2015 Round 1- Silverstone Grand Prix Circuit - Nissan GT-R NISMO (GT Academy 2015).

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After a evening of trying, I got into the 1.10.400 area. I discovered for me, aiming a little farther into the corner, at the cones, helped me get a gold time. Makes me happy.
 
I only just now realised that I set my 2.06.208 with that stupid traction control at 5! I wish you could turn it off and it would stay off! I might have to put a sticky note on my wheel to remind me! Haha.
 
RobertM525
I was, however, curious to test if the GT-R NISMO is being deliberately handicapped for this event, so I tried it out, too. I used the same SS tires, TC0, ABS1, AT, and driving line I'm using in the GTA2015 event and set the car to 100% stock. Interestingly, my lap times were actually worse than my best lap (though no worse than the other horrible times I was getting tonight). Despite that, though, the car felt better. After sector one, I was sucking and consistently losing time to my ghost, but for some reason I didn't want to throw my wheel at my TV while doing it. :)

So I've tentatively concluded that there probably is something off about the car in this event, but that whatever it is, it's not actually hurting my lap times on good laps, just making it more frustrating/annoying to achieve those lap times. Which makes no sense, but the numbers don't lie—however much better the GT-R NISMO felt in the Arcade Mode Time Trial, it wasn't posting any faster lap times and I was losing time to my best lap from last night just as badly (after sector one, anyway).
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I tried a bone-stock GT-R NISMO '14 (no oil change, SS tires) in offline TT mode and it was more grippy and way less frustration, and hit a similar time to my GTA '15 Rd 1 time easily in a couple laps. They've definitely nerfed the car for GTA, although I think that's already been said.

Looking into the replays of both, it appears the only difference is the turbo and exhaust codes. :odd: (And the Car ID of course, which proves it's a separate car from the one we already have). Also a bit weird that you can't use the Data Logger to compare GTA replays against offline TT replays. When you load one as the primary and then go to load the 2nd replay, it only allows you to select a replay of the same type (GTA or offline TT).

EDIT: Resorting to MoTeC now...
 
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I'm done with Round 1 of GT Academy! 👍 Mission accomplished! :D

After about one hour of playing on day 1 I obtained 2:10,0xx, in another hour of playing on day 2 I could drop the time to 2:09,2xx. So my goal was to achieve a 2:08 lap on day 3 and after playing another two hours I finally did it: 2:08,809. :)

I'm pretty satisfied with this lap, the 1st and 3rd sector have been quite well, there's maybe another 0,5-0,7 s potential in 2nd sector but 2:07 might be unreachable for me. You guys sure know this feeling of satisfaction and happiness after reaching a goal. ;) I can tell it made me scream out a loud "YES" ! :lol: Actually this is the reason why I'm doing GT Academy, this thrill of pushing the limit further and further. And in the end you are rewarded with joy and pleasure. :)

The GTR Nismo is understeering of course but I still like driving it. There sure are cars which feel a lot better but there's also even more cars that feel much worse. ;) So the GTR Nismo is not that bad, probably the expectations are pretty high on this one, maybe too high.

As always I was using my DS3 controller, steering: D-Pad, throttle: X, brake: [], automatic transmission.

I have never owned a steering wheel so this is my style of driving since the days of GT1. :cool: I have tried the left stick for steering, for throttle/brakes I have tried L2/R2 or the right stick. But I never felt comfortable with it.

I have also tried manual transmission (L2, R2) but this kept me away from focusing the perfect line and braking points. :drool: With a steering wheel as a controller this might work better as you probably have this real driving feeling. But with the DS3 manual shifting feels strange in my opinion. There might be some effort in slower or oversteering cars but I guess in a powerful 4WD like this GTR Nismo the general disadvantage of automatic transmission seems rather low.

I really like Silverstone Circuit since GT Academy 2013 where it was introduced to Gran Turismo. 👍 It has a wonderful fast flow. But it's also really tricky when it comes to getting the turns perfect and reaching fast lap times. Therefor it's pretty much of a challenge, but a fun one. :)

There's a lot crucial turns:

T 4 "Loop", T 7 "Luffield", T 9 "Copse", T 11 "Maggots" + T13 "Becketts", T 15 "Stowe"

There's probably about 0,5 s potential in every of these turns. It's really tough to get a perfect line in those turns I think. And then for a fast lap you have to take all of them as good as possible which makes it so challenging. :scared:

I won't have time to play the next days, that's why Round 1 is finished for me already. So I'm looking forward on Round 2. :gtpflag:
 
Is there any way to tell how many people total are on the leader board? I'm wondering what percentile I'm at...
 
j-2k
Is there any way to tell how many people total are on the leader board? I'm wondering what percentile I'm at...
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You're looking at 100,000+. If you have the time then scroll down on the Online Rankings. 👍
 
