2019 Virgin Australia Supercars ChampionshipTouring Cars

[ScottPuss20]

It’s defintely time for a major change/update or, do away with it altogether.

What? It would destroy the parity that the series has enjoyed for soo long. Not having a control chassis will make things worse for the smaller teams, who may not be able to create a chassis that is competitive. I don't want this series to turn into F1 where the richer teams, with more resources, dominate the season. Yes the cars may look better without a control chassis, but we don't want to lose the close racing. Unless they adopt a complicated BOP system, which doesn't even guarantee parity.

 

[Pete05]

What? It would destroy the parity that the series has enjoyed for soo long. Not having a control chassis will make things worse for the smaller teams, who may not be able to create a chassis that is competitive. I don't want this series to turn into F1 where the richer teams, with more resources, dominate the season. Yes the cars may look better without a control chassis, but we don't want to lose the close racing. Unless they adopt a complicated BOP system, which doesn't even guarantee parity.

Looking back at the seasons we’ve had since the COTF was introduced, I don’t believe we’ve enjoyed more parity than what we had in the Project Blueprint days.

Supercars don’t have to revolve around a Control Chassis.
Control components, yes.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Looking back at the seasons we’ve had since the COTF was introduced, I don’t believe we’ve enjoyed more parity than what we had in the Project Blueprint days.

Supercars don’t have to revolve around a Control Chassis.
Control components, yes.

I'm not saying that we've enjoyed more parity since the introduction of the COTF, it's always been there. We still need Control Chassis though to minimise what each team can do to gain an advantage. Not having that would open the door for all sorts of nonsense, potentially ruining the series. If Supercars do go down this route though, they need to put some serious thought behind it.

 

[05XR8]

I'm not saying that we've enjoyed more parity since the introduction of the COTF, it's always been there. We still need Control Chassis though to minimise what each team can do to gain an advantage. Not having that would open the door for all sorts of nonsense, potentially ruining the series. If Supercars do go down this route though, they need to put some serious thought behind it.

Been too long to include Manufacturers input. Instead of NASCAR, they should have looked at DTM and Super GT. long running touring car series. Heck, BTCC if they really want to see a model series.

Again, they've waited too long to try and shape 2021 from now. COTF was the time to start this to prepare for 2021. From here, it's like they'll wing it.

About the Holden turbo thing. Someone mentioned a reason the V6TT was pulled, was probably due to the GM Holden split. Any truth to that?

 

[CodeRedR51]

I say let them use GT4 spec Mustangs and Camaros but with the current drivetrains. Would be interesting.

 

[05XR8]

Every so often, we need a reminder of what could have been...

 

[Andrew R]

V8NZ seems to use rational thought process and factor in what the public might want whilst looking to the future though, that's not what Supercars base their decisions off unfortunately.

 

[Litening1]

V8NZ seems to use rational thought process and factor in what the public might want whilst looking to the future though, that's not what Supercars base their decisions off unfortunately.

Apart from when they created a massive split in NZ Touring car racing with the Supertourers and TLX Cars going as rival series. That we still haven’t recovered from.

 

[05XR8]

Apart from when they created a massive split in NZ Touring car racing with the Supertourers and TLX Cars going as rival series. That we still haven’t recovered from.

The series doesn't have the world exposure like VASC. Having all the BNT races on YouTube, definitely helps.
To me, it's a better formula. Something VASC should have looked at from their neighbors.

 

[Pete05]

I could be out of date on this but don't all the Kiwi cars use the Chev LS motor?

If that's the case, you're never going to get Ford, Toyota or any manufacturer other than GM kicking the tin.

 

[Spacegoat]

This video was posted at 3am. Talk about a weird time to reveal something.

Every so often, we need a reminder of what could have been...

You mentioned them in a previous post but how about the MARC cars for this series? The MARC Mustang laps Bathurst in (roughly) the same kind of time the current Supercars do. Apparently they're much cheaper to build as well?

 

[FPV MIC]

Opel? No way. The current Commodore is already an only child. The PSA group own that platform now and the brand for that matter.
The next ‘Commodore’ (if there is one) will have to come from somewhere else within the GM family of brands.
All the money GM/Holden spent on developing the ZB for a car that, last I heard, was in a production halt.
They might be able to get a ZB Series ll out of some minor cosmetic updates to front bumper/grille & taillights, but if they’re still selling the car in 4-5 years, it’ll be seriously long in the tooth & in serious need of replacement. But with what?

