2019 Virgin Australia Supercars ChampionshipTouring Cars
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Shame Heimgartner couldn't make 10.
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- SpacedustDaddy
Yeah, I'm guessing it was the Nissan.Thanks. In NZ he mentioned the Nissan and his team mate when saying they're hard to follow so fair chance it was either of those makes.
Unfortunately this issue is directly linked to the introduction of the new gurney flaps on those two makes.
THe GRM cars looked solid. That was in the wet. We'll see what happens on Sunday. Tomorrow is pretty much a wash for me. Top 10 Shootout is fine, but as we've seen for so many years, the last 25 laps is where it's at.
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I can’t believe not one person found the wall in the wet. Great driving all round.
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Thank you!!
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Especially considering that all the sessions prior had red flags. Amazing.
Pete05
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Don't forget the numbers have been bolstered by the NZ Muscle Cars this weekend.
To answer your question, IMO, no. The TCM rule makers have already taken this category too far by allowing the TCM engine in. It's a component-controlled Chev engine that is already in a Ford Capri. A Chev in a Ford
.If by some miracle Supercars adopted this category as the main game, I would only expect them to take it even further away from what it was originally, my favorite category to watch.
What I would like to see, is more of the main game drivers spreading their talents around by making guest appearances in other categories like they do in the Bathurst 12hr. Super 2 driver, Will Brown, is a perfect example having made starts in S5000 & TCR this year. I believe Will is OK doing this with no heat from Supercars because he isn't 'full-time main game' yet.
Should someone like Scotty Mac or JDub want to run in TCR, S5000 or other, I wouldn't be surprised if Supercars cracked the sads in a similar way to what they did before they controlled the Bathurst 12hr.
No one could possibly convince me they didn't purposely schedule the Eastern Creek pre-season test the same day as the B12hr, with compulsory attendance by all drivers, purely out of spite.
CodeRedR51
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A lot of cars with good speed this weekend. Shaping up to be a great race, don't think there will be a single car that runs away with it.
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I had no idea there was a control engine. Is that maybe why there are no more Falcon coupes? There used to be three(Two coupes and one four door).Don't forget the numbers have been bolstered by the NZ Muscle Cars this weekend.
To answer your question, IMO, no. The TCM rule makers have already taken this category too far by allowing the TCM engine in. It's a component-controlled Chev engine that is already in a Ford Capri. A Chev in a Ford
If by some miracle Supercars adopted this category as the main game, I would only expect them to take it even further away from what it was originally, my favorite category to watch.
What I would like to see, is more of the main game drivers spreading their talents around by making guest appearances in other categories like they do in the Bathurst 12hr. Super 2 driver, Will Brown, is a perfect example having made starts in S5000 & TCR this year. I believe Will is OK doing this with no heat from Supercars because he isn't 'full-time main game' yet.
Should someone like Scotty Mac or JDub want to run in TCR, S5000 or other, I wouldn't be surprised if Supercars cracked the sads in a similar way to what they did before they controlled the Bathurst 12hr.
No one could possibly convince me they didn't purposely schedule the Eastern Creek pre-season test the same day as the B12hr, with compulsory attendance by all drivers, purely out of spite.
I definitely wish main game drivers would guest in other series. However, not that ARG have TCM, I doubt it. Chaz was good to do the 12H & 6H. He would have added TCR as well, if not for Tickford. Maybe he gets to try it next year.
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Boost Mobile boss Peter Adderton claims that himself and GRM are prepared to pull out of the series unless Supercars introduces a control upright next year.
Honestly I think he does make a valid point about costs. But the timeline he's demanding is just ridiculous.
Honestly I think he does make a valid point about costs. But the timeline he's demanding is just ridiculous.
CodeRedR51
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https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/10/1...pjOxLxIURJ4ATYfWntF47n7bJgwPG1J6sieDMI8XcS6Pc
Getting closer to confirmation of Kelly Racing switching to Mustangs and with only two cars.
