2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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Name one....
I’m not going to waste my time. First of all, you can’t possibly defend the man so vigorously yet have no idea what crimes he is on trial for. Nevertheless, whatever specific examples I would answer, you will predictably claim fake news. That he didn’t do it, he could never do it, if he did do it it was no big deal, and that all of his nearly 100 felonies were manufactured by the Biden syndicate in order to jail him.
 
That's suppressing free speech. Try again

No. The government passing laws against speech or banning books (like florida is happy to do) is suppressing free speech. Talking back or refusing to give someone YOUR platform is itself speech. Honestly, please make an attempt to understand the 1st amendment. Your country was founded on it. The lack of understanding of the US is embarrassing. You pretend you're a patriot but don't understand free speech or due process.

Where do your truths originate from? The dimwits on "The View". :lol:

Um... no. Trump himself has explained everything I'm writing. I don't watch "The View".

100% a lie. He did nothing of the sort.

Did, on tape, and was literally impeached for it. You should actually attempt to understand what has happened. It is American history at this point.

Absolute garbage
You must be a Joe Scarborough fan. :scared:

Who? Honestly do you just think everyone is regurgitating their views from whatever they heard? You're telling on yourself a bit.
 
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Everyone who opposes Trump (or even acknowledges any of his wrongdoings) must be a brainwashed leftist! Never mind the fact that someone like Danoff, who is one of the most articulate and knowledgeable anti-Trump voices on this site, seems to be a libertarian with largely right-wing economic views.

EDIT: Joe Scarborough is not even a Democrat.
 
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Full disclosure: I'm all about open dialogue and the sharing of opinions from different perspectives. But I just saw this on YouTube.com and I thought it was pretty humorous. Warning, there's a curse word in there.


You think it's "humorous" b/c that's how dumb ass Conservatives actually think: "your opinion doesn't matter, you don't live here". I know b/c I was a dumb ass conservative in my youth & had this exact same mindset.

Then, I realized Europeans & other places have just as much experience with the same political topics as Americans do. The difference is our Conservatives are full blown stupid in their logic compared to everyone else' right wing parties. There's an Exhibit A going on in this thread right now.
 
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I’m not going to waste my time.
Not one? Okay
Did, on tape, and was literally impeached for it.
Why lie about it? Are you misinformed, or just dishonest?
Danoff, who is one of the most articulate and knowledgeable anti-Trump voices on this site, seems to be a libertarian with largely right-wing economic views.
He doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. He astonishingly opposes facts, that don't align with his misguided narrative.
Not much of what he says is actually true.
 
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I don't seem to know what I'm talking about. I astonishingly oppose facts, that don't align with my misguided narrative.
Hardly anything I say is true.
I didn't actually need to fix this, everyone already knows. It's just more fun if we warp reality the way you do & see you acknowledge your shortcoming.
Clown Losing GIF by Travis
 
40 years for the same segment of society to go from straight up Russophobia to literally parroting things that have been investigated by the US security services and found to be Russian propaganda. Astonishing stuff.

It's like all the email scams the Boomers used to fall for, but they've given their vote away rather than just their money.
 
Not one? Okay
No, not one. Literally dozens. The point of his post, if you'd even bother to actually ready anything anyone posts and think for a second, was it isn't worth his time to line item even a fraction of them as you'll do what you always do - casually blow every one of them off without a second thought. So why should he waste his time talking to a wall?
He astonishingly opposes facts
Please present us with some of these facts. And since you get to pick and choose, post the facts from a reputable source.
 
You think it's "humorous" b/c that's how dumb ass Conservatives actually think: "your opinion doesn't matter, you don't live here". I know b/c I was a dumb ass conservative in my youth & had this exact same mindset.

Then, I realized Europeans & other places have just as much experience with the same political topics as Americans do. The difference is our Conservatives are full blown stupid in their logic compared to everyone else' right wing parties. There's an Exhibit A going on in this thread right now.


Yard_Sale struggles as he slowly removes one hand from the task of keeping the sky from falling, he fetches his cellular device from the front pocket of his OP shorts and frantically hits the "talk to type" function before the phone clumsily drops from his hand, the entire weight of the sky now resting on his back. Struggling immensely, he manages to get out a few words. He says:



Take it easy man. Just thought it was funny. Siri, SEND MESSAGE!!
 