I see Cadillac development mules around so often, I think they’re mad if they don’t go down that road with the next gen models.
Don’t bother trying to call them Holden. Call them for what they are & aim them upmarket in low volume numbers. Cadillac is a prestige brand.

Inchcape already holds the Australian distribution rights for PSA. Sorry, I should have linked this article explaining it:
https://www.motoring.com.au/gm-to-sell-holden-116884/


An extract from the above article:

“It could well be that the liability of 10 years’ parts supply for the Holden carpark, plus the cost of staff redundancies and wholesale infrastructure, is more than the Holden brand’s goodwill value.

“In that case, GM could actually pay Inchcape to kill Holden and exit Australia.”

Under that scenario, Inchcape could replace the GM/Opel-sourced model line-up currently sold by Holden’s dealer network with a model range imported solely from Opel.

Opel is now owned by PSA, which already sells its products in Australia via Inchcape, and has previously expressed its intention to make Opel a global brand including in North America.

 

[05XR8]

I could be out of date on this but don't all the Kiwi cars use the Chev LS motor?

If that's the case, you're never going to get Ford, Toyota or any manufacturer other than GM kicking the tin.

I thought the same, but was corrected some time ago. They all use their brand motors.

This video was posted at 3am. Talk about a weird time to reveal something.


You mentioned them in a previous past but how about the MARC cars for this series? The MARC Mustang laps Bathurst in (roughly) the same kind of time the current Supercars do. Apparently they're much cheaper to build as well?

Knew it would be the best looking Mustang. Paint them all matte black.

Definitely with the MARC II. Thhey even have about 615hp.It borders on looking like a Trans Am car though. Almost Super GT/DTM-like. 4 door platforms might look a bit like the IMSA Audi. They should build an Alfa Giulia for us to see.

Inchcape already holds the Australian distribution rights for PSA. Sorry, I should have linked this article explaining it:
https://www.motoring.com.au/gm-to-sell-holden-116884/


An extract from the above article:

“It could well be that the liability of 10 years’ parts supply for the Holden carpark, plus the cost of staff redundancies and wholesale infrastructure, is more than the Holden brand’s goodwill value.

“In that case, GM could actually pay Inchcape to kill Holden and exit Australia.”

Under that scenario, Inchcape could replace the GM/Opel-sourced model line-up currently sold by Holden’s dealer network with a model range imported solely from Opel.

Opel is now owned by PSA, which already sells its products in Australia via Inchcape, and has previously expressed its intention to make Opel a global brand including in North America.

I'm all for the Opel brand, if it means they continue racing in this series.

Been saying it for a while, CAdillac should have been sold here. People are accustomed to expensive HSV cars. Having Cadillac here, would be a win.

 

[Pete05]

This video was posted at 3am. Talk about a weird time to reveal something.


You mentioned them in a previous past but how about the MARC cars for this series? The MARC Mustang laps Bathurst in (roughly) the same kind of time the current Supercars do. Apparently they're much cheaper to build as well?

The Monster car is as good as it's going to look so they should've saved its reveal for last.

All the others are going to be a disappointment in comparison.

 

[05XR8]

The Monster car is as good as it's going to look so they should've saved its reveal for last.

All the others are going to be a disappointment in comparison.

The wacky color Supercheap livery might work. We'll see. Also The Bottle-O if there's more green than white.

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/lowndes-supercars-tv-role-revealed/?sf207483749=1

bit iffy with getting pieces from Red Bull throughout the season. Also without Ingall speaking his mind. Still, happy for Lowndes and no doubt he put that Le Mans clause in there.

 

[Pete05]

The wacky color Supercheap livery might work. We'll see. Also The Bottle-O if there's more green than white.

There have been roughly 20 Supercheap liveries over the years.

Not sure I've liked one of them it's such a polarising look.

 

[05XR8]

There have been roughly 20 Supercheap liveries over the years.

Not sure I've liked one of them it's such a polarising look.

Hopefully that masks the shape of the car.

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[ScottPuss20]

Been too long to include Manufacturers input. Instead of NASCAR, they should have looked at DTM and Super GT. long running touring car series. Heck, BTCC if they really want to see a model series.

