2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

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FIA Gran Turismo Championship
2021 Nations Cup - Season 2 - Round 8
Catalunya GP // Gr.2


I almost passed on this one. An hour before the first slot, I hadn't even practiced once, or investigated the tuning options. And Gr2 cars are nothing to be half-in on... full attention is required.

But I've had good results in the aero cars at this track before, and decided the odds of improving my FIA score were pretty decent. So grabbed a friend's tune and jumped in the Nissan (2016 model) that I'm most comfortable in.

I knew it would be an especially good challenge as I was assigned #20 in lobby where the top half were all A+ drivers... pretty big disparity in rankings, actually, since my own DR was only about 42k going in.

Qualified 13th, which wasn't too bad at all. Was torn on strategy, as was hearing there were more and more no-stoppers doing well in higher rankings, but decided on the straight S/S one-stop, with the potential to undercut or overcut, depending on the situation.

Moved up to the top-10, cleanly, in the first stint, though it wasn't easy. These cars are so hard to race in close-quarters! Pitted right at midway, as a few tried to undercut a lap earlier, but that left me with clean air and my lap time immediately dropped as I could run the fast line without defending.

Came back out in 12th, and after a crises with my Logitech G29, engaged in a nice clean battle with a couple of guys (*it froze in the full left lock position during the pit stop while on auto-drive, and never re-centered! I went straight into the outside wall after the pit stop! Luckily, I was able to recover and not lose much track position, but looking back, it may have cost me more...).

I eventually got past one after he served a track limits penalty, then parlayed that into position to attack the other guy on the last lap. Got him in turn 3, having seen that I had better grip through the middle of it the lap before, and then hit my marks to perfection on the exit of each of the remaining corners. It's so hard to defend here, as any small mistake leaves you vulnerable to the draft.

So rolled over the line happy with a solid "top-10" in a tough lobby, without much practice, in a really challenging race (and one of the few Clean Race Bonuses in my lobby). Padded my FIA points nicely and now can relax for the last two rounds, if I drive them. I am looking forward to the Minis at Brands Hatch!

Looking at the results, gaining 3 spots is about all anyone could do in the top part of the grid, so I am more than happy with that. I think that I may have had a chance at one more, if that wheel bug didn't mess up my pit exit, but that's just speculation. And: big thanks to @Adam Barber for the awesome tune!

So the podium 'streak' is over, but: Really glad I gave it a go today (but I'm tired!... that's a long race and you need to be 'on' every turn!)

#20 / Q13 / R10 / 150 FIA points / ~300 DR / more fun (and a new all-time high DR on this mostly-only-FIA race account...)

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Grid starts are always fun! Got off the line slowly here for some reason, but made up spots in the first sector while others battled too hard with each other.

 
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Not having the chance to do any practice beforehand, just jumped in with a few laps practice before the third slot, for my first ever tuning FIA race. I've seen the 16 GT-R appeared to be the META car in all regions, but since I didn't have time, I decided to go with @Mistah_MCA's tune for the 08 GT-R (thanks for the tune!). Just made a couple of quick changes to suit my driving better (no experience with tuning in GTS, did what I would have done in ACC or other sim, and at least, it had the desired effect on the car). Managed to get into the 33s which was decent considering the lack of testing.

CSA Slot 3, in top split, obviously not a high rated one but still with some very quick drivers. Finished P9 after being pushed wide a few times, lost too much time in traffic as well. Knew with the extra practice, I could do better so decided to go again.

CSA Slot 4, door #5 in a lower-rated, 252-point top split lobby. Had to abort the first qualy lap after a guy ahead went off and unghosted right in front of me, ruining my lap. Second lap, was purple in S1, then made a complete mess of the final chicane... Qualified P12, would have been top 4 without the mistake. :banghead:

Great start thanks to the 08 GT-R, inmediately up to P9 off the line. I was careful in the first chicane and the guys ahead ran into each other. I backed out and kept it tight to the apex into T3, as the guys ahead all pushed themselves wide and left me free track on the inside. Reached the braking point into T4 in P5. Incredible start.