Also, you haven't given evidence WHY none of this is true.
Why should I? All the info is available. The dude just says stuff that he's heard from the msm. It's disingenuous crap.
I didn't actually need to fix this, everyone already knows. It's just more fun if we warp reality the way you do & see you acknowledge your shortcoming.
You're a tool. :lol:
@Blitz24 may want to see some evidence for your assertions.
 
Yard_Sale struggles as he slowly removes one hand from the task of keeping the sky from falling, he fetches his cellular device from the front pocket of his OP shorts and frantically hits the "talk to type" function before the phone clumsily drops from his hand, the entire weight of the sky now resting on his back. Struggling immensely, he manages to get out a few words. He says:



Take it easy man. Just thought it was funny. Siri, SEND MESSAGE!!
What is this I don’t even
 
It's like you're quoting for Trumps impeachment and just replacing "Trump" with "Biden" for no reason. Trump did this, on tape, and was impeached for it.
100% a lie. He did nothing of the sort.
Did, on tape, and was literally impeached for it. You should actually attempt to understand what has happened. It is American history at this point.
Why lie about it? Are you misinformed, or just dishonest?
I'll assume Congress's own statement on the matter is sufficiently not "MSM" for you:

 
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No, not one. Literally dozens. The point of his post, if you'd even bother to actually ready anything anyone posts and think for a second, was it isn't worth his time to line item even a fraction of them as you'll do what you always do - casually blow every one of them off without a second thought. So why should he waste his time talking to a wall?
Is your thumb sore from pushing on the liberal scale?
When I said I didn't want to list Trump accomplishments, for the fear of being ridiculed, I got lit up by the muppets here.
No likewise defense from you at that point.
This game is rigged, and you're culpable.

Go ahead and give me one of the dozens of felonies. Otherwise, leave me alone.
 
Is your thumb sore from pushing on the liberal scale?
When I said I didn't want to list Trump accomplishments, for the fear of being ridiculed, I got lit up by the muppets here.
No likewise defense from you at that point.
This game is rigged, and you're culpable.
Lame cop out. Color me surprised.
Otherwise, leave me alone.
No one is making you stay.

In fact, I'll even help you out. All you have to do is click this.
 
So what's the funny? That ironically, you & the other Californian currently participating right now have political opinions we shouldn't give a **** about?

That's some self awareness I suppose.


Coming from the tool shed himself.
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Precisely one of the reasons I found it funny
 

This won't sway the cultists, because Dear Leader will always be Dear Leader, but it's worth a read.

"I had to speak out now because the 2024 election might turn on this issue of who is cognitively capable: Biden or Trump? It's a major issue that will affect some people's votes. Not enough people are sounding the alarm, that based on his behavior, and in my opinion, Donald Trump is dangerously demented. In fact, we are seeing the opposite among too many in the news media, the political leaders and among the public. There is also this focus on Biden's gaffes or other things that are well within the normal limits of aging. By comparison, Trump appears to be showing gross signs of dementia. This is a tale of two brains. Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing."
 
The trouble with the former guy is that the more **** that happens to him, the more he can use it as supposed evidence that he's the victim of a gargantuan deep state conspiracy between the Dems, the MSM and the devil whose sole purpose is to make him look bad.

When he's doing a fine job of doing that without their help.
This is the other slightly concerning thing. Trump owes so much money to so many people at this point that he's a massive, massive security risk. Add in his past behaviour, and there's absolutely no way he'd be granted any security clearance if he were just another government employee.
Erdogan, a capricious, activist judge making a unilateral judgement for hundreds of millions, in a case with no victim. :rolleyes:
Engoron?

Talk about a Freudian slip.
I’m not going to waste my time. First of all, you can’t possibly defend the man so vigorously yet have no idea what crimes he is on trial for. Nevertheless, whatever specific examples I would answer, you will predictably claim fake news. That he didn’t do it, he could never do it, if he did do it it was no big deal, and that all of his nearly 100 felonies were manufactured by the Biden syndicate in order to jail him.
Sturk is the prime example of the assertion that Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters. There could be video of the crime and Trump could publically admit that he'd done it, and Sturk would still somehow be arguing that it was a witch hunt made up by the Democrats to get rid of a political opponent.

