2016 Nissan Titan now with New Gasoline and Cummins Diesel Engines- King cab unveiled

[IforceV8]

I like the bumper on the rendering more than the softened up look of the production model.

 

[CodeRedR51]

The regular (non-HD) trucks have better proportions and looks a lot better than the XD. Not sure when they plan on showing them, maybe Detroit again?

 

[IforceV8]

So much for the embargo, thanks Nissan. http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/presskits/us-2016-nissan-titan-xd-press-kit

Tow Capacities by Trim:

Maximum towing capacity – Trailer (lbs)

S: 12,314 (4x2), 12,038 (4x4)
SV: 12,164 (4x2), 11,888 (4x4)
P4X: 11,784 (4x4)
SL: 11,915 (4x2), 11,638 (4x4)
PR: 11,836 (4x2) 10,608 (4x4)

Maximum towing capacity – Tongue (lbs)

S: 1,231 (4x2), 1,204 (4x4)
SV: 1,216 (4x2), 1,189 (4x4)
P4X: 1,178 (4x4)
SL: 1,191 (4x2), 1,164 (4x4)
PR: 1,184 (4x2) 1,061 (4x4)

Weights by Trim:

Curb Weight (lbs)

S: 6,709 (4x2), 6,986 (4x4)
SV: 6,876 (4x2), 7,152 (4x4)
P4X: 7,257 (4x4)
SL: 7,126 (4x2), 7,402 (4x4)
PR: 7,204 (4x2) 7,480 (4x4)

GVWR (lbs)

S: 8,800 (4x2), 8,990 (4x4)
SV: 8,800 (4x2), 8,990 (4x4)
P4X: 8,990 (4x4)
SL: 8,800 (4x2), 8,990 (4x4)
PR: 8,880 (4x2), 8,950 (4x4)

Is it too late to redesign a truck that hasnt been sold yet? 1/2 ton ability in a 3/4 ton fat suit is disappointing.

EDIT: Comparing the XD to a Tundra CrewMax and Nissan somehow made a truck that is 14" longer and yet it managed to be smaller in every interior dimension other than headroom. On top of that the cargo box is only .3" longer at a virtually useless 67".

 

[Adamgp]

I still don't see what the point of this truck is. In the press release Nissan is calling it a "new class" of trucks, but IIRC Ford & GM (maybe even Dodge/Ram as well) have made "1/2 ton HD" trucks (without the diesel) in the past and they were a flop. Eventually the "HD" models were dropped and most of the "HD" components were added to the regular 1/2 tons to boost capability.

The towing and payload numbers don't seem to be anything special. About what a Ford/GM/RAM 1/2 ton with the top gas engine can do.

With this truck it seems Nissan will learn what Toyota did with the Tundra. There is a lot more to a truck than large size, large engine, and lots of chrome.

 

[IforceV8]

I still don't see what the point of this truck is. In the press release Nissan is calling it a "new class" of trucks, but IIRC Ford & GM (maybe even Dodge/Ram as well) have made "1/2 ton HD" trucks (without the diesel) in the past and they were a flop. Eventually the "HD" models were dropped and most of the "HD" components were added to the regular 1/2 tons to boost capability.

The towing and payload numbers don't seem to be anything special. About what a Ford/GM/RAM 1/2 ton with the top gas engine can do.

With this truck it seems Nissan will learn what Toyota did with the Tundra. There is a lot more to a truck than large size, large engine, and lots of chrome.

It will tow the hell out of a 8000lb trailer though, nobody can touch that 555ft/lbs of torque. The GM 6.2L is the closest at 460 ft/lbs but that is at 4100 rpm.

 

[Adamgp]

It will tow the hell out of a 8000lb trailer though, nobody can touch that 555ft/lbs of torque. The GM 6.2L is the closest at 460 ft/lbs but that is at 4100 rpm.

A Silverado 6.2/Ford EcoBoost/HEMI RAM will do 8,000lbs without much trouble as well, without a costly diesel, and with ~100 ft/lbs less. Step up to a Duramax/Powerstroke/6.7 Cummins and 8,000lbs will be even easier.

The power is there, obviously. That 5.0 sounds like a great engine. But engine power/torque is only part of towing.

