- 325
- Louisiana
Good strat, mine was pretty much the same. Chaos seemed to subside after the first lap for me. Well done in your race, you picked up quite a few spots!
2021 FIA Series Race Discussion
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Good strat, mine was pretty much the same. Chaos seemed to subside after the first lap for me. Well done in your race, you picked up quite a few spots!
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- United States
My optimum is slowly coming down for this weeks Manu but man, I'm not confident in a competitive pace after just starting to learn the track this weekend. Given more time, sure. But it's alot of turns to get a good groove.
The 86 is pretty fun around it when I have some moments but consistency is proving difficult.
The 86 is pretty fun around it when I have some moments but consistency is proving difficult.
- 5,582
- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
I'm quietly hopeful for the Viper at Nurburgring. I've not tried the fuel/tyre settings but it's strong on lap time in optimal conditions.
Anyone got any tips for strategy for this race?
Anyone got any tips for strategy for this race?
- 1,720
- Australia
Stay on the black stuff?
- 5,582
- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
🤣 🤣 🤣 That's a good idea! Might try that...
But, regarding tyres and fuel. Pit end of lap 1? Or lap 2? Fuel saving likely to be a factor?
- 1,230
- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
Awesome livery... I saw either you or another who used it in my race with Raccoon and Q8 and meant to live kudos in the chat after... but was in a hurry to get to the helicopter and away from Interlagos as fast as I could after the misery of my own race. But I love those players cars. JV's Indy winner is one of my all-time favorites (and the first 500 I attended, with my Canadian best friend), and Greg Moore, Alex Tagliani, those guys all were fun to watch in one of the best looking Indy Cars out there.I found myself in the second slot with @C_Raccoon23 and @Q8Racer7 (a couple of posts above) yesterday night. Never been in such a high DR lobby before, but I had a remarkable practice time for my usual standards, so here it goes...
A great qualifying brought me to start from the third place. Fortunately, things went smooth and I managed to keep my position through the first lap, even gaining a position due to the leader spinning out at T4. I raced with confidence, using my overtake wisely, and ended up finishing third, a few seconds behind Q8Racer7 if I am right. Oh what a race it was... My hands were shaky after that one😅.
My best personal score so far! 180+ points. Wow! Thanks to everybody involved. Couldn't be happier, especially as a Nurb race is coming our way.
I also wanted to pay a little tribute to Patrick Carpentier, one of my favorite childhood drivers. I was rocking his IndyCar Player's Forsythe livery yesterday night. I'm sure it helpedStay safe folks
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- United Kingdom
- Hasnain282
I've not done any laps but I heard tyre wear isn't too bad so you probably don't have to change them.
You have to fuel save to make it without refuelling though if you do refuel it's better if you pit lap 2 as you'd be spending a longer amount of time with less fuel
- 5,582
- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
There's a mandatory pit stop, so I'll probably throw some fresh treads on to maximise potential in the second stint. I'm thinking 2/1 split, but not sure if fuel will be needed. Might run a simulation tonight to test fuel use.
- 1,072
- Behind you
- 2,430
- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
out training right now….
….and was thinking about strategy for round 4 during my first moto. I think in the lobbies I’ll be in (high b, low A if I go on the main), positions lost and gained will be dependent on track familiarity. That’s what I’m banking on at least. For me personally, (and kind of design because the Ferrari makes most of its power up top), fuel saving isn’t extremely feasible for me. If anything, the Ferrari handles better with a bit of fuel in it
Also, depending what lap I pit is going to be dependent on traffic as we complete the first lap. I think most people are going to go 2-1 to maximize their time with a light car. Makes sense.
My race is purely going to depend on me putting myself off the tarmac, or getting put off the black stuff. And my best defense against either, is clear road fore and aft
….and was thinking about strategy for round 4 during my first moto. I think in the lobbies I’ll be in (high b, low A if I go on the main), positions lost and gained will be dependent on track familiarity. That’s what I’m banking on at least. For me personally, (and kind of design because the Ferrari makes most of its power up top), fuel saving isn’t extremely feasible for me. If anything, the Ferrari handles better with a bit of fuel in it
Also, depending what lap I pit is going to be dependent on traffic as we complete the first lap. I think most people are going to go 2-1 to maximize their time with a light car. Makes sense.