I was curious too so I just did a 13.07 lap (would have been longer but I got bored of the 6-7mph I was getting on tick over:nervous:). I wasn't last though. Someone did it in 30.01.921 for 79,668th and last place. I was an impressive 17 minutes quicker.:gtpflag:
 
I hit my limits real quick with these kind of things. Got 2.06.745 last night and can't seem to improve any further today. Didn't even get a single sub 2.07 lap :indiff:

By pouring over the Data Logger and comparing to miguel's epic 2.04.7xx lap, I can see a couple of bad habits with my driving :crazy::

- My braking points are spot on (both on and off the brakes), but miguel went from 100% straight to trail brake while I drag my brakes at 100% a lot longer.
- I get on the accel sooner, but hesitate longer before reaching 100%. Miguel coasts a bit longer then WHAM straight to 100%.
- The net effect of the above is I gain time under braking, but lose time from the apex onwards.

- Steering-wise, miguel is consistently using 20-30 degree less steering angle in all corners. High speed, low speed and everything in between. I have no clue how he does that. I tried using less steering and I just couldn't make the corner.

- My worst corners in terms of losing the most time are: The Loop, Maggots-Beckets-Chapel complex (out of Chapel mostly) and Club. I can see how I lost time in the first 2, but I have no idea how to get through Club faster (except the aforementioned less steering angle, but then I run wide on exit).

My problem is if I start to think too much about my driving, I hesitate just a tad before braking/steering/accelerating. It's probably in the order of milliseconds, but it's enough to throw you off the perfect line. If I don't think about my driving I'm OK, but I'm just not getting any faster than 2.06.

Anywho, I don't think I'll be spending a lot more time on this round. It might actually be counterproductive to practice this one because if we use the Greaves LMP2 for the final round it will be a completely different driving style required. GT-R = heavy, 4WD, low downforce. LMP2 = lightweight, MR, high downforce. Also I learnt my lesson from last year: I went full attack mode since the first round and got quite burnt out for the final one. Gotta remember to pace myself.

Good luck to everyone participating :)👍
 
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Yeah way I look at it is don't keep trying as you'll just get fustrated and not want to do it anymore. Look at athletes in the Olympics. They do enough to get through there heats til the final and then give it there all.
 
It would be interesting to see a video of someone actually doing a top time. Aggression with the wheel and pedals, there set up etc
 
Personally... I like this combo more than most GT Academy round 1 events, lots of grip and the car is easy to adapt to after a few laps... The top laps are definitely attainable but you'd need to be unemployed to be able to put the 5+ hours per day effort in to chip and chip and chip away to a competitive time :D

I do like the car though as it's easily correctable and will go back for some more laps soon 👍
Good luck to all pushing for a better lap time :cheers:
 
outlaw4rc
A few more pointers for those much further down the standings:

1. Take note on what the fast drivers are doing with execution (visual references, braking point, line, throttle up point, etc) but avoid doing it at the same speeds. Before you can do it fast, you you have to learn how to do it right.

2. Run multiple laps at a time rather than restart for every slip up. It develops rhythm and you'll avoid flubbing the last sector due to lack of practice.

3. For most corners, only touch the throttle when you're certain you won't have to back off. Letting the car turn with no gas or brake for an extra half a second is preferable to hesitation with power delivery.
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I had to watch so many different replays, and videos, but when people have it on mph it throws me off lol. I use kmh , and have gotten quite used to it. I really like what pd did with the track combo, they really make you use the whole width of the track with how they tuned the GTR, and it's helped me on some online races as well ^^
 
Gravitron
I tried a bone-stock GT-R NISMO '14 (no oil change, SS tires) in offline TT mode and it was more grippy and way less frustration, and hit a similar time to my GTA '15 Rd 1 time easily in a couple laps. They've definitely nerfed the car for GTA, although I think that's already been said.
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Definitely, though my confusion comes from how the car can be so much worse in handling and yet achieve what appears to be decent lap times. Granted, I wasn't really working at my time with the regular GT-R NISMO, but for how much better it felt, I was expecting to be be destroying my GTA lap times, and I totally wasn't. Maybe they upped the power of the car? I guess that should be easily discernible by looking at the car's speed at the end of any of the longer straights.

OTOH, maybe I was just driving excessively badly and the regular GT-R NISMO is faster than the one from GTA. :)
Gravitron
Looking into the replays of both, it appears the only difference is the turbo and exhaust codes. :odd: (And the Car ID of course, which proves it's a separate car from the one we already have). Also a bit weird that you can't use the Data Logger to compare GTA replays against offline TT replays. When you load one as the primary and then go to load the 2nd replay, it only allows you to select a replay of the same type (GTA or offline TT).
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I don't use the data logger a ton so I don't know if you can normally compare the data from two completely different events at the same track. If you normally can, though, and you can't for this, that would be very odd indeed. Especially since you can use the ghost from a GTA lap in a time trial at that track. (Which is how I knew I was 0.3 seconds ahead in sector 1 and way behind after that.)
 
