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There's my excuse for not doing BMB then
2021 FIA Series Race Discussion
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- mcl-1974-2
Have to give my opinion here! To be clear rightaway, i do not feel offended by your above comment or anything. really not! But do hope that you will continue to drive fair while making your progress and not drop to the same level of those who think ramming is racing. Something of a downward spiral is already happening in the game!!!
I am riding B lobbies, say at app 60% in B level and i do encounter a lot of drivers that are, just like me, trying (and often succeeding) in driving honest and fair. I am not the fastest, but still slowly making progress and trying to get better.
Off course, with the penalty system off more and more drivers are "bending" the rules but still the majority of races i do in B are good and fair, without to much nasty incidents. And I never qualify "safe" up front; I am usually starting midfield.
You do get into a "poisenois" lobby once in a while, and will regret getting in it! But i am sure that this happens in every level
To be honest; do you know what dirty drivers i encour most in B lobbies lately? After being punted off three races in a row by someone who went on winning the races (2x) or getting a podium (1x) i started checking the DR/SR of the offenders. This as I noticed they were so much faster then me on track.
And guess what?; all were drivers that were at one or more time way above average B level!!! And all these guys had the attitude to not wait for an oppertunity to pass, they simply barge through or punt a lower level rider that has the oddesity to drive in front of them.
They got into lower levels anyway by being nasty and getting a reset and for some reason the game thinks that it is a good punishment to throw those idiots into unsuspecting B riders and all they have to is be faster and punt them off and get a win.
(With the penalty system switched off you will have to put a lot of effort into getting resetted anyway, i think?)
the biggest problem of this game is not the specific level a driver is in, it is that this game not only allows cheaters, it actually rewards them!!!
see the chart below; this is one of the drivers that punted several off track to win the race I was in recently. How come a game is allowing a driver like this to continue with his shenanigans, ruin other peoples races and even getting the victory?
quick disclaimer here just to be sure: I know many, many fair A level drivers (like Pirovacboy and xxPinkykissxx) that, even though they are much faster then the lower level drivers, always drive clean and honest and wait for an opprtunity to pass and not ram others.
And for that I thank all of them!!!
just my two cents or as we say in the Netherlands; mand!!!
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- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
That stinks, because the infield course is a fun one, I think it's a really well-crafted road course.
Er... wait... this race is on the OVAL!? Bummer. Yeah the Cayman has no top-end power at all and it's going to be maddening to watch everyone pull away on the straights if you make even the slightest mistake carrying max min speed at every corner... may have to skip it though I try to not to cherry-pick.
Man, your pace as a 'rookie' amazes me... you have got what it takes to be among the best. And if you truly didn't know the 'Ring by heart until this week and ran those times and had a finish like that... kudos, that's really impressive.
I followed that thread with an open mind. I know where @Yard_Sale was coming from, as I too will sometimes give a guy a chance to race sporting before getting more aggressive, but I'll never contact someone unfairly. It's a fine line. If they are moving in the braking zone, blocking on the exit after losing the rear on the apex, or brake checking to protect their spot, it's fair game... but if they are themselves racing clean and just in my way, I'm not entitled to their spot. I would rather demonstrate fine driving by staying impossibly close to them and putting the heat on until they make a mistake (at the Ring, a likely eventuality if you are patient). But I wouldn't ever condone forcing someone off just because I knew I was faster.
Sure, if the strategy is a factor, I expect some give and take, but still.
For example, a Vette held me up in qualifying yesterday, and he was carrying a penalty the whole lap. The idiot should have easily let me and the other guy between us through instead of holding us up, when he knew he'd lose 2 sec to us in the end anyway (and he had a 10 sec gap to work with before we caught him... sigh). But he didn't. Still, I didn't move him, despite multiple chances for more than half a lap. I wanted to, believe me. But it was also fun to ride his bumper, til he boned it himself, and then I got beside him cleanly and protected my own line. He sort of tried to rub me off then, but couldn't finish the move, and I cleared him by 2 sec after two turns, so all was well. In a more competitive room, I admit I may have been madder, but I won't dump people as a rule, unless they draw blood first.
