2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Liquid]

40 years for the same segment of society to go from straight up Russophobia to literally parroting things that have been investigated by the US security services and found to be Russian propaganda. Astonishing stuff.

Once again: the Soviet Union won the Cold War.


It's a glib remark, sure, but ideologically this seed planted 40 years ago has come to fruition.

 

[Imari]

Hailey will endorse Trump. Give it time.

What's the benefit to her for doing so?

She knows she's not going in for this election, so she's going to be looking towards 2028 and beyond. She should not be thinking about what will be popular now, but how history will be looking back on her actions in 4 or 8 more years.

When Trump is off the scene, will she be looked at more favourably for supporting Trump or for publically opposing him? That's going to depend mostly on whether or not he wins and what happens between now and then, but there's a pretty decent chance that even if Trump wins he does something catastrophic in the next four years that makes being visibly opposed to him of strategic benefit.

I think that after Trump there's probably going to be a pretty big gap for a reformist Republican candidate to step into. Someone with a more traditional, practical no-nonsense "let's just get stuff done for the sake of the country and stop all the fussing and fighting" message. The old-fashioned honourable McCain style, "I don't agree with my opponents but they're good people trying to serve their country".

It may not happen, the two parties may choose to escalate even further with "celebrity" candidates and choose brand power over experience and ability with governance. But there will be an opportunity, and Hailey may want to position herself now as not Trump affiliated and gamble on the chance that Trump ****s it all up badly enough that even die hards start to want to jump off the Trump train.

For some that's impossible, but I think for most Trump supporters there's still stuff that a president could do that would make them say "nope, that's too much, I'm out".

Once again: the Soviet Union won the Cold War.


It's a glib remark, sure, but ideologically this seed planted 40 years ago has come to fruition.

I think it's more that Russia and China in the post-Cold War era are much, much better at global diplomacy, influence and espionage than the US are. The US has immense military power, but it's been demonstrated how difficult it can be to achieve concrete goals with that.

In an information age where outright war is often considered socially unacceptable for advanced nations, diplomacy and control of information are so much more powerful than a bunch of big guns. Hell, money is a lot more powerful than a bunch of big guns most of the time. Why invade a country when you can just buy control of it?

As a country that idolises wealth over almost everything else, America is uniquely susceptible to adversaries simply buying their way into whatever they want. Especially when wealth seems to make a lot of crimes either trivial or suddenly not crimes at all.

 

[Danoff]

the most basic question will be wether their life was better four years ago

Well it is. Because 4 years ago we were still dealing with the pandemic. But I think this is a very interesting view you have of people in general, who are controlled entirely in your view by simple greed and comfort and cannot vote based on any principles at all - especially not the principles their country was founded on.

It's interesting to me that the flag-waving patriotic group is often so quick to claim that voters should/will throw all that in the garbage and vote for whoever looks like the best meal ticket. I hope that cynical view is not accurate.

Anyway Biden is the better meal ticket AND the better principled vote in this case.

It should be noted that even though the cable news networks as well as the Biden campaign, will label this election cycle as a “threat to democracy” and this will be a cornerstone theme for the next 8 months, I’m not quite sure the moderate/undecided voter is going to see it that way, or be willing to put that ahead of their own personal interests. For that matter, I think there’s a palatable portion of Democrats who don’t necessarily see this election as a “threat to democracy” either.

It may be that people forget Jan. 6th that quickly. I suppose if they really can't remember only a few years back then they don't deserve a functioning government. But what about the people they're supposedly outvoting?

But Biden doesn’t need a bipartisan bill, and he knows that

You are aware that the democrats do not have control of the house right? What are you talking about?

He could still just declare a state of emergency and “executive order” policy through like Trump did;

Is this what you're talking about? That Biden should just circumvent the process to cover for Trump. Trump intentionally sunk a bipartisan border bill in order to manipulate voters! You think he cares about the border? He's stopping action on the border because he can use it personally. Some interesting mental gymnastics there - the democrats are to blame for the border because when republicans refuse to work with them on the border they should just go full Trump and circumvent congress to achieve the republican's goals. What?

Reproductive rights. Meh, that’ll play decently….but he already has those voters.

Well over half, not quite two-thirds, of the country is pro-choice.

Oh yeah, Trump hasn’t technically been “convicted” of anything yet. So the point that that article was trying to make on 79% of Hailey voters saying he would be “unfit” for office is moot, for now. Not to mention, “unfit” for office and “unwilling to vote for” are 2 separate distinctions that might, or might not be realized come November

No it's not moot. Trump was impeached twice, and has been shown in court (and agreed to by a jury) to have raped someone (by standard use of the word rape), and is currently arguing in court that he can execute political opposition. And also, he incited a mob to kill the VP. Hasn't been convicted yet? He's not fit for office. He's barred from office by the 14th amendment.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Well it is. Because 4 years ago we were still dealing with the pandemic. But I think this is a very interesting view you have of people in general, who are controlled entirely in your view by simple greed and comfort and cannot vote based on any principles at all - especially not the principles their country was founded on.