From there, I tried to stay in the slipstream of the guys ahead and dropped the guys behind from mine. All was fine until the Uruguayan in P3 made a mistake, I passed him and then he went back for a (clean) move, causing us to lose the slip to the top 3. A few laps later, that Uruguayan had a connection issue I think, as his car suddenly stopped right before the chicane. I instinctively took avoiding action, he then warped forwards and then disappeared (disconnected). Luckily, I didn't go off the track, but that sequence cost me a couple of seconds and gifted the slipstream back to the Brazilian behind.

Pitted at half distance, did two 9-lap stints on softs. Brazilian followed behind me and he overtook me into T1 the following lap. He clearly was running less downforce, passed me easily on the straight. When I was then following, I was faster in the corners, specially sector 1 and easily kept in the slipstream, but in the straight, I couldn't pull out of his slip to pass. Decided to continue putting pressure in the slip, while we comfortably gapped everyone behind. In the penultimate lap, he picked up a 0.5s penalty, which seemed like it would be my chance to get that P4. Unfortunately, I made a minor mistake and was just a little bit too far to complete the move after the penalty zone.

Finished P5, right behind the Brazilian. I know the 16 GT-R with a good setup would have probably been quicker. But considering it was my first FIA tuning race and I jumped into the 08 GT-R with just a few laps practice, I'm pretty pleased with P5 and 210 points. :cheers:

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FIA Gran Turismo Championship
2021 Nations Cup - Season 2 - Round 8
Catalunya GP // Gr.2


Before I get started, I want to thank @KosmoKazi for his headers. They are the best!

Slot 1 and I am Door number 19 in the top split. Due to lack of participation I'm not really getting to race my peers which kinda stinks because its really good racing when the lap pace is very similar. Here, its a wide margin and throw in tuning and it can be all over the place. Just not as fun, in my opinion. Great practice against those quick folks while it lasts, though.

Even so, I qualified well and was excited to race hard, clean, and with less nerves. I have gone through intensive sports mental preparation thanks to the experts on Youtube. LOL. Lap 1, I had a great lap, picked up like 4 spots and was on pace for a top 10. But, those less fortunate and way faster were on my bumper in short time. As I they trickled by a few incidents sparked a downward spiral and i ended up in p20 on lap 7. But, like I said, my mind game was on point today so I put the pedal to the metal and managed to work my way back up to p13. 174 Points.

Actually had some really fun and CLEAN racing near the back. So, I was happy to walk away after slot 1 and start on the video.

 
FIA Gran Turismo Championship
2021 Nations Cup - Season 2 - Round 8
Catalunya GP // Gr.2


Before I get started, I want to thank @KosmoKazi for his headers. They are the best!

Slot 1 and I am Door number 19 in the top split. Due to lack of participation I'm not really getting to race my peers which kinda stinks because its really good racing when the lap pace is very similar. Here, its a wide margin and throw in tuning and it can be all over the place. Just not as fun, in my opinion. Great practice against those quick folks while it lasts, though.

Even so, I qualified well and was excited to race hard, clean, and with less nerves. I have gone through intensive sports mental preparation thanks to the experts on Youtube. LOL. Lap 1, I had a great lap, picked up like 4 spots and was on pace for a top 10. But, those less fortunate and way faster were on my bumper in short time. As I they trickled by a few incidents sparked a downward spiral and i ended up in p20 on lap 7. But, like I said, my mind game was on point today so I put the pedal to the metal and managed to work my way back up to p13. 174 Points.

Actually had some really fun and CLEAN racing near the back. So, I was happy to walk away after slot 1 and start on the video.


Now you know my pain as someone who's constantly barely making it into Top Split. 🤣 😭 I always end up using the first 2 slots as practice since I don't have a hope of finishing well.
 
Dredge’s Alt Adventures: Chapter 12

Slot 4 in NA for one of Canada’s finest. Door 18 at 20368/99. In with a GTPlaneteer (@RACECAR ) for the first time.

Hopped in the 08 Nissan and proceeded to make a lot of small mistakes in qualifying. Ultimately ran a 35.2 which was a full second off my best FP lap. Nonetheless, still good enough for pole.

