2023/2024 Ford Mustang

[Keef]

According to Wiki, that's slower than the last generation GT3 RS (6:56.4).

Edit* If the C8 ZR1 blitzes pass this thing, Chevy is going to have a field day in marketing.

I've found multiple times for these cars online so I assume manufacturers or owners have had several attempts. Ford says they're going back so we'll see what happens when it's warmer next spring.

 

[McLaren]

I've found multiple times for these cars online so I assume manufacturers or owners have had several attempts. Ford says they're going back so we'll see what happens when it's warmer next spring.

The sad thing is, getting under 7 seconds should be more than enough of worthy praise. But as @Tornado pointed out, Ford's CEO decided to call out other brands with some trash talk:

I want to see Porsche, I want to see Aston Martin, I want to see Mercedes sweat.

We looked at what Porsche had done with their racing Porsches, and we thought we could do it even better.

I want to go bigger in motorsports, but do it in a smart way, and I think companies like Porsche have outsmarted us in the past. Now it’s our time to outsmart them.

And now the engineering team & the driver have to find 10+ seconds of time to make up, which I think will be a tall order.

 

[Rossell2]

Oof. I didn't realise he'd trash talked like that, but I think he's going to be more than a little bit sore. I don't think any of those manufacturers he mentioned give an F.

 

[Keef]

The sad thing is, getting under 7 seconds should be more than enough of worthy praise. But as @Tornado pointed out, Ford's CEO decided to call out other brands with some trash talk:


And now the engineering team & the driver have to find 10+ seconds of time to make up, which I think will be a tall order.

I love the fact that a CEO is treating like this like its a sport. Ford Motor Company skull session before the game lmao.

To be fair, ford may be a huge operation with a ton of "resources" but literally all of Porsche's et al resources are designed specifically to be high performance and efficient. A brand like Porsche is probably valuing things like shop floor cleanliness and all that when they choose their suppliers and stuff like that costs time and money. Ford may be capable of top-tier products but they don't do it very often and typically "good enough" is good enough. That's not how Porsche operates so their entire process revolves around excellence. Even competing closely with a brand like that is impressive to me.

Bottom line is the GTD is another one-off project that Ford can rarely squeeze in whereas Porsche's entire business is based on building cars like that.

 

[MIE1992]

Bottom line is the GTD is another one-off project that Ford can rarely squeeze in whereas Porsche's entire business is based on building cars like that.

Yeah, like I get that the Mustang GTD is meant to be more or less analogous to the 911 GT3 RS, but the price alone for the former seems unreasonable. Nothing against the Mustang, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of one having a $300k MSRP, especially when a 911 GT3 RS can go for over $50k less than that. So while I really do like the idea of the Mustang GTD, I think it should've tried to undercut the 911 GT3 RS, rather than cost notably more. When I think of a car that costs around $300k, I think of say, Aston Martins, Ferraris, and the aforementioned Porsches - and maybe the Ford GT. But not a Mustang, no.

 

[05XR8]

Yeah, like I get that the Mustang GTD is meant to be more or less analogous to the 911 GT3 RS, but the price alone for the former seems unreasonable. Nothing against the Mustang, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of one having a $300k MSRP, especially when a 911 GT3 RS can go for over $50k less than that. So while I really do like the idea of the Mustang GTD, I think it should've tried to undercut the 911 GT3 RS, rather than cost notably more. When I think of a car that costs around $300k, I think of say, Aston Martins, Ferraris, and the aforementioned Porsches - and maybe the Ford GT. But not a Mustang, no.

Just in the same breath, the GTD smashes Ford’s own Ford GT around the ‘Ring. 6:57.685 to 7:52. Plus, the GTD cost less.
So, does a Ford GT owner keep that car or sell it for a GTD or keep both or don’t bother getting a GTD?

 

[r_outsider]

Just in the same breath, the GTD smashes Ford’s own Ford GT around the ‘Ring. 6:57.685 to 7:52. Plus, the GTD cost less.
So, does a Ford GT owner keep that car or sell it for a GTD or keep both or don’t bother getting a GTD?

