2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

[RacingGrandpa]

Yeah, same for me. I've really enjoyed the tuning races this season. They should do them all the time for the FIA races and have the Fixed settings races for Dailies and the World Tour.

While I enjoyed the occasional tuning race in the past I will predict that changing FIA to tuning everytime will kill FIA racing, and in extension, the game.
The best thing about GT is it's accessability, where you can just pick up and go. And everyone loves a level playing field.

 

[LVS_1986]

While I enjoyed the occasional tuning race in the past I will predict that changing FIA to tuning everytime will kill FIA racing, and in extension, the game.
The best thing about GT is it's accessability, where you can just pick up and go. And everyone loves a livel playing field.

I agree with this, tuning in every round isnt good idea, but lets say 2 round out of 10? Maybe 3? We all know how cars are unbalanced, especially in Manu series, so 2 or 3 rounds with tuning can make chances for people who are using weaker cars like Mitsubishi

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I agree with this, tuning in every round isnt good idea, but lets say 2 round out of 10? Maybe 3? We all know how cars are unbalanced, especially in Manu series, so 2 or 3 rounds with tuning can make chances for people who are using weaker cars like Mitsubishi

2 out of 10 I feel could be a good compromise. The people who doesn't like tuning won't have to as they won't count all races for points

 

[Yard_Sale]

Here's one of my good ideas that will go nowhere!!

A Manu season is like....10 rounds....right?

Say that 4 of them will be tuning (2-gr.4, 2-gr.3)

You are allowed a total of (1) tune per car, per season. Soooooo......if you have a good tune for the first gr.4 race, you can use it. But that'll automatically be your tune for the next gr.4 tuning race. Same for group 3.

This would cut the time on the amount of tuning needed. And either make guys do an "all around tune", or have a really good tune one round, and a chit tune another. Or conversely, they could run standard Bop for the first tuning round and save their good tune for the next round

Personally, I like the tuning rounds..... although I didn't do any this year.

Because of my work schedule, I will be lucky to make half the rounds of any season. But I still do the whole season per say. I'll just run custom races with the multipliers if I can't find practice lobbies leading up to the real race. Especially for the tuning races!!

 

[GTWolverine]

Here's one of my good ideas that will go nowhere!!

A Manu season is like....10 rounds....right?

Say that 4 of them will be tuning (2-gr.4, 2-gr.3)

You are allowed a total of (1) tune per car, per season. Soooooo......if you have a good tune for the first gr.4 race, you can use it. But that'll automatically be your tune for the next gr.4 tuning race. Same for group 3.

This would cut the time on the amount of tuning needed. And either make guys do an "all around tune", or have a really good tune one round, and a chit tune another. Or conversely, they could run standard Bop for the first tuning round and save their good tune for the next round

Personally, I like the tuning rounds..... although I didn't do any this year.

Because of my work schedule, I will be lucky to make half the rounds of any season. But I still do the whole season per say. I'll just run custom races with the multipliers if I can't find practice lobbies leading up to the real race. Especially for the tuning races!!

Being stuck with only 1 tune would defeat the entire purpose of tuning though. If you can't fiddle with the settings to suit each track then there's no point. Being stuck with downforce and gearbox settings for Miyabi if Monza was also on the schedule as a tuning race would be extremely frustrating.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Being stuck with only 1 tune would defeat the entire purpose of tuning though. If you can't fiddle with the settings to suit each track then there's no point. Being stuck with downforce and gearbox settings for Miyabi if Monza was also on the schedule as a tuning race would be extremely frustrating.

True and agreed. But it seems like the Vast Majority of people don't like tuning rounds..... be it the time commitment needed, they don't understand it, whatever. This would at least give people who don't want to deal with tuning a fighting chance if they run a standard Bop or a run-of-the-mill interwebz tune. But most importantly (in my eyes at least), it'll get more people to "buy into" the tuning rounds....and tuning as a whole really. BABY STEPS

 

[Hasnain282]

What would be nice is if you could copy tunes off the leaderboards like you can on the F1 games

 

[Yard_Sale]

I still hold to what I said earlier, that in Yard-Sale’s perfect universe, GT would go the way ACC does and offer 3 different tunes for every car.

Some rounds you could only use the provided tunes. Some rounds you could open the menus up and do your own thang

 

[Geauxgreddy]

If Gran Turismo wants tuning races, they need to kill the glitches. My best rounds were from tuning races because I exploited stupid things like flipped gearboxes, extreme rake, 1 degree of toe in, ass backwards camber, and shock settings that made no sense. If MCA had my tune he wouldve been top 3. How he made due with the tune he had I have no idea. Alien.