The Nissan was a rocket off the line and I had a safe distance to P2 entering T1. Then watched the radar as P2 and P3 came together. By T4 the battling behind had gifted me a 2 second lead. This grew progressively but I suspected one of the chasing pack was running a no stop on mediums so a 15 second lead was seeming like a touch and go situation. I pitted on lap 10 to find that the no stopper was in fact a one stopper as well. Back out in p1 with a 15 second lead.

Second stint was smooth and uneventful and brought it home 30 seconds ahead. 109 points in the bag.

Racecar seemed to drive a good race after a rough start and brought home the final podium position.

Dr Gline is now 21829/99.
 
That's kinda the problem that has only been confirmed with testing: I can't make that work. Doing that strategy, it still means the fuel isn't in the ideal spot for my driving to really get the most out of the car and in turn, I just get slower. The strategy I have employed multiple times always gives me the softest compound on the lowest amount of fuel towards the end and therefore over the race, I get faster and faster. So sure mandatory tires aren't a thing this week, but the Medium-to-soft strategy simply always worked the best for me even before mandatory tires became a thing.
Mandatory tires where always a thing. And when it is I do like you and run the hardest compound first.
Yesterday I ran soft-soft though. Still got faster as the fuel went, but was definitely faster from the start than I would have been on mediums.

My guess is that PD envisioned a soft-soft one stop or a medium no stop. They never suspected that there was people who could no-stop the softs and be competitive.
 
Mandatory tires where always a thing. And when it is I do like you and run the hardest compound first.
Yesterday I ran soft-soft though. Still got faster as the fuel went, but was definitely faster from the start than I would have been on mediums.
They have been alot recently but when PD did the GR.2 combo alot in the dailies at Autopolis years ago, they weren't anywhere near as common. Even without the pressure to take both as mandatory, I had worked out very early on that I simply am better starting the race on Harder compounds, pitting at that magic lap and then finishing the race on the softest ones. I for the life of me cannot get speed out of the softer compounds at the start of a race so I just resort to outlasting people on the harder ones and watch them burn off their tires and I pick off positions. Granted this was also during the time when PD was for some reason obsessed with the ultra-aggressive tire multiplier.

Dredge’s Alt Adventures: Chapter 12

Slot 4 in NA for one of Canada’s finest. Door 18 at 20368/99. In with a GTPlaneteer (@RACECAR ) for the first time.

Hopped in the 08 Nissan and proceeded to make a lot of small mistakes in qualifying. Ultimately ran a 35.2 which was a full second off my best FP lap. Nonetheless, still good enough for pole.

The Nissan was a rocket off the line and I had a safe distance to P2 entering T1. Then watched the radar as P2 and P3 came together. By T4 the battling behind had gifted me a 2 second lead. This grew progressively but I suspected one of the chasing pack was running a no stop on mediums so a 15 second lead was seeming like a touch and go situation. I pitted on lap 10 to find that the no stopper was in fact a one stopper as well. Back out in p1 with a 15 second lead.

Second stint was smooth and uneventful and brought it home 30 seconds ahead. 109 points in the bag.

Racecar seemed to drive a good race after a rough start and brought home the final podium position.

Dr Gline is now 21829/99.

Oh hey, that was you. Good job one the win 👍

Yeah I was one that unfortunately ran into 2nd place, last week's turn 1 lap 1 was still fresh on my mind so there was abit of paranoia and ironically I ended up being the one causing that sort of incident. Then I got repeatidly dogpiled into, which only compounded the time loss.
 
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They have been alot recently but when PD did the GR.2 combo alot in the dailies at Autopolis years ago, they weren't anywhere near as common. Even without the pressure to take both as mandatory, I had worked out very early on that I simply am better starting the race on Harder compounds, pitting at that magic lap and then finishing the race on the softest ones. I for the life of me cannot get speed out of the softer compounds at the start of a race so I just resort to outlasting people on the harder ones and watch them burn off their tires and I pick off positions. Granted this was also during the time when PD was for some reason obsessed with the ultra-aggressive tire multiplier.



Oh hey, that was you. Good job one the win 👍

Yeah I was one that unfortunately ran into 2nd place, last week's turn 1 lap 1 was still fresh on my mind so there was abit of paranoia and ironically I ended up being the one causing that sort of incident. Then I got repeatidly dogpiled into, when only compounded the time loss.
Yeah, just saw the replay you posted. It looked like the guy in P2 might have been ultra conservative at T1? I was half expecting him to dive under me and so was surprised when I saw you come together on the radar.

