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Marc Marquez out of Rd1 if not more. Damn dirt bikes, I'll tell ya'
2016 MotoGP/ WSBK/ Road Racing ThreadMotorbikes
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- JoeTruckV8
Was wondering what this Argentinian Grand Prix looked like so here it is,.
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Dorna are about to create a second level of 'Open' class that any open class manufacturer will be put into if they start overhauling Factory teams. This is in response to Ducati being faster with the Open ECU than their own Factory one:
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/200887/1/motogp-factory-2-triggered-by-ducati-advantage.html
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/200887/1/motogp-factory-2-triggered-by-ducati-advantage.html
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- Speedy6543
So first Dorna tries to equalize the Factory teams with the open, satelites and CRT's and now they need to come up with some more rules for the open class.
I'm starting to understand less and less of all the rulings.
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The idea, as you said, is to try and equilise performance whilst boosting entries, because as we have seen in the past, CRT was rarely competitive. The problem is that they need to go through a couple of drafts, because situations arise where teams are switching to the Open class to get an advantage.
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Here's a link to another MotoGp & WSBK Fantasy league, off gtp tho. It is a online website league,.
http://www.fantasyriders.com/
http://www.fantasyriders.com/
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Ducati's Open Class switch Explained inside & out
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On Monday, March 10, 2014, <818xxx-xxxx@pm.sprint.com> wrote:
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The FIM (Fédération Internationale de Motorcyclisme) and Dorna have proposed to the Grand Prix Commission the introduction of ‘Factory 2’ entries in the premier class of MotoGP™ to compliment the ‘Factory’ and ‘Open’ entries.
Javier Alonso, Managing Director of Dorna’s Events Area has explained the philosophy behind the plans, which are submitted for approval by the Grand Prix Commission on 11th March.
The proposal would see Factory Honda and Yamaha bikes competing with a 20 litre fuel capacity limit, five engines sealed at the beginning of the season and without the Extra-Soft tyre. The Open entries have 24 litres of fuel, 12 non-sealed engines and a softer tyre option. There would then be an additional Factory 2 class as explained by Alonso.
“The proposal which has been made relates to Open entry manufacturers achieving podium results, specifically three third positions, two second places or one victory, in dry race conditions. They would then have certain limitations applied relating to the Open class (22.5 litres of fuel reduced from 24) and less engines available (the total reduced from 12 to 9),” states Alonso, Dorna Managing Director and Race Direction member.
He added, “We looked at the Sepang test results, especially the second test, and it’s clear that of the two software versions used, the second developed by Magneti Marelli offers great performance. The fact is that the only manufacturer ready to use that software is Ducati. That gives them some advantage when combined with the Open rules, so we have therefore made this plan to the GP Commission, to find a balance which does not give one manufacturer too much of an advantage.”
“As a championship we aim to allow everyone to have the best possible technology, including this type of software, but from talking to the private teams they are not yet set up to be able to use this ‘full software’. Clearly Ducati were not at the same level as Honda and Yamaha last season and what they have done is to look for a way within the rules to improve their grid and race results. We understand that by making some changes they can be closer to the other constructors but we do not want them to have too much of an advantage, as it would be unfair for them to beat the rest of the manufacturers with greater ammunition. So we think the proposal on the table is a good solution.”
The Dorna Director also confirmed that the rule changes now taking place have a long term objective of creating a more level playing field in terms of technology. The goal is for all MotoGP entries to be Open by 2016.
“The ECU and software development work is being undertaken now with the objective that soon everyone uses the same ECU, like this season, and eventually the same software,” Alonso explained.
"Our duty is to ensure that the very best software is developed and that the manufacturers can make the best of it with their bikes. In fact, we are asking the factories to help us with this software development."
"We are saying to them, ‘look we have this piece of software and if you think you can improve it and we can apply it, then the only thing we’re asking is that it can be used by the rest of the field.’ Whenever we find that improvements can be made, we want to make them.”
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On Monday, March 10, 2014, <818xxx-xxxx@pm.sprint.com> wrote:
Sent from my mobile.
_____________________________________________________________
The FIM (Fédération Internationale de Motorcyclisme) and Dorna have proposed to the Grand Prix Commission the introduction of ‘Factory 2’ entries in the premier class of MotoGP™ to compliment the ‘Factory’ and ‘Open’ entries.
Javier Alonso, Managing Director of Dorna’s Events Area has explained the philosophy behind the plans, which are submitted for approval by the Grand Prix Commission on 11th March.
The proposal would see Factory Honda and Yamaha bikes competing with a 20 litre fuel capacity limit, five engines sealed at the beginning of the season and without the Extra-Soft tyre. The Open entries have 24 litres of fuel, 12 non-sealed engines and a softer tyre option. There would then be an additional Factory 2 class as explained by Alonso.