I race autocross in real life. If I set up my car like I did for Willow it would absolutely suck. Same for Miyabi. Yet I qualify right behind a world finalist because I am, if nothing else, obsessive. I didnt belong anywhere near him. Which is why I hate tuning. It's like an addiction, cant stop once I start. Then I hate the game because I keep picking at my tune and dont work on racing and friendships and having FUN. It's why I race street class in Autocross. I hand built my Jeep suspension, it's amazing, but it consumed a year of my life.

So, if GTS wants to include tuning they need clean up the ridiculousness to where if you nail it, you may find half a second on a 1 minute 20 second course, not 3 seconds on a 1 minute course in the GT 2, 3 and 4 cars. Or, I can pay 2.99 for a setup (hire an engineer) and it guarantees a competitive race tune. 3 bucks is worth my sanity (you dont get to see the adjustments, it's just applied in the background and tuned for the track). Make it 0.99 cents, whatever.

In my very humble opinion.

 

[GTWolverine]

I personally don't mind tuning races THAT much (but I also have a very boring life with nothing going on outside of my job, so plenty of free time ), but my suggestion to simplify tuning would be to have the option of a slider that you could move from "oversteer" to "understeer" that would apply small adjustments to all suspension and diff settings (since changing downforce also affects speed). The adjustments would get more extreme the more you moved the slider in 1 direction. They kind of already do something similar with the transmission by allowing you to adjust all of the gears in the gearbox by just moving the Top Speed slider.

 

[Yard_Sale]

If Gran Turismo wants tuning races, they need to kill the glitches. My best rounds were from tuning races because I exploited stupid things like flipped gearboxes, extreme rake, 1 degree of toe in, ass backwards camber, and shock settings that made no sense. If MCA had my tune he wouldve been top 3. How he made due with the tune he had I have no idea. Alien.

I race autocross in real life. If I set up my car like I did for Willow it would absolutely suck. Same for Miyabi. Yet I qualify right behind a world finalist because I am, if nothing else, obsessive. I didnt belong anywhere near him. Which is why I hate tuning. It's like an addiction, cant stop once I start. Then I hate the game because I keep picking at my tune and dont work on racing and friendships and having FUN. It's why I race street class in Autocross. I hand built my Jeep suspension, it's amazing, but it consumed a year of my life.

So, if GTS wants to include tuning they need clean up the ridiculousness to where if you nail it, you may find half a second on a 1 minute 20 second course, not 3 seconds on a 1 minute course in the GT 2, 3 and 4 cars. Or, I can pay 2.99 for a setup (hire an engineer) and it guarantees a competitive race tune. 3 bucks is worth my sanity (you dont get to see the adjustments, it's just applied in the background and tuned for the track). Make it 0.99 cents, whatever.

In my very humble opinion.

Good post. Completely agree.

Thats why I think PD has included a few more tuning rounds as of late in FIA. I think they're paying attention to what the top-tier guys are doing. What adjustments are they making and do they make any sense at all. And perhaps they're looking to streamline their tuning menus to make them easier for the masses. Anyone's guess I suppose

 

[OJBrit]

What would be nice is if you could copy tunes off the leaderboards like you can on the F1 games

Meh, that's cheating.

 

[LVS_1986]

my suggestion to simplify tuning would be to have the option of a slider that you could move from "oversteer" to "understeer" that would apply small adjustments to all suspension and diff settings

Yeah thats best idea in this whole tuning discussion Imagine, make it even easier, slider that you could move from "slow" to "fast" Who needs all this numbers, cambers, LSDs etc etc

 

[KosmoKazi]

If Gran Turismo wants tuning races, they need to kill the glitches. My best rounds were from tuning races because I exploited stupid things like flipped gearboxes, extreme rake, 1 degree of toe in, ass backwards camber, and shock settings that made no sense. If MCA had my tune he wouldve been top 3. How he made due with the tune he had I have no idea. Alien.

I race autocross in real life. If I set up my car like I did for Willow it would absolutely suck. Same for Miyabi. Yet I qualify right behind a world finalist because I am, if nothing else, obsessive. I didnt belong anywhere near him. Which is why I hate tuning. It's like an addiction, cant stop once I start. Then I hate the game because I keep picking at my tune and dont work on racing and friendships and having FUN. It's why I race street class in Autocross. I hand built my Jeep suspension, it's amazing, but it consumed a year of my life.

