weather as fixed i.e. weather 60% water on track 50%...

This shows how much thought went in the serie all the time

fixing the weather would spoil it in my opinion.
This shows how much thought went in the serie all the time

 

[PJTierney]

Speaking of weather, have you tested the various weather settings (most notably Weather Changeability) to see how it works in a lobby?

@azidahaka mentioned to be before that it was bugged in some way, as once track surface water had risen to 100% in an Open Lobby it would never go back down.

 

[azidahaka]

Far too many variables to mix 2 rooms results together, that would be a terrible idea.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...pen-signups-topic.321407/page-3#post-10344861

 

[BAZZER]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...pen-signups-topic.321407/page-3#post-10344861

What is this suppose to mean/show me?

 

[Stephen Vann]

What is this suppose to mean/show me?

Yes i am confused, it doent take me anywhere ?

 

[azidahaka]

What is this suppose to mean/show me?

The post from logic (and me) you haven't read. Fixed weather is fixed, only variable is drivers racing and each week room composition would change.

That if we'll go that path instead of as already planned.

 

[BAZZER]

Weather isn't the only variable to an even result

 

[azidahaka]

What else then? weather would be 100% same both rooms.

Each week top 8 from both room would form "room A" and last 8 would from "room b" so no complaining about being stuck always with same drivers. Points based on race result and time. Can you think of anything more fair than this?

If a room is very slow final points will show that since even 4th in room 1 might end with more points of winner of room b (as an example).

If you think about crashes... well that is not something you can take off the equation when racing

 

[Malcolm Tucker]

I've gotta admit it all sounds a bit over complicated and fraught with potential unfairness. There's a lot of different scenarios that could occur and without knowing exactly how the points would be dished out it's hard to say what could happen. I think the 32 car grid way is the simplest and fairest, the problem with that is how would qualifying work

 

[azidahaka]

I'll repost since seems no one noticed it:


This supposes we use fixed amout of laps to make up around 90 minutes.

Let's say we have 32 drivers ok? We race 2 rooms at the same time. The 2 rooms will have 2 standings from first to 16th ok? Let's say we give points from 16 for first to 1 for 16th. All clear?

Those are the points awarded to all drivers. To these points we add points based on the time at the end of the race. This will balance easier or harder rooms and will make ballast even more effective while giving ALL drivers a great reason to run as fast as they can!

For example let's say skeng races in room 1 with me and you race with flanked in room 2.

Skeng win in room1 i get 4th. Skengs gets 16 point i get 13. Skeng finishes laps in 90 mins i finish in 90:32

In room 2 logic wins with 89 mins and flanked is second at 91. Logic takes 16 points and flanked take 15.

To these result we add points based to both rooms times. So if skeng was the fastest of both rooms he would get other 32 points, if logic finished in 3rd of overall time he would get 30 points and so on.

This way we have points for classifications in both rooms and a combined classification based on both rooms. This way all drivers enjoy a good full grid race, and no one can complain he was in the hardest room for the weight of times at race end counts twice as mucha as race standings (16 points for a win, but being 3rd fastest finishing race (even not getting a win) means 30 points!)

Hope i managed to explain myself, i think it's very, very brilliant way to make big grids happy


Second part from logic

I love your brilliant ideas but still not 100% sure i am totally clear on everything.

Lets say in room 1 the races finishes as this

Room 1 RACE 1 45 LAPS
1 Karsten 1H 32M 11.7
2 filipino1234 + 1.7
3 Gueven Art + 2.7
4 PJTierney + 5.7
5 Logic + 16.7
6 lars toft + 17.7
7 SkengD + 18.7
8 kossu + 21.7
9 Jonathan777 + 21.8
10 BAZZER + 32.5
11 Pierce89 + 32.9
12 TDZdave + 33.0
13 Toca + 42.1
14 MAB96 + 42.5
15 NinjaEvo + 43.5
16 Storm_SP17+ 49.5

room 2 RACE 1 45 LAPS
1 Gavin Vickers 1H 32M 11.8
2 TazRacing + 15.5
3 SmileyWRX + 16.5
4 sportchip + 18.5
5 mr new A + 22.5
6 mr new B + 23.5
7 mr new C + 32.5
8 mr new D + 39.5
9 mr new E + 40.5
10 mr new F + 41.5
11 mr new G + 41.7
12 mr new H + 41.9
13 mr new I + 42.3
14 mr new J + 42.7
15 mr new K + 50.7
16 mr new L + 51.7

Can you compile the results so i know what you mean ?

last answer


i will when i get home lol else i'll get in troubles at work

but it would go like this in brackets the point for result in each one's room:

karsten +32 (+16)
gavin +31 (+16)
filipino +30 (+15)
gueven +29 (+14)


etc etc