2015 UBS Chinese Grand Prix

[F1 fan]

I stated I'm calming myself down. And I stated Pastor had to turn in. Read my quote you quoted. All good.

I did read your post, but this section of the post is certainly ambiguous:

true amaldonado had to turn in, but Jenson was gaining.

What does Jenson gaining have to do with Maldonado's right to turn in? If that wasn't your intention, then fair enough, but it did seem like you were blaming Maldonado.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Rosberg saying that Hamilton slower middle stint compromised his race and left him in the clutches of Vettel..

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Rosberg saying that Hamilton slower middle stint compromised his race and left him in the clutches of Vettel..

Anti-hero Lewis left his Super-hero partner Nico, to the evil-doer/super-villain Sebastian. That's how I read it.

 

[daan]

Rosberg saying that Hamilton slower middle stint compromised his race and left him in the clutches of Vettel..

Lewis was doing the time the team told him to.

 

[05XR8]

I did read your post, but this section of the post is certainly ambiguous:



What does Jenson gaining have to do with Maldonado's right to turn in? If that wasn't your intention, then fair enough, but it did seem like you were blaming Maldonado.

My first post blamed PM as I was upset. I calmed myself and looked at it a few times.
I was still assessing the situation from their clean racing and why Jenson wasn't given enough room as he was gaining like they had been doing against each other for the past 4 laps. I felt if PM was going to cut off Button's pass attempt, PM should have stayed to the right. Right at that moment, Button juked left then right. PM moved left slightly then right to turn. I felt he had to know Button was gaining to have a crack- if PM looked in his mirrors.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Lewis was doing the time the team told him to.

Who in the team told him to - and who came up with the strategy?

It's conceivable that if Hamilton's engineers knew Rosberg was faster, they could have given him a lap time to follow that would have left Rosberg vulnerable to Vettel.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Hamilton was running at his own pace until he was told to go faster for Rosberg's sake, they asked for 1:4x.3 and he immediately put in a .2 and only got faster until the end of the stint.

 

[mustafur]

Who in the team told him to - and who came up with the strategy?

It's conceivable that if Hamilton's engineers knew Rosberg was faster, they could have given him a lap time to follow that would have left Rosberg vulnerable to Vettel.

Maybe it's time to realise that no matter how much you dislike a driver, it doesn't make them slower then what they actually are.

 

[daan]

Who in the team told him to - and who came up with the strategy?

It's conceivable that if Hamilton's engineers knew Rosberg was faster, they could have given him a lap time to follow that would have left Rosberg vulnerable to Vettel.

They were using the option tyre for the 2nd stint and they were trying to make them last, so Lewis was given a time to drive to by his engineer which, as far as we were aware, he always matched.

And, no, it's inconceivable that a team will deliberately harm one of their drivers.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

And, no, it's inconceivable that a team will deliberately harm one of their drivers.

Except from the team's point of view, there was no harm done - Hamilton and Rosberg still finished first and second. Rosberg is simply suggesting that Hamilton drove slowly to force him to shift his priority from attacking Hamilton to defending against Vettel.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

He didn't really defend much against Vettel though did he because Vettel did catch him but was a bit too far back to make a move I think..

 

[Dodzzz]

With his accusation towards Lewis, it is now clear the true personality of Nico, and this also explains Monaco incident last year.
When someone points one finger to another person, he actually points his own other fingers to himself, in this case, Nico would've done exactly what he has accused to Lewis if he was in Lewis' position, that is why he can come up with this accusation in the press conference.

From this, I can see that damaging his rival is the mindset of Nico, thus explains Monaco incident and Spa.

 

[Anghammarad]

Rosberg is simply suggesting that Hamilton drove slowly to force him to shift his priority from attacking Hamilton to defending against Vettel.

That's just silly.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Button just tweeted saying sorry to Maldonado for getting too over excited..

 

[daan]

Except from the team's point of view, there was no harm done - Hamilton and Rosberg still finished first and second. Rosberg is simply suggesting that Hamilton drove slowly to force him to shift his priority from attacking Hamilton to defending against Vettel.

But if Lewis was driving so slowly why didn't Nico try an overtake, or even get within DRS distance?

 

[Spurgy 777]

Button just tweeted saying sorry to Maldonado for getting too over excited..

I'm sure Maldonado didn't notice Button hitting him anyway, he's too used to crashing by now

 

[ukfan758]

I think I spy with my little eye a streaker at the Chinese GP:

(Pants on, feet are visible)

(Pants off, large lump at bottom)

Poor camera footage taking pictures of SD footage from a DVR sorry. It happened on lap 11 on the back straight. The guy was dancing around prior too. Or I might just be seeing things

 

[F1 fan]

 

[Peasantslayer]

With his accusation towards Lewis, it is now clear the true personality of Nico, and this also explains Monaco incident last year.
When someone points one finger to another person, he actually points his own other fingers to himself, in this case, Nico would've done exactly what he has accused to Lewis if he was in Lewis' position, that is why he can come up with this accusation in the press conference.