So, if GTS wants to include tuning they need clean up the ridiculousness to where if you nail it, you may find half a second on a 1 minute 20 second course, not 3 seconds on a 1 minute course in the GT 2, 3 and 4 cars. Or, I can pay 2.99 for a setup (hire an engineer) and it guarantees a competitive race tune. 3 bucks is worth my sanity (you dont get to see the adjustments, it's just applied in the background and tuned for the track). Make it 0.99 cents, whatever.

In my very humble opinion.

Greddy proving he knows what he's talking about. Quality post, to go with your quality YT race summary videos... thanks for being part of this place, man, it's great to have you here.

FWIW, I don't love the tuning races... the accessibility of GT Sport is one thing that keeps it fun, I hardly have time to practice, and still compete (and improve little by little) well enough to make it satisfying. But add a few hours tuning and practicing to many more rounds, and well... I'm out. I'll invest in ACC or iRacing at that stage.

I also think that allowing some minor changes like downforce or roll bars might be a good compromise. Things you could do without a hoist in between sessions if it was a real track, for GT4/GT3 cars and up, at least. But full on damper and spring and ride height changes, and beyond, it's too much to be fun after a point.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Greddy proving he knows what he's talking about. Quality post, to go with your quality YT race summary videos... thanks for being part of this place, man, it's great to have you here.

FWIW, I don't love the tuning races... the accessibility of GT Sport is one thing that keeps it fun, I hardly have time to practice, and still compete (and improve little by little) well enough to make it satisfying. But add a few hours tuning and practicing to many more rounds, and well... I'm out. I'll invest in ACC or iRacing at that stage.

I also think that allowing some minor changes like downforce or roll bars might be a good compromise. Things you could do without a hoist in between sessions if it was a real track, for GT4/GT3 cars and up, at least. But full on damper and spring and ride height changes, and beyond, it's too much to be fun after a point.

I think you’ve hit the sweet spot as far as tuning. Maybe add a VERY SIMPLE Lsd menu and I think it would be Tits!


Fwiw, the only reason I mention LSD changes is because a lot of the MR cars in this game suffer from “lift off” oversteer which is very curable with some quick changes in the differential.

 

[stpatty]

If Gran Turismo wants tuning races, they need to kill the glitches. My best rounds were from tuning races because I exploited stupid things like flipped gearboxes, extreme rake, 1 degree of toe in, ass backwards camber, and shock settings that made no sense. If MCA had my tune he wouldve been top 3. How he made due with the tune he had I have no idea. Alien.

Not sure which looks more ridiculous, the camber or Jimmy's hair

 

[RACECAR]

Went into a practice room and decided to try my strategy with the two GR.3 cars I have the most experience with at Fuji: The Lexus RC F GT3 and the Toyota GR Supra Racing Concept. 10 Laps on Hards & 5 laps on Mediums, both have proven effective with the tire wear feeling somewhat minimal (which might just come down to my experience at this point). The cars produced interesting results though:

- The Lexus is thicc and stiff, not GT-R GT3 amounts of stiff (That thing is a one stiff bricc) but its definately at times abit of an immovable object. Thankfully, it's very good on the hards as the wear hardly changes the lap times. Once it's on the mediums, it can move and it can do some pretty good laps. Fuel is obviously not a concern either.

- The Toyota feels alot more free at the front, which shocked me abit. Last time I drove it on hard tires, it became a Mid-engined GT car in how very much it disliked the hards, but now its actually drivable. Was even able to keep up with Medium tire runners in the corners well before their tires went off the cliff. Unsurprisingly that translates to a very quick car once the Mediums get put on (Although it does like to dance abit). The real shocker though was how close fuel got at the end. Seeing it in the red with only 0.5 going into the final corners after not paying attention all race had me concerned, THIS level of concerned:

 

[Adam Barber]

Not sure which looks more ridiculous, the camber or Jimmy's hair

Definitely that camber.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

If MCA had my tune he wouldve been top 3. How he made due with the tune he had I have no idea.

Lots of raging and screaming.

 

[SmellMyCheese]

In with zero practice and with 2 mins to spare. Gave me enough time for one practice lap! Didn’t even get to put a livery on the car

Qualified 7th which wasn’t bad considering. Started on Mediums. Got past an R8 at the start. A McLaren F1 spun off up ahead a few laps later and I sat in 5th for the rest of the race. Was hard work though as had a Ferrari and AMG on my rear the for the last 5 laps and I had to defend for my life on the final lap from the AMG. They just couldn’t get past me down the straight. Good fun and very clean.

