2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

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When I read your report I thought you may have been in my race. Did you manage to avoid most of the chaos?

Unfortunately no, I avoided the contact, but stuck behind them, lost a tonne of time.

Went again, usually try not to, absolute disaster. Quali was much better.

But far too many "push to pass" drivers out there. Got fed up with them and exerted revenge on a few. Not the way I race, but fed up of being nudged just enough to run off the track.

Reckon I'm done with this combo, a general lack of pace and the overly aggressive mid pack are anything but enjoyable.

EDIT: Not the quickest driver, or among those with the higher DR. But this race just screams out a lack of intelligence (race smarts) in some of the field. Why fight for all your worth, for P4 or P8, while the pack ahead pulls away. Not sure what it would be like in lower lobbies, but the time lost fighting needlessly is the most frustrating part.
 
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anyone on McLaren here? this thing drinks fuel like crazy. I simply can not understand how to race today

McLaren cannot fuel save too much, but it doesn't drink too much fuel either. Just make sure you are shifting at no more than 60% of the RPM bar, that's the optimum point for the 650S Gr.4. If you go to the end of the rev range, not only you are wasting fuel, you are missing performance too.
 
Came into this one unable to sneak back into SR A. However the room was still worth around the usual points so no worries there.
I have learnt not to come into these off the back of a daily race. I have been going back through my Driving Missions. I'm not longer using TCS, I'm a little faster and have people to beat on the learderboards. So it has helped me focus a little. So entered the lobby ready. Thankfully the car behaved.
Door 2.
My first qualy lap was good for 2nd but I knew I could get into the 29's. However for a reason I cannot figure out I was too casual into turn 1. This meant I was 3 to 4 tenths down in sector 1. I nailed the end of the lap and was only 3 tenths of my lap 1 time so if I had done a better turn 1 I'd have had a front row. In the end I was knocked down to 4th.
Lap 1 and a RCZ goes wide at turn 3 gifting me a place. Lap 2 the Corvette in 2nd gets a penalty and I am up to 2nd. A lap or 2 later and another RCZ gets me into turn 1. The 2 RCZ's ahead then battle over the next few laps. I was happy knowing their tyres would go off towards the end and I could pick up the pieces. However those behind started to catch. I could not find a way past without risking my own safety. An Aston caught up and the 4 of us switched places a few times. Eventually the Corvette gained again and got me with a good move through the esses. I was better in the next double right. I accidentally gave him the briefest tap at the last corner. He seemed to go wide by himself and half spin. He corrected it and whilst I was alongside I was giving him the position. However he then turned into Schumacher.
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This allowed the Aston back past and gave the Corvette a 2 second penalty. Thankfully the last I saw of him. The Aston got past the squabbling RCZ's and drove off. Eventually 1 pitted obviously annoyed at the tyre wear. Over the next few laps I gained on the remaining RCZ. We went side by side through the first esses without contact and I pulled ahead along the straight. They obviously played clever and didn't fight into BBB. I pulled a small gap and made a second or two into the lead gap. But it was too little too late and I crossed the line in a very decent 2nd.
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The Aston was in the right place at the right time. (But still can win @Pigems )
If I had been a bit bolder and tried to fight the battling RCZ's who were actually fighting fair then I wouldn't have lost time and encountered the idiot. This would have probably resulted in a win for me. However I cannot complain with 2nd place.
 
The last time I raced for Subaru in the Manufacturer Series, I remember the Gr.4 WRX being absolutely horrible on tyre wear with the higher multipliers in force at the time. So count me shocked when I found out that on BB +5 it could set decent lap times and sustain those times in test races without losing too much ground on the leaders. Would it maintain that promise for my first showing in the main 2021 championships?

17:00 Manufacturers

Entered alongside another WRX and the slickest-looking Mustang I've seen courtesy of @watto79. Pace was consistent with the best set in test lobbies; first lap was a 1:28.502 which would have been good enough for me to provisionally start 6th. Following the blue Lexus around, I gained an extra tenth out of his slipstream, but backed out so as to not compromise his own run. Thought about pulling over to one side with ten seconds remaining as the pole-sitting Viper and the other WRX were right behind, but made it across the line just in time for another go. At the final corner, both the Lexus and a Spanish Jaguar go wide, and I have to duck towards the pit wall as the Jag veers into my path. To my utter amazement, I survive and clock a 1:28.315, good enough to snatch 2nd and start behind the Viper.