My race is purely going to depend on me putting myself off the tarmac, or getting put off the black stuff. And my best defense against either, is clear road fore and aft
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- United Kingdom
Yes I gave the Viper a run tonight and managed a no refuel with just short shifting and slip....
- 5,582
- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
Are you guys doing simulation runs in lobbies or custom races? I couldn't get the tyre/fuel to set to 5/6 in custom race so just ran laps in a free run lobby with the right settings. Managed to get around for three laps without refueling but my lap times were fairly shocking. A good 15s off my earlier free practice lap time, at best! Also started feeling the tyre loss during the second lap so I wouldn't be keen to run three laps on them.
I'm now thinking fuelling might be the way to go, simply to counter the option of fuel saving and losing so much lap time. 🤔
I'm now thinking fuelling might be the way to go, simply to counter the option of fuel saving and losing so much lap time. 🤔
- 1,720
- Australia
Done a bit of testing for the ring now. Have the Cayman down to a 7:08.1xx in FP. In race conditions tyre wear is no issue and a full noise lap uses 42% of a tank. If I aggressively short shift I can get that down to about 36%. Fuel map 2 with some short shifting in the twisty bits will get me 33% of a tank per lap.
I’m much more consistent using the fm2 so I am tempted to go for a drive through stop and hope that the difference in pit time gets me some places.
BUT I am concerned that I will be vulnerable to the bully boys who will simply barge through at full pace with no regard for any other strategies and ruin the racing.
Decisions, decisions.
I’m much more consistent using the fm2 so I am tempted to go for a drive through stop and hope that the difference in pit time gets me some places.
BUT I am concerned that I will be vulnerable to the bully boys who will simply barge through at full pace with no regard for any other strategies and ruin the racing.
Decisions, decisions.
Haven't done any testing yet either in my Evo but I'm wondering if all this fuel saving trouble will be worth it given that we have to pit anyway. If you're stuck behind a slower car, well, you may as well save fuel but if you have clear track I think you'll lose less time going flat out and refueling on such a long and demanding track. Unless you're very good at this but...
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- Behind you
Yeah you can't use custom cos you could make bank using low powered cars against high ones and setting the tyres (I presume before my time) so high they were crashing or it could be run out of fuel?????
So getting accurate times on your own is a pain in the lobby. Done a little testing, but going to try running flat out (probably change tyres) and fuel saving keep tyres. It will depend on the car though and in race you might get lucky and be running behind someone at your pace.
- 1,072
- Behind you
OK done the test and slightly surprised. Even with 3 minor offs against clean laps fueling was 11 secs faster, BUT 1st lap used only 35% fuel. Since I pitting lap 1 for the first run I did the same with fueling and came out 4 secs ahead of my fuel saving run.
Honestly though I'd say run the first 2 laps only fuel saving when your behind someone and obviously down the straight and then splash and dash or not depending how you did. I think most of us B and below players probably lose too much fuel saving compared to the maybe 4 extra seconds in the pit. Obviously this is all going to depend on your skill and what car your in. That was the Viper, going to do a quick test of my alts Ferrari to see how that copes.
DON'T CHANGE TYRES, BUT YOU MIGHT NEED TO ALTER BB TO SAVE THE FRONTS
Honestly though I'd say run the first 2 laps only fuel saving when your behind someone and obviously down the straight and then splash and dash or not depending how you did. I think most of us B and below players probably lose too much fuel saving compared to the maybe 4 extra seconds in the pit. Obviously this is all going to depend on your skill and what car your in. That was the Viper, going to do a quick test of my alts Ferrari to see how that copes.