Yeah, but that was the previous model in 2007. Ford never did a proper Nurburgring lap with the newer car.

I'd wager most with a 2017 GT could easily keep that and get a GTD to sit in the garage with it and the rest of the collection. Nobody actually DRIVES these things, after all.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah, like I get that the Mustang GTD is meant to be more or less analogous to the 911 GT3 RS, but the price alone for the former seems unreasonable. Nothing against the Mustang, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of one having a $300k MSRP, especially when a 911 GT3 RS can go for over $50k less than that. So while I really do like the idea of the Mustang GTD, I think it should've tried to undercut the 911 GT3 RS, rather than cost notably more. When I think of a car that costs around $300k, I think of say, Aston Martins, Ferraris, and the aforementioned Porsches - and maybe the Ford GT. But not a Mustang, no.

Well, that was the whole point of this exercise at the 'Ring, for Ford to validate its high price tag; it's RS money for a Mustang, but it's a race car Mustang that "beats" the RS, so actually, it's solid money. Plus, we're limiting production to further justify the price.

But, for now, all that marketing talk is gone. It would be interesting to see if anyone actually on the order list is bothered by this, but I suspect those people will just flip the car for a profit b/c half the order list are probably Ford collectors or flippers to begin with. The only people who really "lose" out from the GTD being that slow (so far) are the Ford CEO for running his mouth & the online people who've felt a need to "defend/excuse" the GTD being slower for some reason.

Just in the same breath, the GTD smashes Ford’s own Ford GT around the ‘Ring. 6:57.685 to 7:52. Plus, the GTD cost less.
So, does a Ford GT owner keep that car or sell it for a GTD or keep both or don’t bother getting a GTD?

If you can afford both, you'd probably keep both. Otherwise, I think it's driver preference since one's an analog supercar & the other is a road-legal race car.

Value wise, a smart owner will keep the GT. It became one of the fastest appreciating cars in the last 20 years & it's a really safe car to invest in. They've averaged $400,000 for the last 3 years, so it's leveled off, but you could invest that, enjoy it, and then sell it with minimal losses at worst.

 

[Keef]

Yeah, like I get that the Mustang GTD is meant to be more or less analogous to the 911 GT3 RS, but the price alone for the former seems unreasonable. Nothing against the Mustang, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of one having a $300k MSRP, especially when a 911 GT3 RS can go for over $50k less than that. So while I really do like the idea of the Mustang GTD, I think it should've tried to undercut the 911 GT3 RS, rather than cost notably more. When I think of a car that costs around $300k, I think of say, Aston Martins, Ferraris, and the aforementioned Porsches - and maybe the Ford GT. But not a Mustang, no.

Maybe I didn't get the point across, but the point was that it's actually going to be more expensive for a large company to make a boutique product than for a boutique company to make their regular product. Unlike Porsche, Ford does not have regular supply chains lined up for products like this, and many of their regular suppliers probably aren't even capable of making parts at the level they're demanding. Which is exactly the reason they're relying on Multimatic to put it all together.

 

[McLaren]

Maybe I didn't get the point across, but the point was that it's actually going to be more expensive for a large company to make a boutique product than for a boutique company to make their regular product. Unlike Porsche, Ford does not have regular supply chains lined up for products like this, and many of their regular suppliers probably aren't even capable of making parts at the level they're demanding. Which is exactly the reason they're relying on Multimatic to put it all together.

The only reason they're relying on them is b/c Multimatic Motorsports is Ford Performance's partner. These are the guys behind the GT GTE race car, and the ones who sell the GT Mk. II instead of Ford, & they are currently the designated builder for Mustang GT4s on behalf of Ford.

Given that that Multimatic already builds the GT3 race car for Ford, naturally Ford is going to rely on them to build what is just a road-going, unrestricted variant that the CEO or some other executive just conjured up as an idea one day in a meeting knowing they wouldn't have to push any of their resources into it.