“The proposal which has been made relates to Open entry manufacturers achieving podium results, specifically three third positions, two second places or one victory, in dry race conditions. They would then have certain limitations applied relating to the Open class (22.5 litres of fuel reduced from 24) and less engines available (the total reduced from 12 to 9),” states Alonso, Dorna Managing Director and Race Direction member.
He added, “We looked at the Sepang test results, especially the second test, and it’s clear that of the two software versions used, the second developed by Magneti Marelli offers great performance. The fact is that the only manufacturer ready to use that software is Ducati. That gives them some advantage when combined with the Open rules, so we have therefore made this plan to the GP Commission, to find a balance which does not give one manufacturer too much of an advantage.”
“As a championship we aim to allow everyone to have the best possible technology, including this type of software, but from talking to the private teams they are not yet set up to be able to use this ‘full software’. Clearly Ducati were not at the same level as Honda and Yamaha last season and what they have done is to look for a way within the rules to improve their grid and race results. We understand that by making some changes they can be closer to the other constructors but we do not want them to have too much of an advantage, as it would be unfair for them to beat the rest of the manufacturers with greater ammunition. So we think the proposal on the table is a good solution.”
The Dorna Director also confirmed that the rule changes now taking place have a long term objective of creating a more level playing field in terms of technology. The goal is for all MotoGP entries to be Open by 2016.
“The ECU and software development work is being undertaken now with the objective that soon everyone uses the same ECU, like this season, and eventually the same software,” Alonso explained.
"Our duty is to ensure that the very best software is developed and that the manufacturers can make the best of it with their bikes. In fact, we are asking the factories to help us with this software development."
"We are saying to them, ‘look we have this piece of software and if you think you can improve it and we can apply it, then the only thing we’re asking is that it can be used by the rest of the field.’ Whenever we find that improvements can be made, we want to make them.”
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Have you created a league or anything? I've just done my team on the mcn, you pick 2 from each the gp, moto 2 and moto 3.
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- JoeTruckV8
No I found this online for WSBK,Motogp,F1,Indy Car, and maybe 1 other. I haven't thoroughly exploited them yet to see their worth but I'm just letting guys know there is a site out their hosting fantasy racing off gtp.
I'll check out this mcn thing if it's open? Watching sports is great as it is but with fantasy in play, whoa it's that much better!
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- JoeTruckV8
^Drooling!
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I think you mean Brazilian - the Argentine Grand Prix is still on at Termas de Rio Hondo:
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- JoeTruckV8
^ I think I like that 1 better tbh,.
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It was very popular when the World Touring Cars went there last year.
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- JoeTruckV8
Would you guys be interested in turning this tread or a new 1 into a MotoGp & WSBK Fantasy League?
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I pulled this from those websites I posted up above early,. (FanatasyDrivers(F1)..com & FantasyRiders.com(MotoGp,WSBK,BSB). They also have (FantasyIndyCar.com & FantasyRally.com), (FanatsyV8Supercars.com & Fantasy BTCC.com) also,. They are pretty much all the same websites/companies even-tho the spelling for each is different. If you go to 1 of the websites listed above then you can pick/click the other 5 Fantasy Series from that same page to participate in the other series they have avaiable. This is how that website presents the points for there picks for (MotoGP & WSBK only) F1 & others have different scoring points arrangements. I would list the 40.00 mil cap, and each riders worth in millions until you reach your cap mark!
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I pulled this from those websites I posted up above early,. (FanatasyDrivers(F1)..com & FantasyRiders.com(MotoGp,WSBK,BSB). They also have (FantasyIndyCar.com & FantasyRally.com), (FanatsyV8Supercars.com & Fantasy BTCC.com) also,. They are pretty much all the same websites/companies even-tho the spelling for each is different. If you go to 1 of the websites listed above then you can pick/click the other 5 Fantasy Series from that same page to participate in the other series they have avaiable. This is how that website presents the points for there picks for (MotoGP & WSBK only) F1 & others have different scoring points arrangements. I would list the 40.00 mil cap, and each riders worth in millions until you reach your cap mark!
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What's the bet on Aleix Espargaro winning the opener? He beat Lorenzo's race winning time from last year on the last day of testing 
I think the FTR Yamaha progress will be one of the most interesting parts of 2014. Aleix made the Ducati's look a little sick a few times last year.
Loving this pre season 👍👍👍
I think the FTR Yamaha progress will be one of the most interesting parts of 2014. Aleix made the Ducati's look a little sick a few times last year.