First go since the the day the round launched and am starting to shake some of the rust off. Knocked half a second off of my best for a 2:06.520, which was still far from perfect: Was wide of the apex at both Brooklands and Luffield, was also slightly wide through Copse. Had a pretty good run through Maggots but didn't quite get the car as tucked in as I'd have liked for the final part of Becketts. Also overdrove the entry to Vale slightly.

So all in all looking for a 2:06.2/3ish time.
 
WadeOhh
I only just now realised that I set my 2.06.208 with that stupid traction control at 5! I wish you could turn it off and it would stay off! I might have to put a sticky note on my wheel to remind me! Haha.
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Put the TC off before entering the track, not onboard.
 
RobertM525
OTOH, maybe I was just driving excessively badly and the regular GT-R NISMO is faster than the one from GTA. :)
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I tried this comparison of '14 vs '15 and used the GTA ghost to compare and found that the Dealership '14 was better in the corners but the GTA was quite a bit better on the straights, even though the PP/HP/KG figures are the same.

They've definitely messed around with the settings on the '15 car.

Maybe online/offline setting differences coming into play as well.
 
LeGeNd-1
I hit my limits real quick with these kind of things. Got 2.06.745 last night and can't seem to improve any further today. Didn't even get a single sub 2.07 lap :indiff:

By pouring over the Data Logger and comparing to miguel's epic 2.04.7xx lap, I can see a couple of bad habits with my driving :crazy::

- My braking points are spot on (both on and off the brakes), but miguel went from 100% straight to trail brake while I drag my brakes at 100% a lot longer.
- I get on the accel sooner, but hesitate longer before reaching 100%. Miguel coasts a bit longer then WHAM straight to 100%.
- The net effect of the above is I gain time under braking, but lose time from the apex onwards.

- Steering-wise, miguel is consistently using 20-30 degree less steering angle in all corners. High speed, low speed and everything in between. I have no clue how he does that. I tried using less steering and I just couldn't make the corner.

- My worst corners in terms of losing the most time are: The Loop, Maggots-Beckets-Chapel complex (out of Chapel mostly) and Club. I can see how I lost time in the first 2, but I have no idea how to get through Club faster (except the aforementioned less steering angle, but then I run wide on exit).

My problem is if I start to think too much about my driving, I hesitate just a tad before braking/steering/accelerating. It's probably in the order of milliseconds, but it's enough to throw you off the perfect line. If I don't think about my driving I'm OK, but I'm just not getting any faster than 2.06.

Anywho, I don't think I'll be spending a lot more time on this round. It might actually be counterproductive to practice this one because if we use the Greaves LMP2 for the final round it will be a completely different driving style required. GT-R = heavy, 4WD, low downforce. LMP2 = lightweight, MR, high downforce. Also I learnt my lesson from last year: I went full attack mode since the first round and got quite burnt out for the final one. Gotta remember to pace myself.

Good luck to everyone participating :)👍
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I'll cover in more detail later but it's too easy to have too much steering angle. I found this out last night and that's how I finally hit a 2:05. The front tires lose grip rather quick so you end having to coast the car and/or applying a little brake. In other GT-Rs I've driven, you could literally out-muscle the understeer with aggression. Not here. It may be Godzilla but this car doesn't like to be driven like a monster. :lol:
 
Just watched P1's newest replay....WOW. :bowdown: Even though there are some that question his technique, (I do not) you gotta hand it to the guy for using everything available (e-brake, engine braking) to get the best time possible. I mean, the concentration and skill it takes to do what he is doing is just incredible....he must be a busy little beaver inside that cockpit. Instead of calling the guy a cheat, maybe you should marvel at his skill instead. Using the e-brake in combination with engine braking and getting it all to work together, all the while driving the perfect line, just out of this world. :bowdown: I say, rock on P1. :cheers:
 
LeGeNd-1
- Steering-wise, miguel is consistently using 20-30 degree less steering angle in all corners. High speed, low speed and everything in between. I have no clue how he does that. I tried using less steering and I just couldn't make the corner.
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I think he is blipping the parking brake in many corners? You can see the light flicker in a couple of sections. Sometimes when just feathering it, the light won't even turn on.
 
Umm guys...its 2'04.706 now...he's not planning to stop, can we see 2'03 ?????

Miguel is really a guy obsessed with perfection!

(And I'm still struggling into 6secs...Jesus!)
 

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