All things considered, the race worked out fine. Went a little too deep into the first corner and the Viper ran away with the lead early on. The two Caymans behind were on better pace and picked me off at Turn 7 on Laps 2 and 4; this didn't matter too much as my priority was to not work the front tyres too hard in the early stages. Nevertheless, I managed to set a chain of mid-high 1:28s (including a provisional fastest of 1:28.653) to stay in range with the Caymans up until the halfway mark, and to break free of the scrap between the Jaguar and a fading Peugeot.

One of the issues I encountered during practice was that the front-left tended to wear out faster than the front-right, and that issue crept up again a few laps later. In my attempt to nurse the fronts, I was beginning to instinctively brake earlier for some corners, which along with slipstream allowed the Jaguar to get a strong run and pass me at Turn 10 on Lap 13. Regardless, I was able to follow the Jag around easily and had a couple of good scraps whenever he came close to throwing it off the track entirely. I did try to pass him a few times, but didn't quite have the momentum to make those stick.

Up ahead, the Viper and both Caymans were scrapping for the lead, so I thought against making any rash moves on the Jag just in case we could capitalise on any last-minute incidents between the trio. Though the Viper lost the lead and picked up a track limits penalty through the final S-bend, we were still about 3-4 seconds down by the time we crossed the line, so that didn't quite work out as I had thought. Still, a 5th place finish, a clean and close battle between myself and one of the OP machines, and a total time (26:51.848) two seconds faster than the fastest I had achieved in testing. A great start to my second run with the Scooby siblings, and respect to the Jaguar driver for what was a clean and close battle in the last third.

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Had a fun race. Managed to qualify 2nd with a 1:27.7, and then after the 1st couple of corners I realised that the guy behind was losing the slipstream.

Guy in front (an Atenza) was flying so I resolved to just try and stay with him and not go for any overtakes. This worked quite well and we slowly built a lead, but I started to struggle in the 1st sector with the slow corners. I would be on his bumper into the 1st corner and then 0.6 secs down accelerating onto the straight. I managed to catch up each time, but it became harder and harder.

I did think about trying to make an overtake on lap 17 but my tyres weren't up to it, so I crossed the finish line just over a second down in 2nd. 26:40 for the winner, so I was happy enough with the result and the points. Maybe could have tried to overtake earlier, but I was afraid of the group behind managing to catch up so was quiet race but fun seeing the difference between FF and 4WD.
 
The last time I raced for Subaru in the Manufacturer Series, I remember the Gr.4 WRX being absolutely horrible on tyre wear with the higher multipliers in force at the time. So count me shocked when I found out that on BB +5 it could set decent lap times and sustain those times in test races without losing too much ground on the leaders. Would it maintain that promise for my first showing in the main 2021 championships?

17:00 Manufacturers

Entered alongside another WRX and the slickest-looking Mustang I've seen courtesy of @watto79. Pace was consistent with the best set in test lobbies; first lap was a 1:28.502 which would have been good enough for me to provisionally start 6th. Following the blue Lexus around, I gained an extra tenth out of his slipstream, but backed out so as to not compromise his own run. Thought about pulling over to one side with ten seconds remaining as the pole-sitting Viper and the other WRX were right behind, but made it across the line just in time for another go. At the final corner, both the Lexus and a Spanish Jaguar go wide, and I have to duck towards the pit wall as the Jag veers into my path. To my utter amazement, I survive and clock a 1:28.315, good enough to snatch 2nd and start behind the Viper.

All things considered, the race worked out fine. Went a little too deep into the first corner and the Viper ran away with the lead early on. The two Caymans behind were on better pace and picked me off at Turn 7 on Laps 2 and 4; this didn't matter too much as my priority was to not work the front tyres too hard in the early stages. Nevertheless, I managed to set a chain of mid-high 1:28s (including a provisional fastest of 1:28.653) to stay in range with the Caymans up until the halfway mark, and to break free of the scrap between the Jaguar and a fading Peugeot.

