2024 Ferrari F80 - LaFerrari replacement (F250)

[Touring Mars]

Thankfully, it does!

Cool 👍 It looks so much better in black.

My instant impression when I first saw the car was 'Wow!', but the more I look at it, the more I don't like it - though I reckon a 10 y.o. me would have loved it, and I like the fact that Ferrari have pushed the boat out stylistically and gone for something quite outlandish with this car; there's plenty of other 'beautiful' Ferraris, this one is more of a showstopper IMO.

If anyone wants a laugh, go onto GT7 and search for F80 to reveal some attempts at creating the F80 look on other Ferraris.

 

[Tornado]

I deciphered it for you

I'd say that looking like a 90s GTP car in 2024 (even divorced from the context of the entire rest of Ferrari's current lineup suffering from having an interchangeable aspect to them as this thread spent most of the first page talking about) is quite the opposite of "generic"; and suggests to me that you in fact have no idea what the meaning behind my post was. I'd even say that your repeated attempts on "translating" my thoughts on the car's design into something else entirely just makes you look like a fool.


But do keep whining about how many cylinders it has. That definitely wasn't an argument that was dumb in this exact market space 40 years ago.

 

[skazz]

I'm no car designer and I fully respect there work but to me there just nothing appealing about this car.

I'm sure the performance will be there but its just not a good looking car.

So far to me.

McLaren W1 - 9/10
Ferrari F80 - 4/10
Can wait to see what Porsche has in store.

I understand you giving the McLaren high score, but in this case you might have to rethink... the Mission X concept is pretty awesome:

I think it beats the W1 by a considerable margin, since the W1 looks somewhat generic compared to the P1:

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Now it looks like someone put a Ferrari badge on a C8.

Modern F40 if you will

 

[deththrasher]

I'd say that looking like a 90s GTP car in 2024 (even divorced from the context of the entire rest of Ferrari's current lineup suffering from having an interchangeable aspect to them as this thread spent most of the first page talking about) is quite the opposite of "generic"; and suggests to me that you in fact have no idea what the meaning behind my post was. I'd even say that your repeated attempts on "translating" my thoughts on the car's design into something else entirely just makes you look like a fool.


But do keep whining about how many cylinders it has. That definitely wasn't an argument that was dumb in this exact market space 40 years ago.

Ferrari without Pininfarina has lost its soul. They got arrogant, it happens to many companies but it's a shame it happened to the great Ferrari.

This design doesn't yell Ferrari like the previous hypercar celebrations did. This car lacks visual identity. The new McLaren W1 looks even worse, but I just care less.


A twin turbo V6 in their halo hypercar is a disappointment and no amount of being an apologist will change it. They sell their legendary high revving N/A V12 in their SUV, but not this. These days with the dawn of EVs, numbers barely matter. It's about emotion and engagement. Why has the 296 GTB sold less than expected? Because they downsized from the V8. Honestly though the engine isn't the worst part about the car ..it's just not very pretty or interesting to look at.

 

[McLaren]

A twin turbo V6 in their halo hypercar is a disappointment and no amount of being an apologist will change it.

Fortunately for anyone else, this will also always be just your opinion.

It's a Le Mans winning-derived engine. Ferrari's marketing will need to say no more.

Why has the 296 GTB sold less than expected?

Sales are up from last year & it's the highest selling vehicle. Factory production is currently maxed out throughout 2025. The August 1st report from Ferrari credits the 296 GTS as part of its 2.7% growth over last year.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

looking like a 90s GTP car

My first thought was Group C, but I think GTP is really what I was searching for. There's definitely some late 80s early 90s Spice/March/Eagle/Toyota GTP in there.

 

[deththrasher]

Fortunately for anyone else, this will also always be just your opinion.

It's a Le Mans winning-derived engine. Ferrari's marketing will need to say no more.

Sales are up from last year & it's the highest selling vehicle. Factory production is currently maxed out throughout 2025. The August 1st report from Ferrari credits the 296 GTS as part of its 2.7% growth over last year.