Getting closer to confirmation of Kelly Racing switching to Mustangs and with only two cars.
Pete05
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The control engine is an option if you don't want to/can't afford to develop your own engine.
Why aren't there any more Falcon hardtops? I don't have a definitive answer for you other than to say, I suspect those that own those cars look at the newer breed such as the Torana L34/A9X & XD Falcons and question how they could be competitive. When you can run the same engine in a body that has the potential to handle the corners better like a Mustang or XD, it's starting behind the black ball.
I can't confirm it yet, but I understand the VB Commodore is either confirmed for the category or a hair away from gaining approval.
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If Adderton reckons a control upright will solve all his problems, he's delusional. Yes, it takes away one of the variables but if he gets that wish, what's next? Is he going to whinge & bitch his way to control components for everything?
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BJR to four cars? That's a new one. This has become one of the wildest silly seasons in years.
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How the heck the S2 Altimas have been front runners since they switched over and the Championship winning Holdens and Falcons not running away from them? That's fine about this new deal. SO funny how the Bathurst intro focuses on the red & blue. Pretty much signals for other manufacturers to not bother(no matter if Seamer sayd they are in talks with different brands).
Yeah, with Team Johnson jumping on that train, seems like the category is sneaking up another decade.
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Pete05
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I wouldn't say forever. They said the same thing about George Fury's Top Ten lap in the Bluebird from 1984.
With the change to Group A rules from 1985 going forward, and the Jag on pole in '85 with a time about 5 seconds slower, it looked like it would be safe for quite a while.
The Chase came in 1987 & so did the Europeans with their Sierra RS500s. Whether it was done in a legal car or not, Ludwig posted a 2:16 in the Shootout & the experts all agreed the Chase added at least 4 seconds to a lap time. By 1990, Longhurst & Jones had posted identical 2:13.8 laps in qualifying & Fury's lap was history.
It will always remain the fastest touring car lap on the old full-length, Conrod Straight layout.
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I agree. However, cars were getting faster with higher horsepower and tyre technology. Took years to beat Murphs time, but now, even Simona beat that time.
Moving forward, they'd have to come up with a trick diff, paddle shifts, lighter weight, fancy suspension, to try and beat the current lap time, if the cars are going back to say 2013-spec. I doubt a sticky Dunlop will be put on next year's cars. For a car in the future to beat today's time, I would think it'd have to be similar to this 2019 Mustang.
Pete05
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Murph's 'lap of the gods' was set on a newly re-surfaced track giving so much more grip than previous years. Have a look back to Barbagallo this year & see how much faster the cars were after its re-surface. Murph set his lap & was so much faster than the others by trimming the rear wing. He was the only guy to use 6th gear on Mountain Straight, managed to keep pace across the top even though he missed a gear change out of The Dipper & picked up 6th gear the earliest on Conrod. I'm not surprised the current cars are faster, they have so much more downforce than a VY Commodore, more power but are no faster on the straights thanks to a taller final drive ratio.
If Supercars drops the power by 15bhp & reduces downforce, all things being equal, the cars will probably be just as fast on the straights. That will depend on whether they can still enter The Chase flat.
If we look at the stats for the cars I compared in my last post, you can see how they achieved their respective lap times.
The Bluebird only put out 400-425bhp, was only matched by the Jaguar in tyre width, tipped the scales lighter than the Sierras & had more downforce than any of the Group A cars.
The Jags had at least 450bhp, equally wide rubber but needed it as they had to weigh 1400kg & had bugger all downforce. Slow through the corners but slippery on the straights.
By 1990, a Sierra in qualifying trim, with a hand grenade engine had to have around 550bhp. They only weighed 1100kg for a phenomenal power to weight ratio but, they had to harness all that through 9" tyres & the more boost you put into one, the more like a light switch the power/torque delivery was.
In summary, the Bluebird set its lap using the grip method, the Sierra used sheer point to point pace.
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Fantastic start to the race. 
Cap'n Jack
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This inactivity is not good for the longevity of our cheese platter.