...and yes @MCL1974 the game does indeed reward cheaters... it's a lot easier to win races when 'managing' your SR to allow you to grid against only one or two other fast drivers when you get knocked out of the top SR bins... and I'm sure that people recognize it and play the system to good effect to push their DR up. It's also way too easy to restore SR to grab top points in FIA lobbies. It sucks.
The NA region's most notorious offender was in my Ring race lobby, thankfully he earned pole (he is undoubtedly fast) and drove off to a win... actually best case scenario as he doesn't have to destroy anyone else's race in the process and the rest of us can race clean and fair.
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- KosmoKazi
It is all but a guarantee with me driving. that's what I was trying to say! It's hopelessly underpowered at such a race.
One fun fact and one question :
- Fun fact : I forgot to mention in my yesterday's race report that I triggered the False Start penalty countdown while waiting for all the red lights because... my car started to move backwards as the track was not flat and I wasn't braking
- Question : does the BoP not have special settings for Oval races ? I heard a while ago that in Gr.3 the Lancer was surprisingly good in an Oval, which made me hopeful for the upcoming race (then I realised it was gr.4
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- Fun fact : I forgot to mention in my yesterday's race report that I triggered the False Start penalty countdown while waiting for all the red lights because... my car started to move backwards as the track was not flat and I wasn't braking
- Question : does the BoP not have special settings for Oval races ? I heard a while ago that in Gr.3 the Lancer was surprisingly good in an Oval, which made me hopeful for the upcoming race (then I realised it was gr.4
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- Zorzil
I was thinking the same thing. I've only done a couple of oval races before but have been under the impression that all cars receive a special BOP with the same BHP and weight to level the playing ground.- Question : does the BoP not have special settings for Oval races ? I heard a while ago that in Gr.3 the Lancer was surprisingly good in an Oval, which made me hopeful for the upcoming race (then I realised it was gr.4
Seeing some of the comments on here had me wondering - do the normal strengths and weaknesses still kick in despite the BOP? I can imagine FFs and 4WDs will suffer on tyre wear at least.
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Seriously, thanks man. I've been working hard to get better and hopefully really compete in GT7.
I'm fortunate enough to have the time and know the theory considering my background. I still have alot to learn and bad habits to break, but I'm getting there. I am truly pretty new to the game and competing. My knowledge base and real world experience happen to crossover quite well.
I'll be passing on GR4 next week and getting an early jump on the next GR3 race since it's a new track as well. An extra week should help a little more. I'll have a lobby up quite a bit so if you want to work on laps feel free to jump in.
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- Michigan
- KosmoKazi
I am handy enough IRL behind the wheel, and have friends who race as well... the knowledge and skills don't always translate into good GT Sport pace... trust me. There are plenty others here who have good experience IRL, too, who could share their POV.
Certainly helps to understand the physics the game tries to approximate, though. Even if at a point, you get to where you can find the faults in the commercial/game grade model.
That said, as a commercial game costing $10 (when I bought it), it's really immersive and gives us at least a good taste of racing in a low cost and easy, accessible world, one where we don't have to make a full-time obsession-level investment in it (time and money both) to enjoy it. I've really enjoyed it. Don't know how I'd have gotten through the pandemic and all the shut-in time without it.
A PS4 Pro, nice TV, Logitech wheel (lucky enough to have bought before they were scarce), and Open Wheel seat, sure is cheaper than a track-spec Miata and membership to the local drive club and track! And safer.
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- equus_ferrum
One fun fact and one question :
- Fun fact : I forgot to mention in my yesterday's race report that I triggered the False Start penalty countdown while waiting for all the red lights because... my car started to move backwards as the track was not flat and I wasn't braking
- Question : does the BoP not have special settings for Oval races ? I heard a while ago that in Gr.3 the Lancer was surprisingly good in an Oval, which made me hopeful for the upcoming race (then I realised it was gr.4
Both Gr.3 and Gr.4 have special oval BoPs. I never bother to look at the settings aside from hp and weight since you can't change anything anyway, but the hp and weight values are still different for all the other cars. Apparently the power curves are a bit different too, at least for some cars like the Corvette.
