2017 F1 Pre SeasonFormula 1

[ukfan758]

Turn 3 is what really amazes me. They're pretty much flat-out through there. I cannot even imagine how physically challenging it's going to be when they're doing that for 90 minutes straight.

Imagine what Eau Rouge, Monza's parabolica, and China's turn 13 will be like this year .

 

[Bram Turismo]

They are already flat out through Eau Rouge though.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

They are already flat out through Eau Rouge though.

But it will be even faster and the draft on the Kemmel Straight will be exaggerated

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

At the time we all thought that McLaren were the team going forwards and Mercedes-Benz were the team going backwards.

He must have known a dud when he saw one. A fantastic move in retrospect.

But nothing indicated this, and with the power moves it and Ferrari were making compared to Mclaren especially...

It was a question of how long did McLaren have to be taken over, not if. 2012 was a great car, but a sub-par team. Ever since it's been a combination of both with varying degrees depending on the GP weekend.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Pouhon is the corner at Spa that will be much better.

Australia Turns 11 and 12, Copse at Silverstone, Hungary Turn 4, 5&6 at Malaysia, Half of Suzuka and Ferradura at Interlagos are the corners that will be awesome.

 

[mustafur]

It's the power units that have caused the weight increase. These cars are back to the pace of the V10 cars, but it's the weight increase that makes such a development so impressive.

Im comparing to last years car.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Pouhon is the corner at Spa that will be much better.

Australia Turns 11 and 12, Copse at Silverstone, Hungary Turn 4, 5&6 at Malaysia, Half of Suzuka and Ferradura at Interlagos are the corners that will be awesome.

I agree with these rather than the already flat out corners, they're not really going to be any faster there. It's the high speed, sweeping corners/switch backs - where cars previously had to back off slightly - that will be the most physically strenuous, improved and better to watch.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Lap records are definitely going to be broken this year.

 

[Dotini]

I've read that the Honda problem is engine vibration causing rapid, numerous failures across the various electronics units. Isn't vibration usually down to engine architecture, fixable only through basic redesign of such components as crankshafts and other internal geometry? If so, then its really sad. I remember what a disaster BRMs usually were. It would be most lamentable if McLaren had to finally be lumped and compared with the high flown shambles of BRM.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I've read that the Honda problem is engine vibration causing rapid, numerous failures across the various electronics units. Isn't vibration usually down to engine architecture, fixable only through basic redesign of such components as crankshafts and other internal geometry? If so, then its really sad. I remember what a disaster BRMs usually were. It would be most lamentable if McLaren had to finally be lumped and compared with the high flown shambles of BRM.

Under discussion in t'other thread

 

[Peter.]

Lap records are definitely going to be broken this year.

Doubtful. As lap records are usually taken from the race, and we still aren't in a refueling era where the cars pushed to their lightest weight then pit. By the time the cars are light enough on fuel they will be on worn tyres.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Comparison between the '04 Ferrari and the '17 Ferrari.

 

[Peter.]

That 2004 car is probably full of race fuel if that's a qualifying lap.

 

[TenEightyOne]

That 2004 car is probably full of race fuel if that's a qualifying lap.

Fuelled for 10 laps, 30 kg. That's what it says on the video at least...

Given that 10kg of fuel is worth 0.3 seconds at Barcelona that 30kg should be worth just shy of a second, but only presuming that Raikkonnen was running on a nearly dry tank. Which I'm guessing he wasn't.

 

[Bram Turismo]

That's hugely impressive considering it's 13 years ago...

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Also, imagine how fast this years cars will be when we get to the Spanish GP.

 

[TenEightyOne]

That's hugely impressive considering it's 13 years ago...

And it's a 3L V10 with traction control, one of the most successful F1 Ferraris ever. Ain't no replacement fo' displacement. Except apparently there is

 

[TheElbows]

Does beg the question though, should there be an option for non-technical-crazy engines so that more teams could get into F1? It's one thing to build, say, a V10 motor to a certain displacement and power output..and another to do a whole KERS/hybrid/DRS/etc. etc. engine package. They're distancing the sport from the entry level possibilities. I'd like to see an option to run a simpler motor just so other teams could get in.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

I'd love if they could do something like "you have to use this many liters if you're engine is so big, but no matter what the maximum output is this set amount, KERS or otherwise but all teams must have a DRS flap that opens".

 

[TheBook]

Think of it this way: the fact that we're debating over something something so trivial as the amount of fuel on board shows just how close these cars are to the fastest we've ever seen.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Doubtful. As lap records are usually taken from the race, and we still aren't in a refueling era where the cars pushed to their lightest weight then pit. By the time the cars are light enough on fuel they will be on worn tyres.

Wow, you really don't think so? Let's see.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Doubtful. As lap records are usually taken from the race, and we still aren't in a refueling era where the cars pushed to their lightest weight then pit. By the time the cars are light enough on fuel they will be on worn tyres.

Taking the Catalunya lap records as reference (which is what has been happening in this thread so far) you're right that the Official Lap Record is always taken from a race... but remember that the absolute fastest is recorded too. The 2004 video shown a few posts earlier is a 3L V10 with 10 laps of fuel on fresh tyres... and the pre-season 2017 Ferrari is clearly waaay faster.

I do think we'll see the absolute and the Official lap records broken, I guess we'll have to wait and see

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I guess this could belong here, I wasnt sure where to post it :

Force India officialy did it ;D

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128499/force-india-reveals-pink-livery-for-2017

 

[AudiMan2011]

Excuse me while I go find some eye bleach.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Excuse me while I go find some eye bleach.

Im usually not a fan of pink but I kinda like this. I'm waiting to see it on the track tho, so far it looks like it's rendering only.

 

[Dennisch]

Good. More colours on the grid.

 

[EDK]

We can't have it both ways.

All the cars are gray and black! This sucks!

Here, have some colors, there you go.

No, not those colors!

Seriously, I would like to see someone with green, it seems to be the most missing of the mainstream colors now. And no, the Haas doesn't count.

Oh, and of course, purple.

Interesting that there are no longer any cars that are mainly black. The Renault and McLaren are half black, or so, I suppose.

I think the grid is going to look great this year, and the cars are much more distinct from one another and therefore easier to identify.

I have to believe the teams were influenced on this. I don't find it coincidental that so many made a turn to color.

 

[JC_Dude]

Very nice to see more colour on the grid. I actually prefer this livery to the original one. It's much better at dealing with the shark fin.

 

[LumpiestFish]

I think it's pretty cool, I almost get retro vibes from it, 80's style.

I do wonder what the other sponsors think of it though. Johnnie Walker as an example are usually found on more 'elegantly' styled cars, such as Force India (when still black and silver), or Mclaren. It could be me guessing but I do think that they choose these teams for a reason, that being their elegant style. Now going to a bright pink car, I wonder if that could change their outlook? Then again, a bright pink car is going to be seen quite often so...

 

[TRGTspecialist]

When was the last time pink in some form had a presence on the grid? '92 Brabham?