DON'T CHANGE TYRES, BUT YOU MIGHT NEED TO ALTER BB TO SAVE THE FRONTS
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- 5,582
- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
I guess the thing to consider is: overtaking at Nurburgring is not easy. So having all that extra pace and trying to get past the slower guys who are fuel saving will not be straightforward, so you may end up losing a load of time trying to get past slower guys AND still have to refuel and lose even more time. It's a difficult one to get nailed down, and I think, as some of the other guys have mentioned, it'll come down to your specific race. If I can get myself in clear air somewhere near the front of the field I'll almost certainly be going flat out and doing a full pit stop, but the risk is losing track position and not getting it back. If I'm the mid-pack or, worse, near the back, I'll almost definitely be fuel saving and going for a drive-through stop to try get ahead of the guys going flat out using my first choice strategy.
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- Sunny Glasgow
- Uncle_baz
- UncleBaz
So ive done some testing with the Citroen and im having to fuel save to make sure im not in the pits for too long for a splash and dash (no need for tyres)
Strategy will be decided on the straight at the end of lap 1, if the cars in front have good pace i will stay out and save more fuel. if i feel i can go faster in free air then i will pit and fuel up (this depends on how much faster i can go versus the time for fueling)
i think its keep you nose clean for the first x amount of corners and wait and see what happens when it settles down. So id expect a few trains behind the fuel savers... and probably some aggressive moves by some.
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- United States
I switched to only testing in lobbies because the tire model is different than custom races. I just setup a private lobby and get to work. It's helped me quite a bit. Usually I'll solo practice or friends jump in and I'll try out some public test lobbies the day before the race.
- 2,430
- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
This is going to be the problem fuel saving…. getting ran off. I see both sides of it. I’m definitely not going to be fuel saving, but if I run behind someone who is, it’ll be extremely tough to race clean. Nurburgring is an extremely tough track to pass on. As much as I would like to make clean passes, I can see myself approaching this race like I do in enduros on my dirt bike (basically time trials through individual sections). When you come up on a slower rider, you give them a panic rev to let them know you’re behind them and faster. Then you give them 2 chances to pull over when it’s safe to let you through. IF…. After 2 opportunities go by and they fail to let you through…. You move them out of the way.
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- Rotterdam
- mcl-1974-2
When i do a race like this and try to save fuel or tyres I keep an eye on the times of the car behind me. If one is approaching fast then likely he is on a different strategy or just much better then me.
Either way, i am not going to waste time and fight him for position and will let him past the first good oppertunity. Problem is many wil not wait for that first oppertunity and will simply ram you off, especially now that there are no penalties. (awesome, thanks PD! great idea!!!
)So this race i will see what is going on around me; is the car ahead fuel saving then I will try to follow. Is it not then neither will I. And will pit when i think it is safest and avoid a pack of racers. Will base strategy on avoiding getting bullied off track, rather then fuel save or not. (suck at fuel saving anyway)
That is if i get home in time as I have an evening shift till 22.00 hrs, leaving me 20 minutes to get home and get ready....
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- Druids Bend
- Z4E_Midnight85
- 688
- Croatia
- NekoPuffer_PPP
I'm nervous about tomorrow's race... I want to give it my all on my favourite track. I took a few days off from practicing, luckily I still have the pace. I just dropped my lap time in the SLS to 7:02.956 and the optimal time down to 7:01.545. It's still a bit sloppy, a sub-7 is definitely there but it requires outright perfection...
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Any fuel saving tips would be appreciated...I'll try to stick behind others if possible, but I'm worried about the fuel mapping and shift points. I'm thinking I'll have the brake balance at +1 to retain more grip in the front tires. +2 makes the back end too spinny, I can use the gears to swing it around enough already.
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Any fuel saving tips would be appreciated...I'll try to stick behind others if possible, but I'm worried about the fuel mapping and shift points. I'm thinking I'll have the brake balance at +1 to retain more grip in the front tires. +2 makes the back end too spinny, I can use the gears to swing it around enough already.
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- Ulricehamn
Anyone that's doing that to me will be the victim of a dive come next corner.
That kind of racing isn't racing.
If you can't find a way past.without pushing the other one off you aren't really faster are you.
It's a good thing we race in different regions so I don't have to worry about a GTP member being a dirty driver.
Being a douche over a spot in an exhibition season is even more unexplainable.
