2020/21 Premier League & General Football Discussion
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So I was at work for a bit earlier and I missed the MNF Neville and Carragher thing but the whole thing is on YT now and I have seen it, and WOW I've got goosebumps! They both go in hard on the owners, Neville called the Glazers scavengers and that the whole of Football needs to unite to make sure this doesn't happen, forget allegiances. Neville also said that its a joke that Arsenal and Spurs are involved considering where they are in the league and how they are performing, said he'd rather watch San Marino Champions that Arsenal or Spurs!
Before the game tonight there were protests outside Elland Road and Liverpool shirts were burned, Leeds wore shirts with the CL logo and the words 'Earn it' on the front and on the back had 'Football is nothing without the fans' during the warm up, Klopp spoke out before the game saying that he, his staff and the players were not informed, after the game Milner said he doesn't like it and hopes it doesn't happen.
The ramifications on this continue, its been reported that City and Chelsea could be thrown out of this years CL before they play their semi finals next week. and that the League Cup final between City and Spurs on Sunday should be scrapped.
Ed Woodward had a emergency meeting with United staff and players this morning, the players were not impressed at all.
Premier League will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow with 14 clubs minus the 6 that are looking to break away, so we shall see what happens from that.
Liverpool could only draw away to Leeds tonight, Chelsea play tomorrow and both Man City and Spurs play on Wednesday.
From what I have read or heard or understand is that this Super League has zero support, I have not seen or heard anyone come out and say 'this idea is sick, cant wait for this! The whole Footballing world has been united in its condemnation of this idea/proposal, and I just love it!
Long-ish post but a lot has gone on since yesterday afternoon, and a lot more is still to come, barely scratching the surface on this story!
Before the game tonight there were protests outside Elland Road and Liverpool shirts were burned, Leeds wore shirts with the CL logo and the words 'Earn it' on the front and on the back had 'Football is nothing without the fans' during the warm up, Klopp spoke out before the game saying that he, his staff and the players were not informed, after the game Milner said he doesn't like it and hopes it doesn't happen.
The ramifications on this continue, its been reported that City and Chelsea could be thrown out of this years CL before they play their semi finals next week. and that the League Cup final between City and Spurs on Sunday should be scrapped.
Ed Woodward had a emergency meeting with United staff and players this morning, the players were not impressed at all.
Premier League will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow with 14 clubs minus the 6 that are looking to break away, so we shall see what happens from that.
Liverpool could only draw away to Leeds tonight, Chelsea play tomorrow and both Man City and Spurs play on Wednesday.
From what I have read or heard or understand is that this Super League has zero support, I have not seen or heard anyone come out and say 'this idea is sick, cant wait for this! The whole Footballing world has been united in its condemnation of this idea/proposal, and I just love it!
Long-ish post but a lot has gone on since yesterday afternoon, and a lot more is still to come, barely scratching the surface on this story!
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I must admit I had little enthusiasm for the game against Leeds. I almost wanted Liverpool to lose, which has never happened before. 
As many of these breakaway teams finishing outside of the European places would emphasize the point about earning success and qualification for other competitions. Fingers crossed the rest of the 'top six' playing this week lose.
Liverpool have a section on their website called Media Watch, which I always thought was weird, as they link to media websites with stories about the club, stories that they know are BS most of the time, but they post links anyway. Guess what, with all that is going on, one official mention of the 'Super League', that Liverpool are part of it, and that's it! Talk about controlling the message. More like sitting with their with fingers in ears and saying "la la la, I can't hear you". 
The have an interview after the game with Klopp where nothing is mentioned, as he's not going to say anything if you don't ask the question. And they quote the Sky Sports interview with Milner, omitting the questions about the 'Super League'. The owners of the club get more despicable.
As many of these breakaway teams finishing outside of the European places would emphasize the point about earning success and qualification for other competitions. Fingers crossed the rest of the 'top six' playing this week lose.Liverpool have a section on their website called Media Watch, which I always thought was weird, as they link to media websites with stories about the club, stories that they know are BS most of the time, but they post links anyway. Guess what, with all that is going on, one official mention of the 'Super League', that Liverpool are part of it, and that's it!
Talk about controlling the message. More like sitting with their with fingers in ears and saying "la la la, I can't hear you". The have an interview after the game with Klopp where nothing is mentioned, as he's not going to say anything if you don't ask the question. And they quote the Sky Sports interview with Milner, omitting the questions about the 'Super League'. The owners of the club get more despicable.
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This whole debacle stinks to high heaven.
Klopp did speak about it briefly last night, but he was cagey and more focused on deflecting the blame - indeed, neither the management nor the players appear to have even been consulted, let alone that they are in some way responsible for what is happening, but that for me makes the situation all the more bizarre and ridiculous.
Of course, the players and the managerial teams of these big clubs stand to gain massively - at least in the short term anyway, but I reckon it is very short-sighted, and could end up being the ruin of these clubs. But, the truth is, some (or even most) of these clubs are virtually ruined already - they have crazy amounts of debt and now they have decided to take a massive bail out (from a 🤬 investment bank of all people!) to get them out of trouble, at least for a while, but at the expense of every other club in the country. It's sickening, and thus far, there has been a deafening silence from players and managers alike - but that's probably because they will go along with it whether they like it or not, because they are the ones who will walk away with the money.