Given the trouble you had after that, you did a great job working your way through the field. I was surprised to see you had started on the mediums. I’d highly recommend working on your early pace on softs. I reckon you would have comfortably finished second if you managed 2 soft stints.

I feel a bit bad about dominating some of these races as I work my Alt up through the DR range, but I do get to see some entertaining replays afterwards.
 
Now you know my pain as someone who's constantly barely making it into Top Split. 🤣 😭 I always end up using the first 2 slots as practice since I don't have a hope of finishing well.
I like to go one and done if at all possible. 1) it's great practice for dealing with pressure for autocross 2) video usually takes 2-3 hours and I'm old so my bed time is early, lol 😁

So, I need to tank my DR, but then my pride gets in the way. Just no to end my suffering. 🤣😫
 
Good luck to those racing tomorrow at Miyabi. I'm not entering. Really don't like the track and really can't be bothered with the hassle of another tuning race! :lol: So my season is likely finished as its unlikely i'll get time for the last race Xmas day. (6pm slot probably only viable option if i do!).

Its a Hard tire no stop sprint race at Sardegna for those that will race it!

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Good luck to those racing tomorrow at Miyabi. I'm not entering. Really don't like the track and really can't be bothered with the hassle of another tuning race! :lol: So my season is likely finished as its unlikely i'll get time for the last race Xmas day. (6pm slot probably only viable option if i do!).

Its a Hard tire no stop sprint race at Sardegna for those that will race it!

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Pretty much the same for me.
With Football and the work's do tomorrow I won't be able to squeeze myself in, and what on Earth where they thinking by actually not taking a week off and putting the race on the 1st?
 
Good luck to those racing tomorrow at Miyabi. I'm not entering. Really don't like the track and really can't be bothered with the hassle of another tuning race! :lol: So my season is likely finished as its unlikely i'll get time for the last race Xmas day. (6pm slot probably only viable option if i do!).

Its a Hard tire no stop sprint race at Sardegna for those that will race it!

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Same deal here. Not a fan of any competitive racing at Miyabi. My last FIA race of the year is gonna be Nations Cup at Fuji on the 22nd.
 
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I think the whole tuning and GTS would be better if they made it more accessible for the more ‘casual’ crowd that this game caters to. The hardcore sim guys are playing other titles anyways. Either simplify it for the masses some how…. And/or even easier….. offer 3 separate tunes (standard, aggressive, conservative) similar to how ACC does


Or they could have in-game video tutorials similar to the license tests and “sportsmanship” video. Something where they could break down what each component does and basics for changing turn-in, turn exits, blah blah blah.

Fwiw, I give massive props to those who put in the time and make tuning garages that are easily accessible for us. They have taken cars that were almost undriveable, and made them work!

This either shows how in depth Gran Turismo’s relatively unused tuning menus are…. Or how FAR OFF they’re default tunes are
 
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I think the whole tuning and GTS would be better if they made it more accessible for the more ‘casual’ crowd that this game caters to. The hardcore sim guys are playing other titles anyways. Either simplify it for the masses some how…. And/or even easier….. offer 3 separate tunes (standard, aggressive, conservative) similar to how ACC does


Or they could have in-game video tutorials similar to the license tests and “sportsmanship” video. Something where they could break down what each component does and basics for changing turn-in, turn exits, blah blah blah.

Fwiw, I give massive props to those who put in the time and make tuning garages that are easily accessible for us. They have taken cars that were almost undriveable, and made them work!

This either shows how in depth Gran Turismo’s relatively unused tuning menus are…. Or how FAR OFF they’re default tunes are
Both I believe. All the Gr3 cars has the same setup, no matter if the are FR or MR. Silly.

Edit: to make it even worse they have the same, stiff setup for rain racing.
 