So you are willing to destroy someone's race over a few measley points that means absolutely nothing?
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- Australia
So here’s the problem. It’s not like an enduro stage at all. You’re both running the same race timing, not staggered starts. If a car starts in front of me on the grid then it was quicker in qualifying. If I am sudddenly quicker in race then we’re probably using different strategies.
The car in front choosing a strat which makes use of the track characteristics to maximize the effectiveness of their approach is absolutely legitimate. It only becomes problematic if they block unreasonably. They don’t have to get out of your way. It is NOT ok to push them off just because you THINK you are quicker at that particular point in the race.
It’s your responsibility to work out how to get past fairly when the other car has track position.
Overall this attitude highlights why I am nervous about fuel saving. There is a sense of entitlement and desperation that pervades the cars who are running flat out, even though they may be slower over all.
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- Rotterdam
- mcl-1974-2
If a driver IRL gets stuck behind a slower car then he has to follow rules and regulations and can not simply barge through. Stewards are watching and if you do something wrong then you are likey to be punished. Think about Alonso stuck behind Petrov; all he has to do is pass him and the most prestigious world title is his. Well, he couldn't and he didn't. Why; because there were rules and he was being judged. And also because a ram could damage his car, off course.
Now, i am sure that if there were no stewards and no damage Alonso would have simply rammed Petrov off track and crownned himself champion. That is exactly why we need a penalty system and real damage in a racing game!
It happened to me several times, I had the oddesity to qualify ahead of an A driver in a practice lobby. During the race he is faster, will he pass me? no!; there is no time, the peasant needs to move. So I am simply punted off. (once I asked a A+ driver, top 10 often, after the race why he punted me and he replied with "you shoulf now your place")
Same with different strategies, a few seasons ago i qualified third in a race where i needed to save fuel and tyres to avoid a pitstop.
I did not wanted to fight others who went for a one-stopper and planned to let those cars past on straight if needed. I would get my places back at the pit stops, after all. After two laps i was 16th because none of the drivers had any patience and simply barged through.
So my current strategies are not so much about actual racing but more about surviving. If things get heated I will back of and settle for points. Not really fun but the alternative is ending up in the gravel all to often.
We have no penalties anymore and there is no damage in this game. That means you can now do whatever you want. And I have had several races the last weeks where i have seen the dirty driver taking the victory by simply ramming the others off track. There are no consequences so they get away with it and get the reward.
I am still racing and on occasion you get into awesome duels with drivers that are clean. But more and more palyers will get dirty as it is the easiest way to get the rewards. I think that soon I will stop playing this game once that gets to frustrating....
Now, i am sure that if there were no stewards and no damage Alonso would have simply rammed Petrov off track and crownned himself champion. That is exactly why we need a penalty system and real damage in a racing game!
It happened to me several times, I had the oddesity to qualify ahead of an A driver in a practice lobby. During the race he is faster, will he pass me? no!; there is no time, the peasant needs to move. So I am simply punted off. (once I asked a A+ driver, top 10 often, after the race why he punted me and he replied with "you shoulf now your place")
Same with different strategies, a few seasons ago i qualified third in a race where i needed to save fuel and tyres to avoid a pitstop.
I did not wanted to fight others who went for a one-stopper and planned to let those cars past on straight if needed. I would get my places back at the pit stops, after all. After two laps i was 16th because none of the drivers had any patience and simply barged through.
So my current strategies are not so much about actual racing but more about surviving. If things get heated I will back of and settle for points. Not really fun but the alternative is ending up in the gravel all to often.
We have no penalties anymore and there is no damage in this game. That means you can now do whatever you want. And I have had several races the last weeks where i have seen the dirty driver taking the victory by simply ramming the others off track. There are no consequences so they get away with it and get the reward.
I am still racing and on occasion you get into awesome duels with drivers that are clean. But more and more palyers will get dirty as it is the easiest way to get the rewards. I think that soon I will stop playing this game once that gets to frustrating....