One of the issues I encountered during practice was that the front-left tended to wear out faster than the front-right, and that issue crept up again a few laps later. In my attempt to nurse the fronts, I was beginning to instinctively brake earlier for some corners, which along with slipstream allowed the Jaguar to get a strong run and pass me at Turn 10 on Lap 13. Regardless, I was able to follow the Jag around easily and had a couple of good scraps whenever he came close to throwing it off the track entirely. I did try to pass him a few times, but didn't quite have the momentum to make those stick.

Up ahead, the Viper and both Caymans were scrapping for the lead, so I thought against making any rash moves on the Jag just in case we could capitalise on any last-minute incidents between the trio. Though the Viper lost the lead and picked up a track limits penalty through the final S-bend, we were still about 3-4 seconds down by the time we crossed the line, so that didn't quite work out as I had thought. Still, a 5th place finish, a clean and close battle between myself and one of the OP machines, and a total time (26:51.848) two seconds faster than the fastest I had achieved in testing. A great start to my second run with the Scooby siblings, and respect to the Jaguar driver for what was a clean and close battle in the last third.

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Great racing with you even if consistent 28's were beyond my ability.

The slick looking Mustang is really courtesy of @RacingGrandpa though :)

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Gotta be honest when it comes to the BoP, the Gr.4 Lancer really needs some help.

Turbo powered cars don't get out dragged at the start of a straight by much, especially out of slow corners.

There was a number of times today where one of the Mustangs was able to pull alongside out of the hairpin. The reality is that, that shouldn't be happening.

Sure down the back straight the Mustang should be able to catch up to and potentially even drive past the Lancer, a 5 litre V8 should be able to run down a 2 litre turbo in a straight line.

But that's not what's happening, you have to hassle the Lancer to get everything out of it, lap after lap and hope you are error free or you get spanked far harder than some of the others.

And as others have mentioned, the Lancer isn't the only car hurting under the current BoP.
There are a few factors. Torque, gearing and suspension.
Remember, today's 2wd cars, are just as quick as many AWD cars. In race trim, on slicks, with PD's BOP, the Mustang is strong off-throttle and it has a strong 3rd gear, in the torque band, to make acceleration a problem for that turbo 4.
 
I saw a car go off and i thought, "ALREADY?!". Race just started.

@Famine That Atenza in my race went well. Don't think you'll have a problem. It ran as high as 4th, but had a 1 second penalty.

Dude! I was in your race haha! ClanFever in 3rd, and my friend ExpatChamp in 2nd. You qualified well, too bad for the lag. At the start, you just stopped? Good on ya for letting people by if it was to avoid lag issues.

I had some good fights with the Atenza you speak off, might as well write my blurb for the race here too



Oh yeah!!! 3rd! First podium of the season, and it's only the 3rd race! Have I peaked too early? Probably!


Started in 6th, could possibly have got a little higher but 5 minutes is not long to string something together. Only had Joe in the lobby, the other 18 drivers I did not know. And I knew my little Toyota 86 was going to struggle, I had the only non turbo 4 cylinder in the lobby, the rest had more displacement, more cylinders or had hair driers.


Pushed my way through, and stayed absolutely consistent. I had a few taps with the Red Mazda pictured, and me and the Corvette ended up banging doors, I went for a nice inside move and the Corvette turned in on me, and we both bounced off each other. He went flying into no where and I managed to stay on the track.

Kept those laps up, and the guys in 3rd and 4th had a fight and ended up slowing each other down considerably. Went for a move and it stuck for the rest of the race.


Here's hoping we can get some more drives like that!

Same race as @05XR8. Idiots wanted to race in qualifying. Q18. The Vantage has no pace on this track for some reason.

Got a good run at the start, passed a stationary GTR at the s/f (good to his word). Tacked on to the back of the bunch down the back straight and then p19 decides to simply push my rear end around through BBB. Spin off track, race over. Limped home in 19th as another Vantage spun on about lap 9.

Good luck if you’re in the Aston, they finished 9th, 16th, 19th and 20th in that one.