Loving this pre season 👍👍👍
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Will be watching to see if marc & Pol bounce back from there accidents. Marc doing Dirt Bike training, but Pol E. is cold!,. Was upon completing his race distance when he met Biff!!!
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Come on round 1!!!! Boy, oh boy, am I looking forward to this first GP
How is Marquez's fitness?
How will the Factory options manage the fuel consumption over the whole race distance?
Can A. Espargaro keep the rear tire together long enough to lean on the factory guys?
Lots of questions
How is Marquez's fitness?
How will the Factory options manage the fuel consumption over the whole race distance?
Can A. Espargaro keep the rear tire together long enough to lean on the factory guys?
Lots of questions
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Come on round 1!!!! Boy, oh boy, am I looking forward to this first GP
How is Marquez's fitness?
How will the Factory options manage the fuel consumption over the whole race distance?
Can A. Espargaro keep the rear tire together long enough to lean on the factory guys?
Lots of questions
Remember when Pedrosa broke his collar bone and the next weekend was racing at his normal pace? There are some medical technologies available that will put any alien on his level in 2 max 3 days from the accident. He broke his leg 6 weeks before so he has a very real chance to be on his pace.
As Livio Suppo said on an interview the factory engines were developed with a very low fuel consumption so he thinks there will not be any problems with this.
And for a open class bike to race in the same pace with a factory bike it's something only possible with a lot of race chance. There is probably a 500% difference in development costs between open and factory bikes and this not counting the pilot factor. The real difference in motorcycle racing is not in bikes, it's in pilots. It's very hard to imagine a podium without MM, VR, DP, JL ar any other alien.
So the most likely thing to happen is almost the same thing as last year, only with VR racing in the front group. Maybe what Ducati will do it's the most interesting question, especially in the second part of the season when they will understand more of that combo
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Another edition if that was when Jorge broke his collar bone at Assen i believe on Friday in practice, flew to Spain had surgery on Saturday, and flew back and placed 5th in that race,. I believe there is some; something out there for all Pro Lvl Sports PlayersRemember when Pedrosa broke his collar bone and the next weekend was racing at his normal pace? There are some medical technologies available that will put any alien on his level in 2 max 3 days from the accident. He broke his leg 6 weeks before so he has a very real chance to be on his pace.
As Livio Suppo said on an interview the factory engines were developed with a very low fuel consumption so he thinks there will not be any problems with this.
And for a open class bike to race in the same pace with a factory bike it's something only possible with a lot of race chance. There is probably a 500% difference in development costs between open and factory bikes and this not counting the pilot factor. The real difference in motorcycle racing is not in bikes, it's in pilots. It's very hard to imagine a podium without MM, VR, DP, JL ar any other alien.
So the most likely thing to happen is almost the same thing as last year, only with VR racing in the front group. Maybe what Ducati will do it's the most interesting question, especially in the second part of the season when they will understand more of that combo
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Here is the bmw m4 moto gp official saftey car looks good to me
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- JoeTruckV8
There really pushing that M4! Do these xhassis this year boasting the 4 cylinder turbo like the Super GT's?
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- Speedy6543
I finally got an understanding of what the difference is between the Factory and Open class.
For the Factory class the engine and chassis development is frozen at the start of the season where for the Open class it is not.
The factory team can however develop in software on the bike where for the Open class they use the software provided by Dorna.
And of course the difference in fuel and amount of engines. Factory; 20l and 5 engines, Open; 24l and 12 engines.
One last thing that could make for some interesting qualifying is that the Factories are stuck with Soft tyres and Opens can use Very Soft tyres.
Please correct me if I got anything wrong as I still try to understand all the new changes.
For the Factory class the engine and chassis development is frozen at the start of the season where for the Open class it is not.
The factory team can however develop in software on the bike where for the Open class they use the software provided by Dorna.
And of course the difference in fuel and amount of engines. Factory; 20l and 5 engines, Open; 24l and 12 engines.
One last thing that could make for some interesting qualifying is that the Factories are stuck with Soft tyres and Opens can use Very Soft tyres.
Please correct me if I got anything wrong as I still try to understand all the new changes.
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Don't forget 'Factory 2', which Open teams get put in if they get too close to Factory teams, which limits their engines and fuel allowance.
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So stupid - can't see Honda liking the ECU ruling, nor Yamaha nor Honda liking the gimme to unsuccessful Factory teams in terms of fuel and engines if they dont win.
So if Yamaha have bad luck with results and injured riders and Honda will all races this year between Pedrosa and MM, Yamaha get better rubber, more engines and more fuel.
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So if Yamaha have bad luck with results and injured riders and Honda will all races this year between Pedrosa and MM, Yamaha get better rubber, more engines and more fuel.
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