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So here I am in OZ in my untested Toyota. I think the 86 is good on fuel, but just going for it pit on 2 and fuel if needed. Decent but could have done without the guys barging past me on outlap then slowing me down when they crashed on the quali. Still 4th so definitely going for the push and forget fuel unless it's convenient.
Well shouldn't have bothered, that wasn't a race it was a fight. Can't count how many times I was pushed off, yet I'm one of the few that gets a red sr????
I'm hardly doing dailies, missing any FIA that doesn't appeal and really doubting I'll be getting GT7.
Good luck to anyone trying this, might try Euro or might be sensible and hit delete.
Well shouldn't have bothered, that wasn't a race it was a fight. Can't count how many times I was pushed off, yet I'm one of the few that gets a red sr????
I'm hardly doing dailies, missing any FIA that doesn't appeal and really doubting I'll be getting GT7.
Good luck to anyone trying this, might try Euro or might be sensible and hit delete.
- 4,548
- Australia
Won and done 😄
Made up two places in the first minute thanks to some strange offs. Up another place at Schwedenkreuz thanks to being more aggressive and banking on the other driver backing out. Another mistake from someone ahead of me put me in third before Adenauer bridge and I passed second after Pfanzgarten. The leader stopped and I stayed out, so I led until the end of lap two where I pitted and rejoined in third thanks to the 86 being incredibly thirsty. I passed second halfway around the lap and took the lead just before the backstraight. Had to get the elbows out at the end and was fortunate to hold on but I pulled it off so happy with the result.
Made up two places in the first minute thanks to some strange offs. Up another place at Schwedenkreuz thanks to being more aggressive and banking on the other driver backing out. Another mistake from someone ahead of me put me in third before Adenauer bridge and I passed second after Pfanzgarten. The leader stopped and I stayed out, so I led until the end of lap two where I pitted and rejoined in third thanks to the 86 being incredibly thirsty. I passed second halfway around the lap and took the lead just before the backstraight. Had to get the elbows out at the end and was fortunate to hold on but I pulled it off so happy with the result.
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- Australia
Slot 1 Asia. Door 1. In with @RX8 Racer Qualifying was the usual Ring mess. Caught and passed 2 others on my flying lap. No unnecessary defending or barging but one of them was a really awkward spot and cost me a couple of seconds. Logged a 7:09.1xx That was good enough for Q6. Decided I would run hard until we spread out and then try and fuel save. It worked pretty well and I was tucked in p6 for most of the first lap. Let a Corvette through just before the straight to use his slip and ran FM 2 for the second lap without losing too much time. Made a mistake at the Karussel and let P8 through. Then let p9 through with not the straight again for slipstream.
Pitted lap 2 and had plenty of fuel left. So just a drive through (but so did most of the others) and came out in p8. Ran the last lap almost full throttle and was gaining good ground on the group in front. P7 went off at Wehrseifen and I gained a spot. Made good ground on p6 and was odds on for a top 6 finish until I cut a corner at Esshbach and copped a 0.5 penalty.
Held it together for the rest of the lap and P8 couldn’t quite catch me. In the final chicane the yellow flags came out and the pole sitter was on the inside wall. A bonus spot and p6 was mine. (Turned out he hadn’t pitted anyway so it was academic).
166 points, 1 and done.
From the post race chat it looked like @rx8racer was the victim of some dirty driving, but it was very respectful and fair up near the front. I was surprised at the patience shown to be honest.
Pitted lap 2 and had plenty of fuel left. So just a drive through (but so did most of the others) and came out in p8. Ran the last lap almost full throttle and was gaining good ground on the group in front. P7 went off at Wehrseifen and I gained a spot. Made good ground on p6 and was odds on for a top 6 finish until I cut a corner at Esshbach and copped a 0.5 penalty.
Held it together for the rest of the lap and P8 couldn’t quite catch me. In the final chicane the yellow flags came out and the pole sitter was on the inside wall. A bonus spot and p6 was mine. (Turned out he hadn’t pitted anyway so it was academic).
166 points, 1 and done.
From the post race chat it looked like @rx8racer was the victim of some dirty driving, but it was very respectful and fair up near the front. I was surprised at the patience shown to be honest.
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