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- London
I really wanted to go for a win at BMB but with the tire wear, fuel usage and 2 mandatory stops, its made it quite a challenge. Can see it being really tough to stay in a train with the stops and differences in time spent fuelling etc. If i end up in a lobby with anyone from here, lets buddy up!!!
@GTWolverine I was going to stay with chevy especially for this race. The car is a monster round there. (then i saw Citroen in the top 10 this morning
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@GTWolverine I was going to stay with chevy especially for this race. The car is a monster round there. (then i saw Citroen in the top 10 this morning
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Thanks for your replies @KosmoKazi and @GTWolverine but then how can you be sure already that the Porsche for example will be disastrous in the race ? Lobby testing ? Free Practice ?
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I agree. There is a line between real life and video game with GT sport. The top guys now how to cross it. At times I struggle knowing a car shouldn't do the things you can do in game and that's what I feel it will take to become top tier.
I mainly got into it after discussing racing with my wife and looking for something to make me feel like the old me. My panic disorder is no joke and a side effect of ocd. If I can channel energy it helps immensely and I can't really get on a real track anymore.
Granted I spent good money on gear it's by far less expensive than real racing. Lol. I played that game for years and quit because of it. I started building era correct pre ww2 hot rods and honestly have had more fun with those than racing.
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- equus_ferrum
The SLS should be decent too. It's a bit down on pace to cars like the Corvette from the replays I saw so far, but unlike some of the other cars, it should still be able to keep up in the slipstream - you probably don't want to be the one leading a pack though. A McLaren is currently at the top of the board in the Americas, followed by a couple of Citroens and Corvettes (including me for the moment).I really wanted to go for a win at BMB but with the tire wear, fuel usage and 2 mandatory stops, its made it quite a challenge. Can see it being really tough to stay in a train with the stops and differences in time spent fuelling etc. If i end up in a lobby with anyone from here, lets buddy up!!!
@GTWolverine I was going to stay with chevy especially for this race. The car is a monster round there. (then i saw Citroen in the top 10 this morning
I don't know about the Porsche specifically, but any car that's more than 0.5s slower per lap in FP than the fastest cars (so far the quickest appear to be the McLaren, Citroen, and Chevy) probably won't be able to be saved by the slipstream.
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Hoping the SLS has good scope in draft as the rev bar isnt full at top speed. Cars like the Viper are screaming at the rev limiter. I know the Cayman almost has an extra gear in draft. Lose the draft and you're finished.
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- The failed experiment entitled “California”.
If I’m being honest, my personality is only slightly embellished here on the interwebz….mainly because I’m hiding behind a keyboard (understandably so).
If I wanted clean, competitive races, all I would have to do is log onto my US accounts that are in the A’s by the skin of my teeth. However, the reason I’m hell-bent on getting my Euro account up is two-fold.
First, I want to get placed in the lobbies that the majority of my virtual friends on this site are in…. Being that it seems like there’s way more of you guys here than Americans.
Secondly, my Euro Account as evolved into my main FIA acct because of my work schedule. I get off work in the morning, and the wife comes home on the evening. The majority of the doable time slots are the European ones…. That happen to be morning/early afternoon for me.
As far as me being a dirty driver…. In the furthest thing from it. But it’s becoming increasingly frustrating lately. FIA used to be the one last place you could get clean racing. Not anymore it seems
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This is a common problem, and always where, even before the suspension of the penalty system.Have to give my opinion here! To be clear rightaway, i do not feel offended by your above comment or anything. really not! But do hope that you will continue to drive fair while making your progress and not drop to the same level of those who think ramming is racing. Something of a downward spiral is already happening in the game!!!
I am riding B lobbies, say at app 60% in B level and i do encounter a lot of drivers that are, just like me, trying (and often succeeding) in driving honest and fair. I am not the fastest, but still slowly making progress and trying to get better.
Off course, with the penalty system off more and more drivers are "bending" the rules but still the majority of races i do in B are good and fair, without to much nasty incidents. And I never qualify "safe" up front; I am usually starting midfield.