The European football bubble has burst, but the sad thing is that the big clubs who have taken the biggest risks and have the biggest debts get bailed out, and the rest can go to hell.
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What happens if/when this league goes tits up? I would imagine that the EPL clubs will be expelled from the league and thus will have to re-enter at the lowest tier (like Rangers did in Scotland)... if there is even a lowest tier left for them to re-enter.
I figure that the Big Six believe that the FA/EPL cannot ban them because it will wreck the league if they do, but they also cannot reasonably take part in two completely separate leagues...
Klopp did speak about it briefly last night, but he was cagey and more focused on deflecting the blame - indeed, neither the management nor the players appear to have even been consulted, let alone that they are in some way responsible for what is happening, but that for me makes the situation all the more bizarre and ridiculous.
Of course, the players and the managerial teams of these big clubs stand to gain massively - at least in the short term anyway, but I reckon it is very short-sighted, and could end up being the ruin of these clubs. But, the truth is, some (or even most) of these clubs are virtually ruined already - they have crazy amounts of debt and now they have decided to take a massive bail out (from a 🤬 investment bank of all people!) to get them out of trouble, at least for a while, but at the expense of every other club in the country. It's sickening, and thus far, there has been a deafening silence from players and managers alike - but that's probably because they will go along with it whether they like it or not, because they are the ones who will walk away with the money.
The European football bubble has burst, but the sad thing is that the big clubs who have taken the biggest risks and have the biggest debts get bailed out, and the rest can go to hell.
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edit: Forgot to include my original point
What happens if/when this league goes tits up? I would imagine that the EPL clubs will be expelled from the league and thus will have to re-enter at the lowest tier (like Rangers did in Scotland)... if there is even a lowest tier left for them to re-enter.
I figure that the Big Six believe that the FA/EPL cannot ban them because it will wreck the league if they do, but they also cannot reasonably take part in two completely separate leagues...
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I don't think Klopp was deflecting the blame, just saying he has had little to no consultation from the owners, and didn't want to say too much until he had heard their side of it. He reiterated his stance of two years ago that he didn't like the idea of it. He could have ranted and raved, and got himself sacked, but then he would have no influence on the owners, which fingers crossed, he will have.
He is upset that the players are getting the backlash from this, and that he and they are separate from from what is going on, but fails to realise that they are the public face of the club, and are accessible, and so will feel the ire of people with no other outlet other than social media, and that can be ignored by not looking at it.
He is upset that the players are getting the backlash from this, and that he and they are separate from from what is going on, but fails to realise that they are the public face of the club, and are accessible, and so will feel the ire of people with no other outlet other than social media, and that can be ignored by not looking at it.
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This is basically like the F1 breakaway championship that arose in about 2009 or 10. It's all about some teams who didn't like changes coming their way trying to flex their power to make a point.
This appears to be in protest over the new, awful Champions League format which UEFA are about to ratify. However, nothing about that has been mentioned in this process - highlighting that it really IS a moneygrab.
Now UEFA are managing to take the moral high ground over this, and the new CL format is being pushed through silently in the background. You could almost say (tinfoil hat on) it's a backhanded plot by UEFA to get this passed through by getting someone else to propose something even worse. But knowing the moneygrabbing nature of these teams, I guess it's genuine arrogance by the owners.
This appears to be in protest over the new, awful Champions League format which UEFA are about to ratify. However, nothing about that has been mentioned in this process - highlighting that it really IS a moneygrab.
Now UEFA are managing to take the moral high ground over this, and the new CL format is being pushed through silently in the background. You could almost say (tinfoil hat on) it's a backhanded plot by UEFA to get this passed through by getting someone else to propose something even worse. But knowing the moneygrabbing nature of these teams, I guess it's genuine arrogance by the owners.
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How does the this one hand picked league save football exactly?Having two teams from even their 'elite' group of 12 does not guarantee a good game. Did he not see the Liverpool v Spurs Champions League Final!
Big name matches for these 12-20 top though, the rest can go an swivel.
Now he is talking of altering the games because young people have short attention spans.
WTF! Alter an entire sport to cater for a small minority who have short attention spans! It gets worse the detail he goes into.Why does it take a different league set up to improve the video systems?
It is easy to have financial fair play when you are getting hundreds of millions of €'s more than anyone outside of your 'Super League'. And now they want to fiddle with the Ref's too! Great way to keep you top 15 above the 5 pleb teams. They would still over spend and have sneaky ways around the rules, it is what they have always done.
I don't know where this chap lives, but it is not in the real world. Though sadly, in the 'Real' world, where he is used to his club getting what they want, and skirting the rules everyone else has had to abide by doing it.