I'm shocked to see you being an apologist. 296s are not as desired as the V8 cars from beforehand. The 296 is a brilliant car, but cylinder count matters. V12 was the right move, La Ferrari will be more fondly remembered

 

[Terronium-12]

My only gripe at the moment is the soundtrack, and I'm none too sure if the one video I've seen thus far had the car under full throttle because the track (Monza) was wet.

V6s, in general, don't sound incredibly awe-inspiring though. Hopefully the inevitable F80XX can push the engine note harder/higher.

 

[McLaren]

296s are not as desired as the V8 cars from beforehand.

488 production based off Ferrari's percentages was around 1,000/year, same with the 458. F8 I believe was less at 3,750 altogether. Jan-August 2024, the 296 is currently projected at 3,000+ units & is sold out til' 2026. Clearly, your statement is not correct.

There's no point in attempting to go from, "They're not selling the 296s they expected to", to "Well, they're not as desired as the old V8s".

Additionally, just to correct this claim even further about V8s, from last year.

Some 51 per cent of Ferrari’s cars sold between July and September were hybrid, compared with 43 per cent in the previous three months and just 19 per cent a year ago. Four of the 13 models offered by Ferrari in the quarter were hybrids. Ferrari’s three-month sales were driven by the 296 GTB and GTS supercars, which are hybrids that also use a V6 engine, as well as the top-end SF90 hybrid.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a9fb4a2-602e-42b9-911f-4588fa00ed61

 

[deththrasher]

488 production based off Ferrari's percentages was around 1,000/year, same with the 458. F8 I believe was less at 3,750 altogether. Jan-August 2024, the 296 is currently projected at 3,000+ units & is sold out til' 2026. Clearly, your statement is not correct.

There's no point in attempting to go from, "They're not selling the 296s they expected to", to "Well, they're not as desired as the old V8s".

Additionally, just to correct this claim even further about V8s, from last year.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a9fb4a2-602e-42b9-911f-4588fa00ed61

Used F8 tributos are going for more than newer used 296s. That's not normal. Ferrari make too many cars and seem to misjudge what their core wants from the brand. It's not just the badge, it's the romance and heritage. V12 is part of that. V8 is part of that for their baby midship Ferrari

 

[Rossell2]

I'm shocked to see you being an apologist. 296s are not as desired as the V8 cars from beforehand. The 296 is a brilliant car, but cylinder count matters. V12 was the right move, La Ferrari will be more fondly remembered

People spending that much money don't give two hoots about the engine as long as its faster than the last one and looks good in Monaco.

 

[McLaren]

Used F8 tributos are going for more than newer used 296s. That's not normal.

They're not. The markets are actually on par with each other which means people are willing to spend more on a used 296 than a new one b/c they don't want to wait. This further attempt at goal post moving has actually showcased a demand for a 296.

Ferrari make too many cars and seem to misjudge what their core wants from the brand.

They're doing better than ever....

This is akin to when the "purists" cried about Ferrari killing the manuals. They extended production of it & surprise, nobody was buying it. They're listening to the market, not people like yourself who aren't their clientele.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

I understand you giving the McLaren high score, but in this case you might have to rethink... the Mission X concept is pretty awesome:
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I think it beats the W1 by a considerable margin, since the W1 looks somewhat generic compared to the P1:
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Mission X is still a concept car have to wait for the full reveal. 👍

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

They're not. The markets are actually on par with each other which means people are willing to spend more on a used 296 than a new one b/c they don't want to wait. This further attempt at goal post moving has actually showcased a demand for a 296.

They're doing better than ever....

This is akin to when the "purists" cried about Ferrari killing the manuals. They extended production of it & surprise, nobody was buying it. They're listening to the market, not people like yourself who aren't their clientele.

There's no denying that, as a business, Ferrari is crushing it.

I personally don't like what they've become to get there (which I'm not gonna rehash) but if Ferrari's aim when they IPO'd back in 2015 was to make a lot of money - it's impossible to look at a 747% market cap gain and not judge it to be a success. There are just a lot more people with the kind of income needed to afford a Ferrari now than there was in the 1960s-1980s because of the bifurcation of the middle class, and Ferrari is leveraging that to sell a lot of product.

