2020 NASCAR Discussion ThreadNASCAR

[Dylan]

Plan B Sales will continue to support Kyle Larson.

Don’t get me wrong, what he said was awful and he definitely should be punished for it but I don’t think he deserves to be cancelled.

 

[Blitz24]

Plan B Sales will continue to support Kyle Larson.

Don’t get me wrong, what he said was awful and he definitely should be punished for it but I don’t think he deserves to be cancelled.

Not sure how it will work because here is the scorecard:
Suspended: NASCAR, iRacing, Chip Ganassi Racing, Chevrolet.
Terminated relationship: Coca Cola, Credit One, McDonald's.

 

[L8 Apex]

In the interest of accuracy, apparently Coke had already dropped him over the offseason due to CGR's Monster Energy ties and Coke gearing up to launch its own energy drink.

 

[Blitz24]

In the interest of accuracy, apparently Coke had already dropped him over the offseason due to CGR's Monster Energy ties and Coke gearing up to launch its own energy drink.

Thank you for the clear up. I didn't recall Coke coming back this year so that makes sense. Sadly, the fact that his two main sponsors just axed him might be a huge red flag to his career in NASCAR once the season resumes.

 

[NotThePrez]

Thank you for the clear up. I didn't recall Coke coming back this year so that makes sense. Sadly, the fact that his two main sponsors just axed him might be a huge red flag to his career in NASCAR once the season resumes.

While nothing's been confirmed yet, considering Larson's contract was up this year anyhow, I'd be shocked if CGR didn't end up on the "Terminated Relationship" list.

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Thank you for the clear up. I didn't recall Coke coming back this year so that makes sense. Sadly, the fact that his two main sponsors just axed him might be a huge red flag to his career in NASCAR once the season resumes.

To be fair, none of them were “his” sponsors, they were CGR’s. He’s not in an Almirola or Suarez-type situation where he lives or dies based on corporate whims. Plus there’s enough companies run by wingnuts (Liberty University comes to mind) that already sponsor in racing that he still has a few options available. His career at CGR is over, and I hope that he has to sit out the rest of 2020 to mature and smarten up, but it’ll probably mostly just be a trial run to see if he can make enough money to be happy with running dirt full time, and if he can, he won’t be back in NASCAR. He was only here for the money to start with.

 

[Blitz24]

To be fair, none of them were “his” sponsors, they were CGR’s. He’s not in an Almirola or Suarez-type situation where he lives or dies based on corporate whims. Plus there’s enough companies run by wingnuts (Liberty University comes to mind) that already sponsor in racing that he still has a few options available. His career at CGR is over, and I hope that he has to sit out the rest of 2020 to mature and smarten up, but it’ll probably mostly just be a trial run to see if he can make enough money to be happy with running dirt full time, and if he can, he won’t be back in NASCAR. He was only here for the money to start with.

I did get Coca-Cola wrong. However, First Data and Clover (both entities under Fiserv) have terminated their sponsorship with Larson as well.

EDIT:
And Chip Ganassi has terminated his contract.
Larson done at CGR.

 

[Dylan]

Chip Ganassi Racing has released Larson from his contract.
Edit: tree’d

 

[Carbonox]

Well, that's probably going to be Ross Chastain's best opportunity at a reasonably good Cup ride. Not under very desireable circumstances, but I guess that's been the way of the world for some time now. One man's misfortune, or in this case stupidity, winds up being another's fortune.

 

[NotThePrez]

Larson's contract terminations be like:

 

[Dolph Drago]

I wonder if Newman will be well enough by the time they decide to go back racing again? If not, who Jack will stick in the 6 car if Chastain takes Larson's ride? By the way, I'm kinda hoping Chastain randomly pulls off a win if he ends up in a better ride. I want to see him smash some more watermelons.

 

[Blitz24]

I wonder if Newman will be well enough by the time they decide to go back racing again? If not, who Jack will stick in the 6 car if Chastain takes Larson's ride? By the way, I'm kinda hoping Chastain randomly pulls off a win if he ends up in a better ride. I want to see him smash some more watermelons.

Isn't Chastain being loaned to Roush? My guess is that with Larson now out, Chastain would immediately go to the 42 (especially with Advent Health at Ganassi).

 

[bloodyboyblue]

Chastain has been under contract with Ganassi/Chevrolet since the whole DC Solar fiasco, they’ve just been loaning him to other teams. He has run every Cup race in 2020 so far so he is still eligible for the playoffs if he changes his points eligibility, he’ll just have to start at 0 like he did in Trucks last year and win a race and get into the top 30. Ganassi will probably make him switch the points but he definitely has a better chance at the Xfinity championship than Cup since I don’t think he’ll win a Cup race this season with the abbreviated schedule.

With racing probably not coming back till at least June chances look good for Newman to be almost ready by then, Roush could easily bring in Ragan to run a race or two to bridge the gap.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

Chastain has been under contract with Ganassi/Chevrolet since the whole DC Solar fiasco, they’ve just been loaning him to other teams. He has run every Cup race in 2020 so far so he is still eligible for the playoffs if he changes his points eligibility, he’ll just have to start at 0 like he did in Trucks last year and win a race and get into the top 30. Ganassi will probably make him switch the points but he definitely has a better chance at the Xfinity championship than Cup since I don’t think he’ll win a Cup race this season with the abbreviated schedule.