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Maybe these teams should try to balance their books by - I dunno - not spending millions on Transfer Fees and extortionate Player wages. Who can spend $500,000 a week? Get FIFA to cap players wages at something like $50,000 a week at absolute maximum and let the teams actually pay the background staff so they don't need to fire mascots during pandemics or something. If these big clubs are running out of money, here's some food for thought: Neymar doesn't need to earn the GDP of a small African country every month to fall over on the floor and be an embarrassment to the shirt. If your massive brands with global appeal, merch sales and the most lucrative Premier League broadcasting agreement in history cannot survive, then A: How badly are you running your club and B: How do you think other teams in the lower leagues are coping?
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Thanks to the 51% rule. I'm such a cynic but there's no way that crooks like Beckenbauer, Rummenigge and Hoeneß wouldn't want to make easy money.
Florentino Perez's statements are an outstanding example of how to be a first-class 🤬. In what way is a 20 team league fair when the executive responsible for running the league is the executive President of one of the member clubs? Same for Joel Glazer as the deputy and all the others.
From last year's thread:
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Premier League shareholder meeting took place today, it was an emergency meeting and its was 14 clubs minus the 6 that are a part of the breakaway.
Most obvious thing to takeaway from the meeting is that they have 'unanimously and vigorously' rejected plans for the breakaway competition.
They are considering all actions available to prevent it from happening, as well as holding those shareholders involved to account under its rules.
Everton released its own statement slamming its 'preposterous arrogance' of the Big Six.
Pep Guardiola was given a press conference earlier ahead of City's game tomorrow night and he spoke really well about it urging the owners of the 12 'to explain to the whole World why they took this decision' and he felt uncomfortable talking about it as we don't know much more than the original statement that was given on Sunday night.
He also said 'Its not a sport where the relation between effort and success does not exist. Its not a sport where success is already guaranteed, its not a sport where it doesn't matter if you lose'. Pep hitting the nail firmly on the head there!
One of the six teams Chelsea are at home to Brighton tonight.
Most obvious thing to takeaway from the meeting is that they have 'unanimously and vigorously' rejected plans for the breakaway competition.
They are considering all actions available to prevent it from happening, as well as holding those shareholders involved to account under its rules.
Everton released its own statement slamming its 'preposterous arrogance' of the Big Six.
Pep Guardiola was given a press conference earlier ahead of City's game tomorrow night and he spoke really well about it urging the owners of the 12 'to explain to the whole World why they took this decision' and he felt uncomfortable talking about it as we don't know much more than the original statement that was given on Sunday night.
He also said 'Its not a sport where the relation between effort and success does not exist. Its not a sport where success is already guaranteed, its not a sport where it doesn't matter if you lose'. Pep hitting the nail firmly on the head there!
One of the six teams Chelsea are at home to Brighton tonight.
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It wasn't this bad, but it wasn't an overwhelmingly happy time. A lot of fans were against it, and a lot of teams outside the "big five" (which was Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, and Everton - even though Leeds won in 1991-92) thought it would basically suck all the money towards the top of the new top division and away from other clubs. Stop me if this sounds familiar
Turns out that they weren't entirely wrong either.The FA supported it to piss off the Football League. The Football League embarked on a legal challenge, but the judge ruled that the FA was the lawmaking body for football in England and subject to its own "private law", so it went ahead.
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That does sound familiar....It wasn't this bad, but it wasn't an overwhelmingly happy time. A lot of fans were against it, and a lot of teams outside the "big five" (which was Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham, and Everton - even though Leeds won in 1991-92) thought it would basically suck all the money towards the top of the new top division and away from other clubs. Stop me if this sounds familiar
The FA supported it to piss off the Football League. The Football League embarked on a legal challenge, but the judge ruled that the FA was the lawmaking body for football in England and subject to its own "private law", so it went ahead.
The obvious differences being that no clubs in the Prem are officially protected and that the league fits into the promotion/relegation system. Were either of those things ever not part of the Premier League plan?
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Having two teams from even their 'elite' group of 12 does not guarantee a good game. Did he not see the Liverpool v Spurs Champions League Final!
Big name matches for these 12-20 top though, the rest can go an swivel.
Now he is talking of altering the games because young people have short attention spans.
Why does it take a different league set up to improve the video systems?
It is easy to have financial fair play when you are getting hundreds of millions of €'s more than anyone outside of your 'Super League'. And now they want to fiddle with the Ref's too! Great way to keep you top 15 above the 5 pleb teams. They would still over spend and have sneaky ways around the rules, it is what they have always done.
I don't know where this chap lives, but it is not in the real world. Though sadly, in the 'Real' world, where he is used to his club getting what they want, and skirting the rules everyone else has had to abide by doing it.
Dear god, that interview in El Chiringuito
Florentino lives in another planet. It was disgusting to watch it and hear his comments.
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A lot of people protesting outside Stamford Bridge ahead of the Chelsea game tonight which is great to see and its peaceful so far and there so many people there that they have stopped traffic, Chelsea were so worried that they sent Petr Cech out to try and tell them to go home and he told them 'you must give everyone time' they booed him and chanted about him selling his soul!
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BBC are now reporting that Manchester City have withdrawn from the ESL...
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