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Both I believe. All the Gr3 cars has the same setup, no matter if the are FR or MR. Silly.
Some are worse than others tho. I like MR’s… so I’m usually always messing with those. But the Mcleran 650 isn’t bad. Neither is the 911. Or the RCZ. Or the R8. But the 458 is horrendous compared to those. It’s either different Devo’s worked on different cars. Or some cars got more effort than others. Or both are true
 
Some are worse than others tho. I like MR’s… so I’m usually always messing with those. But the Mcleran 650 isn’t bad. Neither is the 911. Or the RCZ. Or the R8. But the 458 is horrendous compared to those. It’s either different Devo’s worked on different cars. Or some cars got more effort than others. Or both are true
They all got the same effort. Because they all have the exact same setup. That's the problem, because they are different cars. Very low effort from PD..
 
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Maybe I haven't looked too close at them but I don't feel like they're on the same default setup with how different they react, at least in my hands. The Mclaren 650s for instance is very neutral, its not there near anybody really with power but it also doesn't want to violently end me when I so much as want to look into the next corner. The Aston Martin V12 Vantage is really front end heavy so yeah its got the power but good luck persuading it to go left. And the Ferrari 458...well I lived, mostly to tell you kids that crazy horse doesn't want to be friends with anyone :lol: Likewise, stay away from the Bull. Peace is not an option.
 
I literally have over 40 in game hours trying to figure out the gr.3 458. 3 days ago I threw a couple different tunes in it from the various garages in here (because I’m writing a review fir the COTW thread), and a solitary tear rolled down my cheek after my first lap. The Ferrari went from almost undriveable to a car that wants to be pushed.

It’s dumbfounding how wrong PD did that car. Especially when the gr.4 458 is soooooooo good
 
Well, did not have the time i wanted to look for a proper set-up for the gr. 4 Jaguar for Saturday's race, current life affairs taking to much time and effort at the moment. I found perhaps 2 tenths due to tuning, averiging about a 39.5 / 39.6 laptimes in free practice, which I think is not good enough for higher B lobbies.
Also tried Mistah's set-up which worked fine for the first 2 sectors, but i lose so much in the final sector due to the instability that it was not usefull for me. Just can not find a proper set-up so not sure if i will enter tomorrow's race.
 
Well, did not have the time i wanted to look for a proper set-up for the gr. 4 Jaguar for Saturday's race, current life affairs taking to much time and effort at the moment. I found perhaps 2 tenths due to tuning, averiging about a 39.5 / 39.6 laptimes in free practice, which I think is not good enough for higher B lobbies.
Also tried Mistah's set-up which worked fine for the first 2 sectors, but i lose so much in the final sector due to the instability that it was not usefull for me. Just can not find a proper set-up so not sure if i will enter tomorrow's race.
I'd say don't bother if you can't. Just not worth it with tuning races if you don't find a tune that works for you. Its why I didn't bother with the Manufacturers race at Willow Springs, decent track but not enough time to get a good setup for me to work with comfortably.
 
I'd say don't bother if you can't. Just not worth it with tuning races if you don't find a tune that works for you. Its why I didn't bother with the Manufacturers race at Willow Springs, decent track but not enough time to get a good setup for me to work with comfortably.
Yea but you can always just run default and probably do well as long you run a smart race
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In the end decided not to go. Did not have any time yet today to try to get the right set-up and fear this race will be a frustating wreckfest with all these different set-ups, begging for a rage quit. Will try for the last round, for this one i do not have the right car, the right set-up or the right mind set. Rooting for Seth Logan though; if his racepace is as good as his best free practice time I think he can well again today. So hope to see later today he has got another high score! (even though i have the rather ambitous goal of finishing ahead of him and OJbrit in the final standings)

I am going to get some much needed rest, good luck to all driving today!
 
Cayman tune if anyone's interested. I'm not the best tuner but hope it helps somewhat. Used prairano's tune as base but ended up changing a lot of things I might've well just started from scratch :lol: Can run low 39s on full tank/fresh tyres. I pitted on lap 1, no tyres and climbed from 12th to 7th. Was running 4th at one point but couldn't keep the cars who got fresher tyres behind.