 

[Tornado]

This design doesn't yell Ferrari like the previous hypercar celebrations did. This car lacks visual identity.

How much "visual identity" did the one that was a 308 with the Group B body kit have? Everyone loves that one and always has. What about the one before that that was a 308 with a wheelbase stretch and flared fenders?



The Enzo is the outlier in this conversation, not the F80. And from a styling perspective I've preferred any of the other Ferrari flagship hypercars instead of the one from the guy whose resume is otherwise "allegedly rounded the corners and stretched out the 3rd generation Camaro (but probably had little to do with it), claimed to have rounded off the corners and stretched out the C4 Corvette (but most likely had nothing to do with it), worked on something that's somewhat related to the NSX, added fried eggs to the 911."

A twin turbo V6 in their halo hypercar is a disappointment and no amount of being an apologist will change it. They sell their legendary high revving N/A V12 in their SUV, but not this.

I would have thought me already mocking the sentiment would have gotten across that I saw this the first time you said it. I'm sure, though, Ferrari is terribly upset that you canceled your preorder because you don't consider it a real Ferrari compared to that Mazda CX-5 you keep bringing up.



Did your father similarly canceling his F40 upset Enzo himself so much that he literally died from grief?

 

[RACECAR]

There is something hilarious about the whole "Soul" argument, which seemingly always comes from someone who more then likely can't afford the damn thing anyway.

The moment this so called "Soul" is proven to dependably increase profitability & increase sales, I'll take any of it seriously.

 

[skazz]

I'm pretty sure that the F80, being a limited run hypercar, was 100% sold out to Ferrari customers before any of us plebs got even a glimpse of it

 

[Touring Mars]

I'm pretty sure that the F80, being a limited run hypercar, was 100% sold out to Ferrari customers before any of us plebs got even a glimpse of it

The annoying thing is, they will be even more expensive second-hand as well.

 

[skazz]

The annoying thing is, they will be even more expensive second-hand as well.

Well buying them new requires you to have already been a long term Ferrari owner, with multiple purchases of "lesser" cars in order to be in contention to be offered the chance to get one of the hypercars. So you could argue that a mark-up to buy one second hand is still cheaper than buying enough lesser Ferraris to be entitled to buy an F80 first hand anyway.

 

[McLaren]

I'm pretty sure that the F80, being a limited run hypercar, was 100% sold out to Ferrari customers before any of us plebs got even a glimpse of it

Oh, for sure.

Even if it's not 100% sold out in the sense that not all the allocations have been actually been designated, Ferrari's in-house marketing still likes to define sold out as meaning, "more buyers than cars available". Which is a bit wild to accept given they've nearly doubled production over the LaFerrari (499 vs 799), and there's still over 800 people eagerly ready to drop $3.2+ million on it through a long waiting list.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Fixed 😀


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Looks like an F40 now.

 

[SuperSportX]

Fixed 😀


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Looks much better IMO as the black bar ruined the front end for me.

 

[deththrasher]

They're not. The markets are actually on par with each other which means people are willing to spend more on a used 296 than a new one b/c they don't want to wait. This further attempt at goal post moving has actually showcased a demand for a 296.

They're doing better than ever....

This is akin to when the "purists" cried about Ferrari killing the manuals. They extended production of it & surprise, nobody was buying it. They're listening to the market, not people like yourself who aren't their clientele.

Im UK biased and should have stated so. It's well known the 296 was over allocated here and is selling for unders. I think the car is doing great in the US. I'm not moving goal posts. I read Ferrari forums and articles and all I have seen from UK is the 296 not having the demand of old, due to making too many and the V6 engine not pulling the heart strings like the V8s

 

[McLaren]

Im UK biased and should have stated so. It's well known the 296 was over allocated here and is selling for unders. I think the car is doing great in the US. I'm not moving goal posts. I read Ferrari forums and articles and all I have seen from UK is the 296 not having the demand of old, due to making too many and the V6 engine not pulling the heart strings like the V8s

You need to take another look then. In your market, F8s are selling for £200,000-£250,000 from what I'm seeing. 296s are commanding £215,000-£300,000. My statement remains the same; the markets are on par with each other with people willing to pay over the car's £245,000 MSRP to get one now, which signifies there is demand for it.