Facts don't matter, it's all about loyalty to your team. It's a cult, and you can't convince cultists that they're wrong. If you could, they wouldn't be cultists.
What is this I don’t even
He thinks he's holding up the sky but he's just propping up his own overinflated sense of how important he is. It's a full time job.
 
This is the other slightly concerning thing. Trump owes so much money to so many people at this point that he's a massive, massive security risk. Add in his past behaviour, and there's absolutely no way he'd be granted any security clearance if he were just another government employee.

Engoron?

Talk about a Freudian slip.

Sturk is the prime example of the assertion that Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any voters. There could be video of the crime and Trump could publically admit that he'd done it, and Sturk would still somehow be arguing that it was a witch hunt made up by the Democrats to get rid of a political opponent.

Facts don't matter, it's all about loyalty to your team. It's a cult, and you can't convince cultists that they're wrong. If you could, they wouldn't be cultists.

He thinks he's holding up the sky but he's just propping up his own overinflated sense of how important he is. It's a full time job.


Looks like Tex_Rex is the only sarcastic one here with a sense of humor and the ability to think around corners. Shame, really.




Ok, ok. Famine has some good stuff too. He had a zinger in the GTWS forum yesterday that went over most people's head - quite possibly mine as well 😳
 
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So, I just got done watching the complete SOTU. I mean, he got through it, so that’s something I suppose. Overtly partisan. But so was Trump’s SOTU’s….. so like, whatever.

But it’s going to be an uphill slog for the Democrats to win this thing. It’s way too early to tell, and a lot can happen in the next 8 months. But assuming that Trump does end up on the ticket (I think he will), he picks the right running mate (I think he will), he gets Hailey’s voters that weren’t just Dems placing their thumb on the scale (the democrat voters trying to elevate Hailey are in the extreme minority of her total vote haul, despite what both sides of the sensationalist media will try to tell you. Nonetheless, I think Trump will get the majority of her voters in his column), and assuming he doesn’t step on his meat too much (doubtful that’ll be the case 😂)

My waaaay too early prediction is that Trump wins by five points. Seven points, tops.
 
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Looks like Tex_Rex is the only sarcastic one here with a sense of humor and the ability to think around corners. Shame, really.




Ok, ok. Famine has some good stuff too. He had a zinger in the GTWS forum yesterday that went over most people's head - quite possibly mine as well 😳
Oh no! Yard Sale thinks I'm stupid! My whole life is a waste! Quick, let me devote my time to learning how to post to please him!

Definitely no overinflated sense of self-importance. :rolleyes:
 
So, I just got done watching the complete SOTU. I mean, he got through it, so that’s something I suppose. Overtly partisan. But so was Trump’s SOTU’s….. so like, whatever.

But it’s going to be an uphill slog for the Democrats to win this thing. It’s way too early to tell, and a lot can happen in the next 8 months. But assuming that Trump does end up on the ticket (I think he will), he picks the right running mate (I think he will), he gets Hailey’s voters that weren’t just Dems placing their thumb on the scale (the democrat voters trying to elevate Hailey are in the extreme minority of her total vote haul, despite what both sides of the sensationalist media will try to tell you. Nonetheless, I think Trump will get the majority of her voters in his column), and assuming he doesn’t step on his meat too much (doubtful that’ll be the case 😂)

My waaaay too early prediction is that Trump wins by five points. Seven points, tops.
The issue is not getting the majority. It's how many of her Republican supporters he's going to lose & how much of an impact that will be.
Haley primary voters break for Biden in the general election, 63% to 27%, with 10% undecided. In 2020 these voters broke for Biden 52% to 36%.

Many of those Haley voters have been adamant about what their votes mean. Across the GOP primary states with exit polls, 79% of Haley voters said they would dissatisfied with Trump as the nominee and a similar 79% said Trump would be unfit for office if he is convicted of a crime. (He denies all wrongdoing.)

Evan as Trump continues to spread false claims about the 2020 election, 83% of Haley voters in exit polls said Biden legitimately won the presidency. Those voters appear more moderate across a range of other issues, including immigration and abortion, that are likely to be central to the fall campaign.

