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Most drivers pay these days.
The point is that while Palmer is GP2 champion, it took him a long time to get there in a sport where the best talent tends to show itself very quickly.
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The point is that while Palmer is GP2 champion, it took him a long time to get there in a sport where the best talent tends to show itself very quickly.
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Basically, Vandoorne coming 2nd was a higher rated performance since he did that on his rookie season, and effectively dominated the 2nd half of the season.
Also Sainz won F3.5 on his first Full season of the series.
Instant performance is the clear definer of Talent that teams look for.
Nasr is about the same as Palmer and how Maldonado got into F1(Perez in the same year got 2nd on his rookie year and despite the fact he hasn't proved to be that special it's safe to say he is a higher standard then Maldonado), so despite having a good first race I think in the long run he should prove to be average or slightly above that in most Cases, going by the past 15 years of drivers coming into F1.
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Nasr is whatever at this point. Only problem with taking anyone from GP2 is that there's no standout talent at this point, aside from possibly Vandoorne. Only issue with that is he's 4th in McLaren so it's not like he's going to be in F1 any time soon unless McLaren or Honda set up a customer team, and that would be unlikely to happen next year.
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That is true, however the cars change from series to series and the fact he struggled in GP3 doesn't mean much when he performed instantly in the vastly more powerful F3.5 car.
He is lucky to be given the chance to get to F3.5 but the objective was clear at that point win or your out, and he did.
Compare that to say Nasr who had a more impressive early career but then slowed down once he hit GP2, in his first season he came 10th(at this point he was the same age as Sainz is now) and then after 2 more seasons got a 3rd in the championship.
The level of competition enviably gets higher as they step up the ladder and if they struggle on the way to the top then domainate once they get there is a stronger sign of potential and talent then, dominating your way to the top to only go medicore.
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He beat a few decent but unexceptional big-car rookies, journeymen and a DTM-reject to the title in the lead DAMS. For me, it wasn't the most convincing of titles.
That's one way to put it. Or you could say that Nasr was a title protagonist in both his second season and third season in GP2. There was no shame in losing out to talented and experienced veterans like Bird and Leimer. By comparison, his third season was perhaps underwhelming, even though he won races for the first time.
Doesn't seem to apply to Nasr really, as he dominated Frijns and Juncadella in his first year of cars (Formula BMW) and then beat teammate Kevin Magnussen to the British F3 title.
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Many drivers beat other drivers early in their careers only to end up worse then them when they get to their peak performance(Ricciardo lost to Alshin in F3.5 says alot about that).
Also Merhi might be a DTM reject but his Open Wheel career is at a high level and his record pre and post DTM do say alot about that.
Gasly is a big Car Rookie yes, but he has the potential to be much better then even Vandoorne considering his current progression and current testing times in GP2.
GP2 is filled with alot more Pay driver Journeymen that have a massive Familiarity advantage over the High quality rookies that come in compared to F3.5, that has been mostly a Rookie or 2nd season based series.
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Oh Mclaren
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We're gonna make it out of Q1! We're gonna make it out of Q1! We're gonna... awwwwwwwww.
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Cue 'Believe in Mclaren' tweets
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Oh that was close 
, good reply from Nico to a great Lewis lap, Kimi will not be happy.
, good reply from Nico to a great Lewis lap, Kimi will not be happy.
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Oh that was close
Good job (and I hate to say this) Massa. Ferrari looked faster than Williams and Massa has done a good job to stay with them. So yeah I'd be unhappy too if I was Kimi.
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Agreed, he has been faster than Bottas today in general @LMSCorvetteGT2 . Mercs got this in the bag for tomorrow now I guess.
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We'll see, strategy may still reign.
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Wouldn't count out Vettel but Nico really needs to step it up, was a bit unlucky last race but he needs a win.
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Different drivers develop differently. Some excel in lower formula and flop in F1, other drivers don't do much in lower formula and flourish in F1.
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Kind of depends, usually those that are considered bad before flourishing had have titles won in lower formula just had a rough last stage.
Kobayashi for example had a Rubbish GP2 compaign for two seasons, but had done exceptional in F2.0 and GP2 Asia, although I wouldn't say he is top talent he defintely was at an F1 journeymen level atleast.
But all Top drivers(Such as Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Ricciardo etc)currently in F1 have atleast done exceptional in Lower formula or showed Potential at a really early stage to warrant promotion.
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I agree. And thing is, Nico is even in skill with Lewis. It's not like Schumacher/Irvine or Hakinnen/Coulthard. This is like Hill/Villenueve. Glad I'm not too fussed about it. I'm happy in my corner with Honda for the moment.
I'd say Ricciardo has it the toughest. The other three are multiple championship winners. He proved his worth in two underperforming cars with little experience. While I'm educating myself on these newer drivers, it's tough for me to judge them based on this new equipment. If they can stay on the circuit and bring the car home, good on 'em.
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