I’m going to cool down and consider whether I try again in a later slot.

Apologies, I may have been one of those guys "racing" you. I do my best to make space, I know what you mean. I was in the grey 86 with blue writing. Our leagues even have rules to spread out at Qually. I got on the pace and just caught you and had to make a pass to keep on my time unfortunately, we may have had a small touch, I can't recall right now. I just know we were together in Qually but then you qualified far down the line. I suppose the Aston really isn't doing too well if the 86 can pip it.
 
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Apologies, I may have been one of those guys "racing" you. I do my best to make space, I know what you mean. I was in the grey 86 with blue writing. Our leagues even have rules to spread out at Qually. I got on the pace and just caught you and had to make a pass to keep on my time unfortunately, we may have had a small touch, I can't recall right now. I just know we were together in Qually but then you qualified far down the line. I suppose the Aston really isn't doing too well if the 86 can pip it.
Nah man, you were all good. I got out of pit lane first and had a small gap to the next guy during the out lap. it was pretty clear I didn’t have the pace of the other cars but I was going ok until the double right hander when the peanut just threw it up the inside from 0.3 back and pushed me wide. Killed both our laps. I think you went past me through the first turn in lap 2. I tried to give you plenty of room. Hopefully we didn’t contact each other.
 
I entered slot 2 - absolute bin fire of a race. Finished 15th.

Slot 3 - qualified 12th, had a great clean race with a Mercedes for the first 8-9 laps, switching positions between ourselves and gaining places from others' misfortunes. We caught a BMW driver who, whilst I wouldn't exactly call him dirty, he was definitely pushing the envelope. I made a small error and lost the slipstream of those guys and spent a couple of laps getting back on terms, when I did I passed them both through turn 1 with a move which at the time I thought was fine, but on watching the replay I did go really deep into the corner and compromised their entry to the hairpin, so it was a bit nawty, apologies to the Mercedes driver if you're out there (Not the BMW though, he deserved it!).

Laps 10-15 I was catching another BMW in front and was being caught by a Finn driving a Corvette behind. The Corvette was on my tail from about lap 14 and his driving was really good. We both caught and passed the BMW on the last corner of lap 16 and Corvette boy got a great run on me on the pit straight on lap 17 to pass me at the first corner of the last lap. Came home 10th which is about as good as I'm going to get here. More importantly a REALLY fun race!!



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Great racing with you even if consistent 28's were beyond my ability.

The slick looking Mustang is really courtesy of @RacingGrandpa though :)

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I'm happy every time I see someone using my liveries! Hope you enjoyed the race in my darling.

I made it to the second to last race. Door #14, Q 14 and lo and behold finished as 14.
Because I was nice and let a guy through on the inside of T2 lap 4. 2 others followed, the last one barge through and got 2 seconds penalty. I think I passed him 6 times in the penalty zone. Him and a guy in a Scirocco where constantly flashing behind me but since I'm in the Mustang I am not going to let them by as a courtesy, if they want past they better find a way around.
They didn't. So I fini6where I started.
I drove my Volt Racing car and surprisingly there was another driver in the race in his own version of the same car.
40 points was my "haul". But I enjoyed the race
 
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@Windfire1010

Thanks for the stream!

I don’t usually watch streams but for some reason I decided to check it out. I have to say that is was great to watch such great driving from all that I could see. Everyone was leaving space. No one was dive bombing. Even with some of the bumper to bumper action, everyone seemed to respect each other’s space and not punt on purpose.

I’m sure it had to do with the caliber of drivers in the room since even I recognized most of the names that are always on top of the leaderboards. I wish everyone would learn to drive with that kind of etiquette.

Now I’m off to try my luck and in the next slot!
 
Came out guns blazing after scoring wins in both the Nations and Toyota Cup races, so was thinking 3 in a row. Yup, it’s typical bumper cars in the other class I’m fairly useless at; Gr. 4, and can’t recall last time I’ve run this circuit layout (very underrated), so had to rely on my talents more than experience. Well, as you guys all know, my talents behind the wheel are suspect at best. And with other drivers of equal or much, much worse skills driving, it was going to be an absolute adventure.