 

[CodeRedR51]

So much for the embargo, thanks Nissan. http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/presskits/us-2016-nissan-titan-xd-press-kit

Press reviews, etc. Nissan just released the towing figures which is like a small fraction of everything else.

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[JohnBM01]

When I was learning about cars back around 1999, I was watching some NASCAR Trucks action. I saw a (then) Dodge Ram adorned with Cummins livery. So I thought Cummins was exclusively with Dodge or something then back then. Since I thought Cummins was with Dodge, I felt it was a bit strange to see Cummins work with another manufacturer.

All of this said, I personally think it's great to see the Titan back. I am not much of a Nissan person, but it's great to see the Titan finally get a refresh and take on the American trucks and its fellow Japanese rival Toyota Tundra. I'm sure the Cummins diesel engine will give this truck sufficient power to take on any number of tasks.


[EDIT] Made a typo I didn't realize. Replaced.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Gasoline V8 info.

http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/...ine-engine-to-power-nissan-titan-and-titan-xd

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Nissan announced today that a new 5.6-liter Endurance® V8 gasoline engine, assembled in Decherd, Tennessee, will be available in the all-new TITAN and TITAN XD full-size pickup trucks, completing the first phase of the "American TITAN" story. The engine features four-valves per cylinder, Variable Valve Event & Lift and Direct Injection, and is rated at 390 horsepower @ 5,800 rpm and 401 lb-ft of torque @ 4,000 rpm.

The gasoline-powered engine joins the award-winning Cummins® 5.0L V8 Turbo Diesel in early spring 2016 to round out the engine offerings for the all-new Nissan XD full-size pickup, which stakes out a unique position in the segment between traditional heavy-duty and light-duty entries. The bold new design combines the capabilities of a heavy-duty hauler with the drivability and affordability of a light-duty pickup.

"With this new engine, Nissan TITAN XD customers will have the opportunity to make the choice that is best for their towing and hauling needs – either the all-new Endurance V8 or the Cummins® diesel – two offerings that you won't find on any other truck on the market today," said Rich Miller, chief product specialist, TITAN, Nissan North America, Inc. "It's going to be a tough decision for TITAN XD customers between these two very durable, capable engines."

While the new Endurance V8 shares its displacement with the previous-generation V8 installed in Titan, that is where the similarities end. The new engine features 390 horsepower (up from 317) and 401 lb-ft of torque (up from 385), along with Nissan's advanced VVEL (Variable Valve Event & Lift) technology, which combines hydraulic-controlled variable valve timing and electronically controlled variable valve lift on the intake and exhaust sides to provide high performance and crisp response. Throttle response is enhanced by directly controlling the intake valve, rather than using the traditional method of controlling intake with a throttle valve, and valve timing and opening with non-variable camshafts.

The new engine also features Direct Injection Gas (DIG™) technology, which provides better wide-open throttle performance and improved fuel economy and emissions performance (versus a non-direct-injection system) by reducing engine knock, improving combustion stability and offering precise injection control. An 11.2:1 compression ratio is provided by a new piston design, aiding overall engine efficiency and performance (previous Titan: 9.8:1) and a Multi Control Valve (MCV) assists in managing the engine's thermal efficiency better than a traditional thermostat.

TITAN XD models equipped with the Endurance V8 engine will be outfitted with a new 7-speed automatic, which features Adaptive Shift Control and Downshift Rev Matching.

More information on the Endurance V8 and 7-speed automatic will be available closer to its early spring 2016 on-sale date.

 

[YSSMAN]

If that is the standard V8, that's a pretty good bit of power for the money.

 

[CodeRedR51]

This V8 will be in the standard Titan as well, along with an all new V6. Just speculation on my part, but I expect the standard truck to debut at the Detroit show next month.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Pricing for the XD.

 

[Adamgp]

Yikes, up to $60k for this 5/8 ton truck.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I think most people will go for the lower grades, and even an S with 4WD for $42k isn't terrible. The Pro-4X would be my limit.

 

[Adamgp]

I'm guessing those are base msrp's with the gas V8 and standard equipment. Add the 5.0 diesel and other options, and you are in the price range of much more capable 3/4 ton trucks.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm guessing those are base msrp's with the gas V8 and standard equipment. Add the 5.0 diesel and other options, and you are in the price range of much more capable 3/4 ton trucks.