RH 50 85
SR 3.30 3.30
ARB 10 10
DC 51 60
DR 90 81
CA 1.0 2.5
TA -0.15 0.00
DF 250 450
LSD 5/10/35

Max speed 300 km/h
2.457
1.850
1.505
1.255
1.038
0.881
Final 5.000

If you need less oversteer, you can reduce the rear ride height, add rear camber or increase rear DF.
I think the whole tuning and GTS would be better if they made it more accessible for the more ‘casual’ crowd that this game caters to. The hardcore sim guys are playing other titles anyways. Either simplify it for the masses some how…. And/or even easier….. offer 3 separate tunes (standard, aggressive, conservative) similar to how ACC does


Or they could have in-game video tutorials similar to the license tests and “sportsmanship” video. Something where they could break down what each component does and basics for changing turn-in, turn exits, blah blah blah.

Fwiw, I give massive props to those who put in the time and make tuning garages that are easily accessible for us. They have taken cars that were almost undriveable, and made them work!

This either shows how in depth Gran Turismo’s relatively unused tuning menus are…. Or how FAR OFF they’re default tunes are
There is already a short explanation on what each settings does on the right side of the tuning screen. And if that's not enough, there's plenty of info on the internet teaching what does what. I literally learnt tuning in GT1 from reading Gamefaqs when I was 13, and the same basic principles have applied to any game since. Learning tuning isn't difficult. The hard part is the time commitment and differentiating whether the change in handling is real or placebo. Add to that if you're not a consistent driver, any laptime changes can be confounded by your driving mistakes/improvement instead of from the tuning change.

Tuning in GT is doubly annoying because sometimes the settings change don't give the results that you expect in real life (e.g. max front/min rear ride height giving less understeer in road cars when IRL it's opposite). Also some settings have unrealistically wide range of adjustments (e.g. gear ratios adjustable by 0.001 when in real life it's discrete values, and downforce adjustable in hundreds of increments when IRL you have maybe 5-10 wing levels max).

Then there's the lack of assessment tools like telemetry/Motec. We don't even have tyre temp/pressure which is critical for camber tuning! G-force meter in previous games was also removed. But hey, I guess we have 2 rev counters in the HUD to replace it :lol:

So yeah, I don't blame it when people can't be bothered tuning in GT. It's more dark art and trial/error than actual science. Having a half decent default setup would make things a lot easier, and also several presets like ACC. But knowing PD that's just wayyy too much work for them. Not to mention they would have to adjust it for every car whenever there are physics changes. Not a realistic expectation sadly.
 
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Just finished slot 3 in Asia. Got murdered in turn 1 on lap 1. A scirocco who had got the entry wrong decided he didn’t want to be passed and just speared two of us into the outside barrier. Literally turned left into my rear panel. Dropped me 15 seconds to second last with the Huracan who got caught in the same murder DFL.

Utter, utter rubbish. I had good pace and would have been mixing it in the top 10 in a strong lobby. Just gutted. Will go again slot 4, but it really sucks the joy out of racing.
 
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I ran slot 1 with the GT-R. Started from 8th, jumped into 4th off the line (gotta love AWD) and then moved into 3rd by lap end as a Hyundai spun coming out of the chicane.

Ran as high as 2nd before my stop on lap 15, opted not to change tyres, and was able to undercut the Megane for the lead.

However they and the WRX running in 3rd had fresh tyres (guessing they changed) and they ran me down.

Still a 3rd place is decent for a heavy car on tyres given my strategy tonight so no complaints from me.
 
Slot 4 door 1. Qualifying went ok and Q4, but surrounded by AWD cars (Atenza, GTRs and a WRX). So got swallowed up at the start and then 3 laps of shoving had me down to p12 by the end of lap 3, 6 seconds off the lead.

Once the traffic thinned I could start to run the racing line and steadily worked my way back through the field. Up to p7 by lap 9 and then as the leaders pitted over the next 6 laps an NSX and I found ourselves in p1 and 2. I ran until lap 25 when I was right behind the NSX and pitted to avoid being held up. I rejoined in p4. A few laps in formation and it was clear that I had better speed than P2 and p3. Lap 29 and p1 pitted and rejoined less than a second in front. Through turn - I made my move and got through between P2 and p3 and approached the final hairpin less than 0.4s behind p1. He took a defensive line and compromised his exit. As we exited the chicane I had a good run on him but the line came too soon. P2 by 0.264 seconds.

207 points will count for me and are very satisfying since I knew I had the pace to do well here.
 
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