Qualifying was meh. 12th after not being patient and backing off in the out lap, rather than let the boobs pull ahead and benefit from their slipstream. By then I’ve already come to the conclusion a third win in a week wasn’t coming. But knew a decent race was possible.

Start off alright. Worked way up to 7th from various offs and penalties, but the pace just wasn’t there. 1:30 lap after 1:30 lap just wasn’t cutting it, as I found an Evo and Cayman pull away fairly quickly after getting by. And kinda just rode around for the rest of the race. Had some pressure from a Merc at the end, but I think he realized my talent was going to supersede his on the final lap as after a botched pass on the banky boi, he did not attempt another overtake, which surprised me more than anything as I had my worst go at the final sector on that lap. Sliding like one of those drift cars and nearly parking the thing on the final corner to make sure I didn’t run wide.

So 9th was my best. And I’m alright with that. Manufacturer races are always bit hairy, and this was an 8 foot sasquatch. So to at least trim my way through the pack and gain positions, rather than lose, is very much seen as a positive note to end my day.
 
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Wow, what a mess.

I finally matched my pre-update practice time right before slot 1 and jumped in hoping for the best. My qualy was good enough for P6 - 2 tenths off of P2 and that fact pretty much defined the race.

I started the race poorly and that's all on me - some track penalties along with some other stupid mistakes dropped me back to P8 by L3. But then everyone in front of me except for P1 (who just ran away from everyone and had a pretty boring race) started fighting hard. My little pack catches up with them and it starts to get real messy. Then P9 & P10 catch up with us and it just got stupid. I've never been in a race where so many people thought that it was a good idea to go three wide into every corner. Every time I worked my way through, someone would divebomb/ram me and I'd drop to the back of the pack. Even with all the penalties that were flying around, it was impossible to break away from the pack.

After about 3-4 laps of madness, the massive pack starts to slowly fragment. I have the unfortunate luck of being mixed up with an awfully bargy and pushy Canadian in a Citroen when that happens. He pushed me aside on several apexes whenever I got in front of him and did a lot of swerving and blocking several other times when I tried to set up an overtake. I try to be patient as I can see that he's destroyed his tires but by L17 the combination of his pushiness and my own mistakes reaches the end of my patience and I divebomb him back. He immediately tries to punt me back the next corner but it unsettles his car more than mine. I finally put some distance between us and cross the line in P7.

After the race he yells at me that his moves were clean and that I rammed him. I call him a massive d*** and leave it at that.

I gave a lot of thought about running another slot as I feel like I should be able to do better than P7 on this combo. I finally decide that I'm too worked up after that race and probably won't be smart if I run it again. I'll just hop into the alt and do a couple races at Spa in anticipation for Nations this weekend.

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Started 8th, finished 7th. Only Corvette to start in the Top 10, and only one to finish there. 206 points. Honestly I felt like I should've had better pace than I did, but even my 7th place was lucky as I benefitted from people tangling in front of me near the end, otherwise I would've had 8th. I don't really want to jeapordize this result though, so I'm calling it a night for this round. Hopefully Fuji will be better for me.

Edit: forgot to acknowledge fellow GTP members @KiepeYai and @Pigems who were also in my race.:gtpflag:
 
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FIA Manu Round 2

BMW M4 GT4

All A/S lobby

Door: 15 / Qualy: 3rd / Finished 8th

first lap in the big dip, guy behind me has a closer line over the white concrete and comes out straight at me and took me out to 17th! - put on some war paint and fought hard for every position to finish in 8th for 112 points! - Good for the night

:cheers:

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I entered the second Manufacturers Series round, got a clean Q15/P15, but I had some real nice battles literally right to the last corner of the last lap. But I'm still not feeling confident in my skills, as I was driving the Genesis Gr.4, and so was the Argentinian pole-sitter. So I can't say it's the car that's slow. For what it's worth, my brake balance was +/- 0, though I was considering the idea of moving it towards the rear one or two notches. I'm generally unsure if I should continue the Manufacturers Series or if I should just give up and play something else, especially since I’m continuing to lose DR.
 
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Wow, what a mess.