 

[D_Dragline]

Nations slot 2 Oceania. What. A. Race.

Lobby loads and I’m door 18/19 in top split! This does not fill me with confidence even though it is a weakened top split. I check the points and I need p13 to improve my season score so that is my goal. Mostly RCZs a few of us in Corvettes including @Erebus_9 and one brave soul in an RSR.

Get out early in qualy and do a good lap. 1:37.7xx and that proves to be good enough for Q9. I settle on a 6H9M strat.

Early racing goes well and everyone settles early. I trade places with a couple of cars on the first couple of laps and eventually settle in p10. I’m one of the first to pit and when the window closes I’m p9. I take P8 1 lap later when an RCZ gets it wrong out of the chicane.

I then get a track limit penalty on the next lap and lose a couple of spots. By lap 12 I’m p11 and P8 is less than a second up the road. @Erebus_9 and I swap places a few times over the next few laps but on lap 13 I decide to sit in behind and wait for the chicane on the last lap. I am getting through it much better than he is and feel like it is the ideal opportunity. On lap 14 someone ahead loses it before the final turn and we move up a spot.

Lap 15 and everything is going to plan. I get the inside run to the chicane, nail the braking point and hit both apexes. I now just need 3 good turns for p9. Approaching the final turn and @Erebus_9 gets out of shape behind me and the pressure is eased. As I make the final turn the yellow flags come out. Someone has lost it and hit the inside wall. Free spot and up to P8. I cross the line but one of the leaders has gotten a 1 minute penalty! P7! In top split!

206 points and one and done. I usually don’t enjoy Fuji, but boy this was a buzz. Great racing and a great result.

 

[Raptor013]

If Gran Turismo wants tuning races, they need to kill the glitches. My best rounds were from tuning races because I exploited stupid things like flipped gearboxes, extreme rake, 1 degree of toe in, ass backwards camber, and shock settings that made no sense. If MCA had my tune he wouldve been top 3. How he made due with the tune he had I have no idea. Alien.

1 degree of toe in isn't that extreme. I circuit race an Evo 5 and I run 1.5 degrees toe out on the front and 1 degree toe in on the rear to dial out the cars natural tendency to under-steer through corners.

I do agree with you that a lot of guys don't want / understand how to tune for racing in GTS. But that's half the challenge. With a tuning race I could most likely get the Evo X GT4 to be able to set a pole time at Monza even with its crappy BoP power and weight numbers that even the fastest GT4 cars couldn't match with their greater top speeds.


As for tonight's race. It was surprisingly fun at Fuji and very clean in the lobby I was in. Only 1 guy tried to make up a ton of positions at Turn 1 Lap 1 (and failed) and the rest of the race was generally run in a clean manner, with the odd back and forth whilst fighting for position, but nothing dirty.

Moved up from 15th to be running 7th with 2 laps to run. Only to make a mistake trying to go around the outside at Turn 1 (we were three wide), I touched the grass on exit and it dropped me down to 12th whilst I caught and recovered. Crossed the line in 10th for 104 points.

 

[stpatty]

Feels sad and a bit surreal to say this but I don't think I'm going to be racing much anymore unless there's another season and it's got loads of great races. This season has been pretty poor in both championships and I've fallen out of the habit of playing regularly and since I'm not that good (or at least adaptable) it's now much harder to jump in a car on a day and get up to a reasonable speed. Then since I know I'm going to be slow I pay less attention and want to race even less and... yeah. Bad combo.

Good luck everyone.

 

[GR33N]

Feels sad and a bit surreal to say this but I don't think I'm going to be racing much anymore unless there's another season and it's got loads of great races. This season has been pretty poor in both championships and I've fallen out of the habit of playing regularly and since I'm not that good (or at least adaptable) it's now much harder to jump in a car on a day and get up to a reasonable speed. Then since I know I'm going to be slow I pay less attention and want to race even less and... yeah. Bad combo.

Good luck everyone.

I saw you in the GT-R in that lobby and thought it was "brave". The thing is, at the level you're at now, if you want to be competitive, you simply can't jump in a car and go... most of the drivers still active at this stage are spending a great amount of time practicing !

Good luck if you decide to race anyway.

 

[VulcanSpirit]

Feels sad and a bit surreal to say this but I don't think I'm going to be racing much anymore unless there's another season and it's got loads of great races. This season has been pretty poor in both championships and I've fallen out of the habit of playing regularly and since I'm not that good (or at least adaptable) it's now much harder to jump in a car on a day and get up to a reasonable speed. Then since I know I'm going to be slow I pay less attention and want to race even less and... yeah. Bad combo.