According to this, pricing is with the Cummins diesel. Gas pricing yet to be released.

 

[Adamgp]

According to this, pricing is with the Cummins diesel. Gas pricing yet to be released.

My error. But still, yikes on the pricing.

From the very same article:

So, how's that stack up against other similarly equipped, diesel-powered HD pickups? A Ford F-250 XL Super Crew with a 6.7-liter diesel V8 starts at $45,655 and tops out at $66,715 for a Platinum trim. On the Chevy front, a Silverado 2500 4x2 WT with the diesel V8 starts at $46,330, and the top-model High Country is $63,900. Finally, the Ram 2500 Tradesman costs $45,740 for the diesel/4x2 version, and commands $65,690 for the Limited.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Yep, Titan is several grand cheaper as it should be.

Also, let's not forget the regular sized truck that hasn't been shown yet. (my guess is soon)

 

[Adamgp]

Only by about $5-6k across the range, which can easily be negated (and then some) by the various incentives offered by Ford, GM, and RAM throughout the year.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Only by about $5-6k across the range, which can easily be negated (and then some) by the various incentives offered by Ford, GM, and RAM throughout the year.

Nissan is sure to have some of their own. Not right away, but it won't take long. Dealers started cutting prices on the new Maxima 2-3 months after launch. I would bet the Nissan incentives tend to be a bit higher too.

 

[Tornado]

How do those prices compare to the Dodge's baby diesel?

 

[Adamgp]

Nissan is sure to have some of their own. Not right away, but it won't take long. Dealers started cutting prices on the new Maxima 2-3 months after launch. I would bet the Nissan incentives tend to be a bit higher too.

I'm sure they will have to if they want to lure buyers in probably the most brand loyal of vehicle segments. As for the incentives being higher, I kind of doubt that, unless Nissan is willing to practically give this thing away.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Maybe not incentives as a whole, but dealerships can chop some additional off the top if they feel they have the room to do so.

How do those prices compare to the Dodge's baby diesel?

Ecodiesel starts at $38k. Not sure of the options.

 

[IforceV8]

2016 Ram Truck 1500
4WD Crew Cab 149" SLT

Base Price $40,294 $42,910
Destination $1,195 $1,195
Total Base Price $41,489 $44,105
Options (change)

Engine: 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel $2,652 $3,120
Trailer & Traction Group $1,033 $1,215
Cold Weather Group $200 $235
Radio: Uconnect 8.4 Nav $939 $1,105
Single Disc Remote Cd Player $166 $195
Parkview Rear Back-Up Camera $170 $200


Price with Options $46,649 $50,175

That includes a 1113 lb payload and 8750 lb tow rating which is way under the XD.

 

[Adamgp]

Maybe not incentives as a whole, but dealerships can chop some additional off the top if they feel they have the room to do so.

Same with Ford/RAM/Chevy/GMC dealers.

That includes a 1113 lb payload and 8750 lb tow rating which is way under the XD.

The Ram Ecodiesel is a different kind of truck. Built more for max mpg than max capability.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Same with Ford/RAM/Chevy/GMC dealers.

LOL point is one truck is cheaper than the others and it doesn't matter anyway since it doesn't compete with those other trucks.

 

[Adamgp]

LOL point is one truck is cheaper than the others and it doesn't matter anyway since it doesn't compete with those other trucks.

It does cost less, as it should.

And this thing doesn't compete with any truck currently on the market.

 

[IforceV8]

Build Summary
Version $47,010
TITAN® XD SV -
Crew Cab -
5'7'' Standard -
4x4 -
Transmission Included
6-speed automatic transmission -
Colors * Included
Java Metallic -
SV Beige Cloth -
Packages $3,710
SV Comfort & Convenience Package $2,590
SV Utility Package $1,120
Accessories $490
All-season Floor Mats $145
Tailgate Electronic Lock $345
Other $1,195
Destination and Handling $1,195
Total
MSRP [*] $52,405

Splits the difference between the ED $50k and a Ram 2500 diesel $56k in comparable trim SV vs SLT.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I built a Pro-4X how I would want it and it was $54k.