I finally matched my pre-update practice time right before slot 1 and jumped in hoping for the best. My qualy was good enough for P6 - 2 tenths off of P2 and that fact pretty much defined the race.

I started the race poorly and that's all on me - some track penalties along with some other stupid mistakes dropped me back to P8 by L3. But then everyone in front of me except for P1 (who just ran away from everyone and had a pretty boring race) started fighting hard. My little pack catches up with them and it starts to get real messy. Then P9 & P10 catch up with us and it just got stupid. I've never been in a race where so many people thought that it was a good idea to go three wide into every corner. Every time I worked my way through, someone would divebomb/ram me and I'd drop to the back of the pack. Even with all the penalties that were flying around, it was impossible to break away from the pack.

After about 3-4 laps of madness, the massive pack starts to slowly fragment. I have the unfortunate luck of being mixed up with an awfully bargy and pushy Canadian in a Citroen when that happens. He pushed me aside on several apexes whenever I got in front of him and did a lot of swerving and blocking several other times when I tried to set up an overtake. I try to be patient as I can see that he's destroyed his tires but by L17 the combination of his pushiness and my own mistakes reaches the end of my patience and I divebomb him back. He immediately tries to punt me back the next corner but it unsettles his car more than mine. I finally put some distance between us and cross the line in P7.

After the race he yells at me that his moves were clean and that I rammed him. I call him a massive d*** and leave it at that.

I gave a lot of thought about running another slot as I feel like I should be able to do better than P7 on this combo. I finally decide that I'm too worked up after that race and probably won't be smart if I run it again. I'll just hop into the alt and do a couple races at Spa in anticipation for Nations this weekend.

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Hey man, that was me. Just wanted to say I was having lag spike issues all race and had no intention of being extra pushy or dive bomb. I honestly mean that as on my screen it jumped you around after I made my move thinking I was making the first one.

Hope you can forgive me.
 
Hey man, that was me. Just wanted to say I was having lag spike issues all race and had no intention of being extra pushy or dive bomb. I honestly mean that as on my screen it jumped you around after I made my move thinking I was making the first one.

Hope you can forgive me.

Honestly, given the connectivity issues that have happened since they combined North and South America, I have no problem believing that lag was the issue. I've been involved in some issues in dailies where according the replay a phantom pushed me wide in a turn. Thanks for the apology and hopefully some of these server issues get worked out. But it's PD so....
 
Decided to sign for Jaguar after all and raced the first slot, only one I could do today.

Qualy wasn't good. Guy bailed lap ahead of me in the racing line, had to take evasive action and got overtaken. Should have gone back to menu and go again trying to find a slip, but didn't and made a mistake on my second lap. Just managed to get a third lap in, without slipstream, which wasn't very good either, but enough for P11 on the grid. Poleman was well into the 27s, not sure what he was doing in a low A lobby. :confused::lol:

All clean into T1, then the WRX ahead of me spun out of T2 on cold tyres and I had to lift to avoid clipping him, meaning I already lost the slipstream. Lexus behind luckily decided to work together and bump drafted, so we got back into the slip. Then gained another position from a guy going off. Started lap 2 in P9, when two of the three guys ahead of me hit each other and picked up penalties, while the other one disappeared (disconnection I assume). So I was suddenly up to P6, but with the top 5 almost 3 secs up the road, bye bye slip, was nice to meet you. :lol:

With the top 5 having slipstream, I obviously didn't manage to catch them. The rest of my race was about staying ahead of the Cayman in 7th. Luckily, the reason I picked the Jag worked well. He didn't have the top speed to get out of the draft and attempt a move, so he used my slipstream and we pulled away from all the drivers behind. I eventually dropped him from my draft, although he remained between 0.8 and 1.4s until the end, so I had no room for errors.

My pace wasn't great with the Jag, high 29 and very low 30s, but I was surprised with my consistency, considering it was my first ever race with the F-type. I think I did 5 laps in a row in the same tenth. After gaining positions in the first two laps, pretty uneventful race, didn't have any more action.

P6 at the end, points weren't great, but happy with the comeback, and finally having a clean race after a while... :cheers:
 
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