Good luck everyone.

I can fully understand. I haven't felt as inclined to take part in the current FIA Championships, either. Did time trials for two of my preferred Nations combos (Le Mans Gr.1 and Fuji Gr.3), but simply couldn't find the pace, consistency, time or heart to get myself into a competitive position come race day.

Yep, still happy to make Manufacturers Season 2 my final championship in GT Sport - the Fuji Gr.4 finale is a memory too cherished to taint. My current focus is on creating new liveries and taking part in occasional community events when they come up.

Looking forward to a fresh start in GT7 where I should (hopefully) be more up to speed from the get-go.

 

[Benay79]

Wanted to give this race a go in a car no one else is likely to drive. Enter the M3!

Actually pretty fast and i enjoyed driving it. Got a decent 3rd in qualifying.

Was running 4th for most of the race and then had a great 3 car battle with regular 3 car wide moments and swapping positions with 4th-6th. Eventually I lost out in the group when getting knocked wide at T1 and losing slip.

Finally back to a DR A.

 

[Adam Barber]

Well qualifying got of to a bad start an an idiot dived down the inside T1 on my first lap after letting me go in S3 on the warm-up lap, eventually started 19th as I didn't manage to get a decent lap in.P12, 13th on the line but someone didn't use both tyres. 105 points. 7H/8M for me and a largely clean run. That felt like a race that I shouldn't have bothered with.

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• Adam Barber
• Dec 22, 2021

 

[OJBrit]

This one was chaotic but not for me.
Qualified P13. I didn't feel quite right with either of my laps. Both in time trial and qualy the grip seemed to be non existent. Thankfully a bit of fuel fixed the problem.
About 3 cars were spinning or wide out of TGR. The another span at Advan. A Supra came like an exocet down my inside into Dunlop. I thought they would go bowling with those ahead but thankfully either he got it stopped or their lap 1 wider line saved them. From there it was a case of pick off any spinners ahead and get the popcorn out for the battle with the Supra and a Merc which had started P2.
Here I stayed before my pitstop on lap 7 for meds. I got jumped by an RCZ and I came out behind the Supra which had gone in a lap earlier. They must have put on a previous old pair as they were squirming everywhere. I caught quickly but their defence was worse then Verstappen's at times. After I managed to get a nose in out of TGR I stuffed it up the inside at Coca Cola and never saw them again.
Ahead were battling and I managed to close in on the RCZ which jumped me towards the end of the race. On the penultimate lap they got a penalty for going wide at turn 13. I kept close throughout the next lap and got them on the final run from Panasonic as they served their penalty. Came home a solid P9 and all because I kept it on the track.

 

[Hasnain282]

Got hit at T1 and lost a few positions, after that was in a few battles. Admittedly I didn't drive the smartest in terms of getting a result but I had a fun race.

 

[Zorz]

One of these days I'll get comfortable doing Fuji in race conditions. My consistency is just not there, especially in sector 3 once the tyre wear starts kicking in. Still came away with a good result, but I wouldn't say I enjoyed the race.

Qualifying was very good, starting P4 from a 1:37.832 in the V12 Vantage but the start of the race was not. Once again (as I seem to get a lot this season!) I was caught out by the car in front starting on harder tyres in spite of starting at the sharp end of the grid. I tend to have a strong desire to take the first couple of laps of a race fairly easy and settle in, so having to go aggressive so early always throws me. Definitely something I need to try getting better at. Whilst I got past for a while, my aggressiveness led to mistakes and I was down in P5 when I entered the pits at the end of lap 7.

Things got a little ugly at the end of lap 9. I caught up with a McLaren F1 who had started at the back on Hards at the beginning of sector 3 and he was really struggling. The line he took into the final bend made me think he was sliding wide so I went up the inside on my fresh tyres, but then he turned in and me being there pushed him wider than he'd wanted. He didn't appreciate that (or what happened at the beginning of lap 10 from a couple of others who went for it into turn 1) as he called us all out after the race.

Kind of torn on how to look at it really - I'll freely admit it was quite an forceful pass on my part. In the heat of the moment I was desperate to pass and misinterpreted what I was seeing. On the other hand, part of me thinks that going that long on Hards is asking for trouble. Maybe with a cooler head I'd have done things differently but I was a bit flustered as I was frantically trying to keep as much pace as possible knowing there were cars on fresh Mediums approaching. I had not anticipated that anyone would be going that long and crawling around at that speed had completely closed the gap that had built up behind me.

End result, P7 for 171 points.