From this, I can see that damaging his rival is the mindset of Nico, thus explains Monaco incident and Spa.

He pointed to the team as the reason for him missing out on pole yesterday, he seems to complain more than he used to.

 

[Touring Mars]

I fell asleep watching the race live and missed the last third of the race, so I had to spend 4 hours avoiding the internet and the outside world until the race came on the BBC at 2 pm - and then I fell asleep again... but fortunately I did at least catch the parts I missed the first time around.

It was not the most exciting race - infact if it were not for Verstappen's overtaking and Maldonado's comedy moments, it would have been almost entirely unremarkable.

Glad to see that Mercedes did not romp away with it though, although Lewis didn't look like losing at any point in the race. Rosberg's whinging at the end, however, is quite perplexing. Given a choice between compromising his own race or compromising the race of the guy behind, what on Earth does he expect Lewis to do? Nico is claiming that they had discussed what they would do in the event of the race playing out the way it did and that Lewis didn't stick to the plan but instead chose to make like difficult for him - while I don't find that all that hard to believe, you'd have to be pretty clever to be able to figure out exactly how things are going to pan out before the race, and so I'm not sure I buy Nico's story. Even if he is telling the truth, it's surely the leader's prerogrative to do what is best for himself at the time?

 

[mister dog]

I fell asleep watching the race live and missed the last third of the race, so I had to spend 4 hours avoiding the internet and the outside world until the race came on the BBC at 2 pm - and then I fell asleep again... but fortunately I did at least catch the parts I missed the first time around.

Formula 1 anno 2015

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

Had some trouble as well to stay awake. But was nice to see Max Verstappen doing good again.
To bad his car is not very reliable.

Rosberg being an enormous cry baby at the end was a bit strange. If you think your race is being `heavily compromised` go on the attack. Getting frustrated and not in form to be close to Lewis should not be a reason to start talking 🤬.

Maldonado........., never mind I better keep this for myself

 

[sems4arsenal]

If Lewis was the one behind Nico he would have made much more of an attempt to overtake during the middle stint. Still think Lewis was slow on purpose (In my opinion) but if he was he is well within his right.

 

[GTlondoner]

I was gutted for Max, quite a few snubbed him for his age and he's doing well to prove them all wrong, Already has more points than Sauber, Marussia, Caterham, had last season put together, And not far behind lotus they finished with 10,

Lost alot of respect for wusberg to, more and more he's worrying about other peoples race, Were he just needs to get his head down and do his own thing.

 

[TenEightyOne]

If Lewis was the one behind Nico he would have made much more of an attempt to overtake during the middle stint. Still think Lewis was slow on purpose (In my opinion) but if he was he is well within his right.

Exactly, they were Hamiton's laps to run. If Rosberg felt that Hamilton was somehow "in the way" then it's his prerogative to get him out of the way. That's exactly what I think Kimi "Deal With It" Raikkonnen was going to do if he'd cruised up to the back of Ze German.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Exactly, they were Hamiton's laps to run. If Rosberg felt that Hamilton was somehow "in the way" then it's his prerogative to get him out of the way. That's exactly what I think Kimi "Deal With It" Raikkonnen was going to do if he'd cruised up to the back of Ze German.

The problem with this "racer thinking" is that isn't how it was going to work and this isn't to Teneightyone but to all with the prevailing idea that Nico should have just went past and moved on if Lewis was that slow. He couldn't he was on the same strategy to save tires to flank an attack if the Ferrari's were able to undercut and succeed. His goal was to save tires to do this, but two problems if he went on attack he'd have used them, and the other is if he followed close to Lewis he'd have wasted them due to the aero wake/dirty air effect. The same reason (unknown to Nico at this time) that Sebastian didn't try and pass Rosberg or couldn't get close enough, cause he too was on conservation mode. The only guy that seemed to have the ability to save tires and go quite quick was Kimi during this frame of time.


So there you have it, Lewis probably did do it on purpose or a better way of saying it is yes he did what was told but probably exaggerated some.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Rosberg is simply upset that he isn't getting the breaks like last year to be in an advantageous position over Hamilton.

 

[Kenocar]

Verstappen definitely getting my attention, the race was a snoozefest.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Lewis was looking after his car, he was told to hit a lower lap time so he did, he was then told to hit an even lower time otherwise Nico would be given pit priority so he did, if anything it's Lewis who should be complaining because Nico was pitted first despite what was said on the radio but he seemed fine with it.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I honestly dont understand all the discussion about the Nico-Lewis problem

If Lewis was too slow, overtake him or put enough pression on him so that he have to run faster, if you can't do that, then dont complain. There's no team order as far as we know so he could have make a move or push Lewis more.

Like I've read in an article I think Rosberg is fearing to become the n° 2 drivers since Ferrari are getting closer and not beeing able to race as he want anymore because of more competition.
Funny how 2 races can change someone. I remember the big smile Rosberg had at the end of Australia where nothing was a big deal and where he was hoping some competition with Ferrari. Now in the china interview pre-race he said he hope they are ahead of Ferrari enough so that they dont get bothered by them.