You do get into a "poisenois" lobby once in a while, and will regret getting in it! But i am sure that this happens in every level
To be honest; do you know what dirty drivers i encour most in B lobbies lately? After being punted off three races in a row by someone who went on winning the races (2x) or getting a podium (1x) i started checking the DR/SR of the offenders. This as I noticed they were so much faster then me on track.
And guess what?; all were drivers that were at one or more time way above average B level!!! And all these guys had the attitude to not wait for an oppertunity to pass, they simply barge through or punt a lower level rider that has the oddesity to drive in front of them.
They got into lower levels anyway by being nasty and getting a reset and for some reason the game thinks that it is a good punishment to throw those idiots into unsuspecting B riders and all they have to is be faster and punt them off and get a win.
(With the penalty system switched off you will have to put a lot of effort into getting resetted anyway, i think?)
the biggest problem of this game is not the specific level a driver is in, it is that this game not only allows cheaters, it actually rewards them!!!
see the chart below; this is one of the drivers that punted several off track to win the race I was in recently. How come a game is allowing a driver like this to continue with his shenanigans, ruin other peoples races and even getting the victory?
quick disclaimer here just to be sure: I know many, many fair A level drivers (like Pirovacboy and xxPinkykissxx) that, even though they are much faster then the lower level drivers, always drive clean and honest and wait for an opprtunity to pass and not ram others.
And for that I thank all of them!!!
just my two cents or as we say in the Netherlands; mand!!!
I think it's designed like this because PD just couldn't imagine that anyone would be of so low honour.
I have also had contact with one of the really proficient in the game of reset. Last time they tried 4 or 5 times to run me off, but only succeed in getting a spot in the IOTW video.
After the race they send me a photo, to brag about the win number. To me it just spell dirty but they where apparently very proud.
Here's the message:
And here is their SR and DR chart...
8000 races.... I would be ashamed of that chart. They aren't..
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- mcl-1974-2
I immideately recognised that name! that SOB i encountered a few times in a lobby race to practice for FIA. it wasnt a very pleasant experience to say the least! I know it is just a game but if i ever met this person in real live...
When i was new at GT Planet I asked the question here after seeing someone in a lower level then me scoring more then 300 wins in 600 races. Think it was Famine or perhaps Pigems who then explained how to get re-setted for easy wins.
On my two accounts i have the grand total of 4 wins. 4! i repeat: 4!
To be honest, for a brief moment i did concider to get that reset and get more of those wins.
I didn't as i actually found out i have a consience and like to be able to look at myself in the mirror. I prefer never to win again rather then win in that way. My pleasure is in getting points with a good driving standard and still improving myself as a driver. Had so many awesome duel with other drivers, and do not care to win or loose those, it is just the experience that i cherish
to show you for comparison, below my SR/DR: Think it shows that i race fair. Off course i make mistakes and have hit others but my losses in DR/SR were mainly due to disconnections, a few rage quits
and that ugly period that every little contact got a penalty, especially when you were the one on the receiving end.Now my point is: If my DR/SR is visible and the dirty drivers DR/SR is visible then that surely means that PD can program a game such that the fair racers are rewarded and the dirty drivers get punished? the parameters are there!
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- Zorzil
I've just done some checks and I see what you mean. I've only ever done Gr.3 ovals before and all of the cars I've checked in time trial have the same oval BOP (791BHP, 1300kg, same gear ratios). Based on that I'd assumed Gr.4 would be the same but now I see they wildly differ. I wasn't expecting that at all!
I'm getting the impression that Hyundai is on the bad side of the BOP too, so yay!
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- equus_ferrum
Wow I was under the impression that the Gr.3 oval BoP had different hp and weight for each car, given how some cars are still different in how they handle the course (Viper and Evo Gr.3 are slightly better down the straights for instance). Like I said, I never really paid attention to the actual stats since they're not changeable anyway. If they're identical for all the Gr.3 cars, I don't know why PD couldn't do the same thing for Gr.4. Well, I guess the cars in Gr.4 are way too varied compared to Gr.3 for that to work.I've just done some checks and I see what you mean. I've only ever done Gr.3 ovals before and all of the cars I've checked in time trial have the same oval BOP (791BHP, 1300kg, same gear ratios). Based on that I'd assumed Gr.4 would be the same but now I see they wildly differ. I wasn't expecting that at all!
