2017/18 Premier League & General Football Discussion

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Stoke relegated from Premier League: Paul Lambert says club 'too big' to stay down
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Try telling that to Wednesday, Sunderland, Coventry, Forest, etc.
 
Newcastle are the only one in recent memory that are too big to stay down since they won the championship both times they visited there.

Stoke are not as big as Newcastle and without premier league money will struggle to do it on the first year imo.
 
Very sad to hear about Sir Alex, I wish a very speedy recovery.

Get well soon Gaffer!
 
daan
Try telling that to Wednesday
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We were supposed to be back this season - it was year three of Carvalhal's three year plan, after two successive play-offs, and our 150th anniversary...

... and we've been down to the third tier twice since we left the Premier League. Having a stadium twice the capacity of anyone else in the division is lightly embarrassing.

It's interesting that people call it "doing a Leeds" though. Leeds were relegated in 2007 and haven't been back. Charlton did it in 2006 and are now solidly in League One (playoffs this year though, yay). Bradford did it in 2001, and fell into the fourth tier - as did Coventry in the same season. But we did it in 2000.

And then there's Portsmouth, Blackburn, Forest and now Sunderland. Wolves did it too, but they're back now. Manchester City did it, as did Leicester City, and both have won the entire league since. And so have Blackpool, Bolton, Oldham and Swindon, although that stretches the "too big" to its limits of sense.
 
I think Southampton is another team to have dropped into Tier 3 after being in the Prem.
 
Jimlaad43
I think Southampton is another team to have dropped into Tier 3 after being in the Prem.
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They are, just after they made a nice, new, huge stadium - but as they're back in the Premier League right now (well... for now), they're not one of the clubs that are "too big to stay down".
 
Barnsley surrender meekly 4-1 to Derby, get relegated, sack Jose Morais.
 
Huddersfield just drew 0-0 away to City, fair play to them. City will get the trophy now.

Cardiff will be in the Premier League next season after winning promotion from the Championship a bit earlier.
 
Liverpool certainly are making it hard on themselves. I didn't expect a win at Chelsea but I also didn't expect draws against the bottom teams either. Now next Sunday is no definite lock win.
 
There was an El Clasico between Real Madrid and Barcelona tonight and it was brilliant, finished 2-2, Messi and Ronaldo both scored, Bale scored a Stunner, Barca had Sergi Roberto sent off, great match!
 
m8h3r
What is going on with this West Brom team. If the game between Southampton and Swansea finishes in a draw, then they both lose their final games against Man City and Stoke respectively it leaves West Brom able to survive by beating Crystal Palace.

Looking at their fixture list a month ago consisting of fixtures against Man Utd, Liverpool and Tottenham I said they were down already, they got 7 points from those 3 games. I hate to say it but I think with this end of season form they deserve to pinch it. Rather see Swansea stay up personally however.
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West Brom still haven't given Darren Moore the gig full time yet. If it is a draw Tuesday I'd say they have a decent chance of staying up with a 5 goal swing needed over Southampton.
 
adamp93
West Brom still haven't given Darren Moore the gig full time yet. If it is a draw Tuesday I'd say they have a decent chance of staying up with a 5 goal swing needed over Southampton.
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Even if they do unfortunately go down under Darren Moore the team he has been leading since he took over look pretty decent and I think they'd be playoffs at least. He should get the job full time
 
Yeah, but how often have we seen a Caretaker manager do a great job in the last few games of a season, get the job full time for the next one and crash and burn within 10 games?
 
Jimlaad43
Yeah, but how often have we seen a Caretaker manager do a great job in the last few games of a season, get the job full time for the next one and crash and burn within 10 games?
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Didn't that happen to Craig Shakespeare with Leicester City? Don't know if it was within 10 games the next season or not but I think that's the most recent one I can think of.
 
Jezza819
Didn't that happen to Craig Shakespeare with Leicester City? Don't know if it was within 10 games the next season or not but I think that's the most recent one I can think of.
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Yeah now hes a coach at Everton under fat sam.
 
Max Allegri is interested in the Arsenal job, he will talk to Juventus about his future after the season, as everyone knows Arsenal are making big changes to the backroom structure and Juventus have a similar model to what Arsenal are trying to achieve, so working with one at Arsenal wouldn't be a problem for him.
 
Jezza819
Didn't that happen to Craig Shakespeare with Leicester City? Don't know if it was within 10 games the next season or not but I think that's the most recent one I can think of.
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Shakespeare was sacked before the season started. A decision which seemed strange at the time but I think it worked out OK.
 
MUSC4EVER
Max Allegri is interested in the Arsenal job, he will talk to Juventus about his future after the season, as everyone knows Arsenal are making big changes to the backroom structure and Juventus have a similar model to what Arsenal are trying to achieve, so working with one at Arsenal wouldn't be a problem for him.
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The challenge for any new Arsenal manager is they need to spend a HUGE amount of money to get competitive again - c.£200 million or so, I would think - and the owners have not exactly shown a lot of intention to spend over recent years.

They've got a few decent players, but there's been no proper transfer strategy in place - they've been panic buying at the end of windows, rather than building a team to a set objective. The team is unbalanced.

Can't see Arsenal getting back to where they were for many years.
 
Stotty
The challenge for any new Arsenal manager is they need to spend a HUGE amount of money to get competitive again - c.£200 million or so, I would think - and the owners have not exactly shown a lot of intention to spend over recent years.

They've got a few decent players, but there's been no proper transfer strategy in place - they've been panic buying at the end of windows, rather than building a team to a set objective. The team is unbalanced.

Can't see Arsenal getting back to where they were for many years.
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Kinda similar to fergies situation, just Wenger wasnt as successful. Hard to find the right manager after 20yrs.
 
Arsenal's current squad is kinda like Liverpool's at the start of the season. You have a fantastic strike force in Aubameyang, Lacazzette, Mhkitaryan and Ozil, a midfield with some pretty decent players who can back it up, but then a leaky backline. Liverpool managed to sort that out in January (sort of, Lovren and Klavan still seem to be major parts of the defense, which is scary as a fan) and somehow managed to get Karius look decent. Arsenal just need the same things. A nice expensive defender or two, and a goalie who can either replace Cech, or at least scare him into some good performances for fear of being dropped. They have the talent up front, now they just need someone who can get the best out of them, while sureing up the defense.
 
Arsenal's midfield is rubbish - overall, it lacks any real strength, and as good as Ozil is when he's on it, he only turns up once every 3 or 4 games.

Defense needs completely rebuilding.
 
What Arsenal's squad needs is a proper DM and a competent partner for Koscielny.
If they had that this season they'd be in the top 4.
 
Southampton making it unnecessary difficult for themselves those final 15 minutes.
 
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