And yes, there has been moving goal posts. This discussion started with you claiming that the 296 has "sold less than expected" which was debunked because the car is sold out through 2025. Then, you tried to argue about the used market vs. new market values/demand against an older model, which has no bearing on the car's current sales numbers & Ferrari crediting it with their current sales success, but even then, that claim is not correct.

I'm not really interested in what forums you're reading & you choosing to reshare their views that are nothing more than emotion-based than factual. I read the same opinions on Ferrarichat; a good chunk of their members are nothing but old heads longing for the days of Testarossas & shady money. These are the guys appreciating the F8's V8 against the 296's V6 trying to pretend they're not the same people who whined when Ferrari decided to twin turbo the V8 and "kill" the sound of the N/A.

"Pulling the heart strings" is as I said before; akin to the crying about Ferrari killing the manuals b/c the market decided they were not cost-efficient. If you want that coveted F154 V8 from the F8, the Roma is right there & significantly cheaper. Or one can splurge for the SF90. But, if that V8 was so important & the decision to downsize to a V6 was so bad, why isn't the Roma suddenly outselling the 296? Because the market & the people who actually buy these cars do not care.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Im UK biased and should have stated so. It's well known the 296 was over allocated here and is selling for unders. I think the car is doing great in the US. I'm not moving goal posts. I read Ferrari forums and articles and all I have seen from UK is the 296 not having the demand of old, due to making too many and the V6 engine not pulling the heart strings like the V8s

I don't think you're making the right argument. The V6 is totally fine for the 296GTB and from most accounts, it's a really good car. I think there is an argument that the same engine isn't, however, appropriate for a F## car. I would love for Ferrari to build an engine rivaling the N/A brilliance of Cosworth's latest efforts, but then again the F40 had a lot of character because of it's small displacement turbo engine. For me it's too early to tell, but I don't think the 296GTB is relevant to the conversation.

 

[Keef]

but then again the F40 had a lot of character because of it's small displacement turbo engine.

At least by modern standards, the F40 was a terrible car. Peaky powerband, miserable sound, bargain-basement in terms of creature comforts, noisy but not in a good way, difficult to drive in all regimes. It was a race car for the road which some would argue is why it's so great.

The F1 was too, but it also wasn't crap in the process.

 

[McLaren]

The F1 was never a race car for the road? The simple fact Gordon wanted it with 3 seats should tell that much, & he pitched it to Ron Dennis as the ultimate road car. Gordon had zero desire to take the car racing & he designed the car that showed they had no intention of easily modifying it for racing.

 

[Keef]

The F1 was never a race car for the road? The simple fact Gordon wanted it with 3 seats should tell that much, & he pitched it to Ron Dennis as the ultimate road car. Gordon had zero desire to take the car racing & he designed the car that showed they had no intention of easily modifying it for racing.

So it was a road car that was better at both the road and racing than a race car? The F40 is legendary don't get me wrong, but it wasn't all that good of a car.

 

[-Fred-]

I was listening to Chris Harris' podcast yesterday and one of his guests said something about the F80's styling that I can't unsee; It looks like what the Lego version of itself would look like.

So it was a road car that was better at both the road and racing than a race car? The F40 is legendary don't get me wrong, but it wasn't all that good of a car.

Gordon Murray famously said the F1 was built as a roadcar first and foremost and originally had no intention to go racing. Ray Bellm(with backing from Gulf) and Thomas Bscher showed up to McLaren with big bags of money and said, that car is perfect for the new BPR Championship (which became GT1 shortly after) can you build us one to conquer it? The rest is history, it dominated BPR, it won Le Mans on debut and is, nearly 30 years later, still the last production based, road legal car to win overall.