Among that, Haley did not also give Trump a glowing response in her bow out & reportedly did not endorse him. She said he has to earn her supporters' votes & judging by both candidates' first comments on her leaving the race, Trump hasn't done himself much favor with them.
Pretty much at the same time she was speaking, Trump invited Haley supporters to join his campaign. But that was almost an afterthought in a social-media post that also declared that Haley "got TROUNCED last night, in record setting fashion" and alleged that she was secretly funded by "Radical Left Democrats."
Contrast that with the statement President Joe Biden released Wednesday morning, praising Haley for the "courage" to run for president and try to defeat Trump.

"Donald Trump made it clear he doesn't want Nikki Haley's supporters. I want to be clear: There is a place for them in my campaign," the president said in a campaign statement.
 
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Oh no! Yard Sale thinks I'm stupid! My whole life is a waste! Quick, let me devote my time to learning how to post to please him!

Definitely no overinflated sense of self-importance. :rolleyes:

Nobody said such a thing. But your free to draw your own conclusions
The issue is not getting the majority. It's how many of her Republican supporters he's going to lose & how much of an impact that will be.




Among that, Haley did not also give Trump a glowing response in her bow out & reportedly did not endorse him. She said he has to earn her supporters' votes & judging by both candidates' first comments on her leaving the race, Trump hasn't done himself much favor with them.

I agree with all of that. I just think that in the end, the Republican voters that make up her constituency, will end up pulling the lever for Trump.

Hailey will endorse Trump. Give it time.

When you (not ‘you’ specifically…but for whatever reason, I feel like this thread’s constituency requires the distinction of such) take off the partisan glasses, and peer through the lens of an undecided/moderate voter, the most basic question will be wether their life was better four years ago. When voting with their wallets like a lot of people do, I think the answer will be “yes”. Whether or not that will be enough for them to vote Trump is to be seen.

It should be noted that even though the cable news networks as well as the Biden campaign, will label this election cycle as a “threat to democracy” and this will be a cornerstone theme for the next 8 months, I’m not quite sure the moderate/undecided voter is going to see it that way, or be willing to put that ahead of their own personal interests. For that matter, I think there’s a palatable portion of Democrats who don’t necessarily see this election as a “threat to democracy” either.

Then there’s the polling by demographics metrics (which I’m not entirely convinced of). Shows 50% of Latinos are Pro-Trump, significantly more Suburban women than his last bid, and I think the Black polling numbers are close to 25% or something like that. And if he names Scott as his running mate, that number (whatever it actually is) will only increase amongst both the Black and Hispanic voters.

The economy is in need of a healthy dose of Albuterol, and liberal cities that were once very insulated from the decades-old southern border problem, are now VERY aware of it and not happy.

Of course Biden was right with the Republicans playing politics with the failed border bill (although there was some pretty egregious intricacies of that bill - having to do with the “daily allowance” of illegal aliens allowed through per day before it was deemed a “crisis”…or whatever the exact language was). But Biden doesn’t need a bipartisan bill, and he knows that. (You also need more than 100 new judges to process 15 million illegals in a timely matter too…ffs Democrats). He also didn’t need 3 years to try to get anything done either. He could still just declare a state of emergency and “executive order” policy through like Trump did; but it goes without saying that doing something like that runs the very real risk of losing some of the support from young-ish progressive voters, to the point where they don’t show up come Election Day. Biden knows this too.

Reproductive rights. Meh, that’ll play decently….but he already has those voters.

Climate policy? I don’t think that’s a forefront issue for most undecideds. And the voters in which Climate Policy is a big issue, he already has them.



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Oh yeah, Trump hasn’t technically been “convicted” of anything yet. So the point that that article was trying to make on 79% of Hailey voters saying he would be “unfit” for office is moot, for now. Not to mention, “unfit” for office and “unwilling to vote for” are 2 separate distinctions that might, or might not be realized come November
 
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The difference is our Conservatives are full blown stupid in their logic compared to everyone else' right wing parties.

In fairness, I think it's just a bit more brazen (and religious) in the states. You only have to watch ex-recent-UK-PM Liz Truss's contribution to CPAC to see the stupidity is alive and well on our conservative right here too.
 
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