With racing probably not coming back till at least June chances look good for Newman to be almost ready by then, Roush could easily bring in Ragan to run a race or two to bridge the gap.

IMO it's more likely David Ragan comes out of retirement to finish out the year than Newman returns unless Newman can ace every single doctor's checkup and medical test AND post consistent and on pace times.

 

[tankuroded]

World of Outlaws statement re: Larson:

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

World of Outlaws statement re: Larson:

Daaannnggg. Locked out of sprint cars effectively

 

[tankuroded]

Daaannnggg. Locked out of sprint cars effectively

"Provided that Kyle completes the designated training in allotted time, he will remain eligible to compete in all World of Outlaws sanctioned events." Meaning, from what I saw, he is required to undergo sensitivity warning, but there is no explicit indefinite suspension, unlike NASCAR's.

And now Mets' Marcus Stroman wants a piece of Larson in a fight - Nazem Kadri also has joined in.

 

[Northstar]

I’m not so sure I like the “he can never redeem himself!” attitude some are taking as it seems very counter productive. You’re never going to see change in the world if you don’t allow people to change.

 

[MaxAttack]

I’m not so sure I like the “he can never redeem himself!” attitude some are taking as it seems very counter productive. You’re never going to see change in the world if you don’t allow people to change.

I have to agree. Watching all his sponsors clamour over each other to bank the good boy points they'll get for dropping him is almost as cringe inducing as the incident itself.

 

[Northstar]

I have to agree. Watching all his sponsors clamour over each other to bank the good boy points they'll get for dropping him is almost as cringe inducing as the incident itself.

I honestly don’t really feel much sympathy for him there. He is/was representing those companies so he really didn’t give them much of a choice.

I just feel like it’s important to give people a path to redemption in cases like this. Not doing so gives him no incentive to change.

 

[tankuroded]

I’m not so sure I like the “he can never redeem himself!” attitude some are taking as it seems very counter productive. You’re never going to see change in the world if you don’t allow people to change.

By that logic, are you thinking someone who abuses you can redeem themselves?

 

[Northstar]

By that logic, are you thinking someone who abuses you can redeem themselves?

Yes, it would be extremely difficult but still possible.

I’m not saying the path for Kyle should be easy, but his crimes don’t warrant a lifetime sentence.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

"Provided that Kyle completes the designated training in allotted time, he will remain eligible to compete in all World of Outlaws sanctioned events." Meaning, from what I saw, he is required to undergo sensitivity warning, but there is no explicit indefinite suspension, unlike NASCAR's.

And now Mets' Marcus Stroman wants a piece of Larson in a fight - Nazem Kadri also has joined in.

Not indefinitely, but basically he's got a LOT of sensitivity training to sit through

 

[Carbonox]

And now Mets' Marcus Stroman wants a piece of Larson in a fight - Nazem Kadri also has joined in.

Well, that's some facepalm moments right there. Yeah, lads, your calls for violence really incentivize people to support you...

 

[bloodyboyblue]

I agree with pretty much everything in this article.

WoO and the dirt community clearly aren’t going to turn down the ticket and merchandise sales that Larson will bring. They’re known for being more lenient than NASCAR anyway, do you think Tony Stewart would get away with punching fans if he was still a Cup driver?

 

[Veinz]

Make it happen Dana White! They are roughly the same size.


edit:

I’m not so sure I like the “he can never redeem himself!” attitude some are taking as it seems very counter productive. You’re never going to see change in the world if you don’t allow people to change.

I agree, no doubt he's a moron but I also don't subscribe to the cancel culture we live in. I don't think he deserves his career to be completely nuked off the earth. Nevermind the loss in sponsors, or drives. He's going to have this stain on his entire "brand" for the rest of his life. Let this be a lesson.

 

[NotThePrez]

Bubba's take on the Kyle Larson incident.

 

[RACECAR]

Bubba's take on the Kyle Larson incident.

Funny how everyone else is resorting to calling him racist and effectively condemning him while an actual African American (that's actually involved in the sport) had a good convo with him and isn't blasting him to pieces. While I think he didn't use his head when he uttered said phrase, I myself as a Black fan am not mad at him. Disappointed and think he should've thought twice, absolutely but nowhere near sentencing him for life like everyone else. You can't get rid of something negative by throwing stupid amounts of negativity at it. Contrary to popular belief, its not mature nor does it accomplish anything.

Overall (and somewhat off-topic), I think THIS is the problem when this issue comes up: Everyone comes at it guns blazing and swords drawn when its not at all necessary (See the topic thread that is now closed because of said attitudes).

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

Funny how everyone else is resorting to calling him racist and effectively condemning him while an actual African American (that's actually involved in the sport) had a good convo with him and isn't blasting him to pieces. While I think he didn't use his head when he uttered said phrase, I myself as a Black fan am not mad at him. Disappointed and think he should've thought twice, absolutely but nowhere near sentencing him for life like everyone else. You can't get rid of something negative by throwing stupid amounts of negativity at it. Contrary to popular belief, its not mature nor does it accomplish anything.

Overall (and somewhat off-topic), I think THIS is the problem when this issue comes up: Everyone comes at it guns blazing and swords drawn when its not at all necessary (See the topic thread that is now closed because of said attitudes).

Not just one, Willy T. Ribbs also spoke to Larson, and came to the same conclusion as Bubba.

 

[Veinz]