Again, they've waited too long to try and shape 2021 from now. COTF was the time to start this to prepare for 2021. From here, it's like they'll wing it.

I don't understand what you're saying here. What do you mean by "too long to include Manufacturers input"?

 

[Spacegoat]

bit iffy with getting pieces from Red Bull throughout the season. Also without Ingall speaking his mind. Still, happy for Lowndes and no doubt he put that Le Mans clause in there.

Haven't seen many positive comments about this move on social media*. People aren't happy with the Ingall got shafted.

*But then again social media is pretty negative at the best of times anyway.

The Monster car is as good as it's going to look so they should've saved its reveal for last.

All the others are going to be a disappointment in comparison.

Think the 23 Red Mustang might be alright. Aside from Waters' car. Tickford liveries haven't been anything exciting since the Pepsi days. And I'm expecting DJRTP to look much the same as they have for the past couple of years.

 

[ScottPuss20]

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/erebus-unveils-penrite-pair-for-2019/

 

[Spacegoat]

Nice but really wish the Penrite logo on the bonnet didn't cut off the stripes like that. Still not a fan of the red grill either.

 

[05XR8]

I don't understand what you're saying here. What do you mean by "too long to include Manufacturers input"?

Seamer mentioned they'll sit down with manufacturers to gather their input on the series. How the cars will be moving forward. COTF should have been that time to sit down and sk manufacturers what they think. Rather than say, you can run your body shape, BUT you need four doors and a V8. Then, we got, okay, you can now run your 2-door coupe, 4 sedan and sedan with a hatch, turbo or NA or whatever engine configuration. Again, it must fit the roll cage.

DTM and SuperGT and as Seamer mentioned, NASCAR have these round table discussions. SuperGT made it a must that the big three all remain in the series. Here's the perfect example https://au.motorsport.com/supergt/news/honda-nsx-mid-engine-2020/4325129/

It had been reported Honda was working on a front-engined version of its current NSX-GT to conform with the new regulations, but the Japanese manufacturer’s motorsport boss Masashi Yamamoto has now quashed those rumours.

Instead, Yamamoto revealed that Honda is holding discussions with Super GT organiser GTA to continue racing in the series with its existing car next year.

"To be honest, at this moment we are discussing with GTA about how to incorporate ‘mid-ship’ cars to the regulations,” Yamamoto said.

“At the moment we are planning to enter 2020 with a mid-ship car. It will be a development of the current car in accordance with Class One regulations."

Honda’s NSX-GT is currently aligned to its rivals Lexus LC500 and Nissan GT-R through weight adjustments that are made outside the Balance of Performance (BoP) rules.

 

[Spacegoat]

Tekno's livery. Looks nice but honestly I'd almost forgotten that this team exists. Haven't heard anything from them all off-season.

 

[CodeRedR51]

 

[turbofozz]

Looks heaps better with a livery, still not the prettiest thing in the world but as long as it’s fast that doesn’t matter.

 

[05XR8]

That bi-plane wing.


Looks fast and waaayyyy better. Much better. 👍 'Bout time a supermarket jumped on board one of these cars. Woolies, where you at?!

 

[noshog]

Definitely looks heaps better with a proper livery on it 👍

Looking forward to seeing it on track, fingers crossed its super fast... Back 2 back championships would be nice

 

[ScottPuss20]

That bi-plane wing.


Looks fast and waaayyyy better. Much better. 👍 'Bout time a supermarket jumped on board one of these cars. Woolies, where you at?!

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YES! Much better than a hideous white livery.

Seamer mentioned they'll sit down with manufacturers to gather their input on the series. How the cars will be moving forward. COTF should have been that time to sit down and ask manufacturers what they think. Rather than say, you can run your body shape, BUT you need four doors and a V8. Then, we got, okay, you can now run your 2-door coupe, 4 sedan and sedan with a hatch, turbo or NA or whatever engine configuration. Again, it must fit the roll cage.

DTM and SuperGT and as Seamer mentioned, NASCAR have these round table discussions. SuperGT made it a must that the big three all remain in the series. Here's the perfect example https://au.motorsport.com/supergt/news/honda-nsx-mid-engine-2020/4325129/

Oh right, so the series should've had more manufacturer input earlier on. Got it. I guess it's more important than ever considering the current motoring landscape and lack of home-grown cars.

 

[ScottPuss20]

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