I'm getting the impression that Hyundai is on the bad side of the BOP too, so yay!
Considering the Mustang is in NASCAR yeah I'd say little surprising. Wasted all that time livery shopping yesterday too, lol... it's really bad on BMB like the worst I've ever seen the Mustang and it's usually crap everywhere.
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- MidNight_VSpec
Slot 1: Qualified 12th, and nearly had my race ruined at T2 when a Mercedes in front of me ran off track on cold tires, rejoined in front of me (not that he could do much to avoid that at that part of the track), then went off at the next corner on cold AND dirty tires and clipped the rear of my car, nearly spinning me. Ultimately I got back up to 12th when @F1Bernardo ran out of fuel at the finish and I was just able to take 11th.
Slot 2: Qualified a surprising 7th, and jumped up to 5th after the 2 directly in front of me got a terrible start. I made a stupid error at the beginning of Lap 2 and that dumped me back down to 7th. After pitting I rejoined in 9th due to burning way more fuel than I was intending, but I still had a chance to snatch 7th or better, when this happened:
I managed to recover 4 spots on the back straight alone, including the Jag that started that whole mess after they slowed down, I guess because they felt guilty about it. I finished 11th and knew I could do WAY better.
Slot 3: I could only manage 9th in qualifying this time, but felt I could make up at least 2 spots to get the minimum amount of points I was aiming for. I had a good first 2 laps in spite of a lot of pressure from an Evo, then pitted and re-emerged in 10th, and promptly spun myself on the outside curb of T1 🤬. I'd taken that corner exactly the same way dozens of previous times, but for some reason the car's rear end didn't want to grip now...I forgot how many positions I lost...maybe 5. I decided against quitting right there just in case I could take advantage of other mistakes (even though it would require an improbably large amount of people to make mistakes for me to salvage a good result). When it was clear this race was a total waste, I decided to park off to the side and let the game DQ me, then decided to finish so I could at least see the replay and figure out how/why I spun. Finished P16.
Slot 4: Qualified 4th, which promptly became 3rd since the car directly in front of me was a Peugeot 🤣 . The Peugeot tried to defend the inside into T1, but was too slow to get there and I squeezed through. They wanted to fight extremely hard though, and we swapped sides for the first 3 corners until I finally cleared him. I held 3rd for the remaining 99% of the race until an Alfa caught my slipstream going down the long straight on the final lap, then was able to use its better braking and cornering to take the spot, so I finished where I started in 4th for 263 points (my 2nd-best Manufacturer's points tally ever) and was FINALLY able to call it a night. I was a bit frustrated to have 3rd taken away so late in the race, but I finally had a race where I wasn't screwed over by others or by my own stupid mistakes. This was also the first time I'd even scored over 200 points at the Nordschleife...
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I once got 4 SR downs during qualifying for an FIA race. Some guy was being a dick on the out lap, and it was late in the day, so I was liquored up, and I pretty much had a fistfight with him on the track. 
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About a year ago I raced against a guy in a daily race at Willow Springs with over 2000 sport mode wins as per the @jasguer site that was up. He wasn't bad, he was on me the whole race. I was eight tenths up going into the last corner, so all I had to do was keep it on the road and victory would be guaranteed.
Anyway, we both get through the final corner, and he quits from second place about 300m from the finish line.
So basically he would win or quit if the win wasn't going to happen. So he'd always be getting reset to a DR and SR level with opposition he could beat.
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- Z4E_Midnight85
Anyone tried the Viper at BMB yet? I'm interested to know if it gets punished on BOP - never run it on an oval before.
That said, unless the driver tactics in low-mid B tank improve, I'm very unlikely to join in on this one. With the amount of ramming and punting at Nurburgring, I can see this one being FULL of pit maneuvers...
That said, unless the driver tactics in low-mid B tank improve, I'm very unlikely to join in on this one. With the amount of ramming and punting at Nurburgring, I can see this one being FULL of pit maneuvers...
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