2017 F1 Pre SeasonFormula 1
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Under Ron Dennis I'm sure they would have - in the event of Honda getting close to breaking any performance clauses it's the kind of thing he'd wave around in a meeting. At exactly 21C.
Of course they have. Do you believe them?
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Looks like Haas still can't part with Brembo which means their braking problem is still not fixed according to Grosjean (article is in french, I didnt found it on the english part). Apparently they are trying to change to Carbon Industrie brakes but it's not done yet.
https://fr.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-haas-freins-plait-pas-880811/
https://fr.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-haas-freins-plait-pas-880811/
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i'm guessing F1 contract are not that simple to break and would involve lots of money if done so. And Haas being in America probably doesnt help things (because of how laws works over there).
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It was reckless to enter a 10-year deal (as has been said in this thread) with a supplier who hadn't built this type of engine before. Reckless.
It smacks of marketing MuckLarun-Honda ZOMG!!!11!1! SeNNa!!2! instead of entering with a supplier you actually believe can and will deliver.
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Absolutely... but it was most likely backed up with proper thought and due diligence. Honda clearly assured McLaren that they could build a competitive F1 engine and return to the days of when they could win stuff (ignoring the days when they shut teams, lost stuff or melted down).
The contract built on that conversation needs a sensible length and proper performance clauses that each side has clearly understood.
Yup
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Ferrari looking more and more like the team to beat this season. A 1.19.341 from Vettel on the softs. Compared to a 1.20.626 from Hamilton on the supers.
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Mercedes using the same strategy as in the past making Ferrari look like the team to beat. On the other side, Ferrari looks really good this year and as a lifetime Ferrari fan, there is always that hope that they really are that strong again. Can't wait for Melbourne...
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With the regulation changes for 2017 there is a limit to how much Mercedes can sandbag their performance. I think they'll want to know the performance potential of the package.
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Trust me on this, every time we have seen so far is not close to what we will see from these cars, Autosport has picked up on erratic lifting on all the top teams when doing fast times, so my guess is they haven't shown it all yet.
Edit: Mclaren has caused another Red flag.
Edit: Mclaren has caused another Red flag.
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Sure, but that is possible without seeing it on the timing board. Just like Vettel did his 1:19,3 on Supersofts just now while coming pretty slow out of last corner and not pushing it at all until the timing line.
I remember a few years ago, Ferrari did their own timing sectors, e.g. Last part of sector 1 + First part of sector 2 = Ferrari sector 1. They pushed only for that part and Ferrari could assemble their own sectors to see the true speed. For the public it looked like a normal lap because they did slow down for the rest of the lap.
As mustafur just said, we won't see the true pace until Melbourne. We can only assume who did a good or a bad job. And for that, both Mercedes and Ferrari engines look pretty bulletproof in the settings they have tried so far.
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Timing doesnt mean anything in term of who's fastest until FP3 at Melbourne really and even then, some teams will probably hide their pace still. Mercedes is knowned to have a qualification mode on engine that no one else have at least with a mercedes engine and they never use it before qualification.
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Good thinking by McLaren, they've extended their corporate Orange makeover to the breakdown trucks.
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Never been a better time to post this.
In all seriousness though, here's to hoping this is more like 2014 testing where the Renault engines kept dying and people thought Red Bull were screwed, then they won 3 races. It's Honda, though.
In all seriousness though, here's to hoping this is more like 2014 testing where the Renault engines kept dying and people thought Red Bull were screwed, then they won 3 races. It's Honda, though.
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That lap Bottas did on the supersofts, looked pretty much within himself and the car.
I'm sure there is quite a bit left in the bag. But that goes for all of them really.
Barcelona's temps will be very different to Melbourne's. Looks like about 10 deg hotter.
Which may change the difference between the closely matched times that the ultras/supers and softs are producing.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/australia/melbourne/ext
I'm sure there is quite a bit left in the bag. But that goes for all of them really.
Barcelona's temps will be very different to Melbourne's. Looks like about 10 deg hotter.
Which may change the difference between the closely matched times that the ultras/supers and softs are producing.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/australia/melbourne/ext