It's interesting to me that the flag-waving patriotic group is often so quick to claim that voters should/will throw all that in the garbage and vote for whoever looks like the best meal ticket. I hope that cynical view is not accurate.

Anyway Biden is the better meal ticket AND the better principled vote in this case.




It may be that people forget Jan. 6th that quickly. I suppose if they really can't remember only a few years back then they don't deserve a functioning government. But what about the people they're supposedly outvoting?



You are aware that the democrats do not have control of the house right? What are you talking about?



Is this what you're talking about? That Biden should just circumvent the process to cover for Trump. Trump intentionally sunk a bipartisan border bill in order to manipulate voters! You think he cares about the border? He's stopping action on the border because he can use it personally. Some interesting mental gymnastics there - the democrats are to blame for the border because when republicans refuse to work with them on the border they should just go full Trump and circumvent congress to achieve the republican's goals. What?



Well over half, not quite two-thirds, of the country is pro-choice.



No it's not moot. Trump was impeached twice, and has been shown in court (and agreed to by a jury) to have raped someone (by standard use of the word rape), and is currently arguing in court that he can execute political opposition. And also, he incited a mob to kill the VP. Hasn't been convicted yet? He's not fit for office. He's barred from office by the 14th amendment.

I don’t mean this as an insult, but you should try looking at this without partisan glasses on. People’s priorities might surprise you, and who’s to say that their right or wrong with the order in which they place them

 

[Danoff]

I don’t mean this as an insult, but you should try looking at this without partisan glasses on. People’s priorities might surprise you, and who’s to say that their right or wrong with the order in which they place them

How is anything I said partisan? I'm not a democrat, don't consider myself a democrat. I don't hold most of the democrat values. I have no idea why you assume I'm partisan. Opposing Trump is not partisan, it's not politics. Trump's campaign is entirely authoritarian. It's basically one big "trust me".

The d-bags driving around with the giant american flag pretending to be patriotic, people like @sturk0167, who think they support America and American values, are the ones who you'd think would be the very first to argue that folks who just vote for the best meal ticket (which again, of the two is Biden), are not patriots and don't deserve their government. But those same d-bags don't understand America, they think voting for the best meal ticket somehow IS American patriotism. That's just stupidity really, not patriotism, myopia. Sheeplike.

Anyway, you should probably take your own advice on this. I don't care about republican vs. democrat. If that's all this were, I'd be voting third party.

 

[TexRex]

Exactly what part do you think is a lie? That he was impeached? That he was impeached for attempting to withhold aid to Ukraine? That his voice is recorded proposing the bribery to Zelenskyy? I mean... it's all well documented and easily verifiable.

[crickets]

What's the benefit to her for doing so?

YardSale is a wellspring of idiotic takes but this one isn't so absurd. It isn't about benefit but about subservience to their bronzer daddy, for which Republicans have demonstrated such a propensity.

Take Mitch the Bitch.

"There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."

"The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president, and having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth."

"He did not do his job. He didn't take steps so federal law could be faithfully executed and order restored."

"No. Instead, according to public reports, he watched television happily — happily — as the chaos unfolded. Even after it was clear to any reasonable observer that Vice President Pence was in serious danger."

Mind you this from McConnell followed casting a vote for acquittal on articles of impeachment in 2021.

"The Constitution gives us a particular role. This body is not invited to act as the nation's overarching moral tribunal."

Trump would later post this:

"Coco Chow" refers to Elaine Chao, who Trump previously chose as Secretary of Transportation. Chao is from Taiwan.

Mitch the Bitch just endorsed Trump.

The d-bags driving around with the giant american flag pretending to be patriotic, people like @sturk0167, who think they support America and American values, are the ones who you'd think would be the very first to argue that folks who just vote for the best meal ticket (which again, of the two is Biden), are not patriots and don't deserve their government. But those same d-bags don't understand America, they think voting for the best meal ticket somehow IS American patriotism. That's just stupidity really.

Not patriots. Parasites. I was once a ways behind one of those trucks doing about 80 on the freeway when its flag ripped free and drifted into the dirt off the shoulder. I passed it but found my way back around and retrieved it for a proper decommissioning. Having one of those isn't about patriotism but performativity.

 

[Blitz24]

The MAGAdots might care about the country, but Trump doesn't. If Trump does something that's good for America, it is only because it benefits him personally.

 

[Joey D]

Where has this Biden been for the last three years? Last night's State of the Union actually showed him with fire and he directly called out Republicans, especially over the border since they are the ones that put a halt to working towards a resolution. I like how he addressed abortion head-on and brought up the idea of "taking freedoms away". I also like how he called out the tax code for being awful, which it definitely is. With Israel, I think he probably could've criticized them more, but having a temporary pier built to deliver aid to the Palestinians is definitely a step in the right direction. I do like that he promised not to involve our troops in that conflict, too, because no American servicemen or women should die over that conflict. Calling out Trump over NATO was good too because honestly, Russia is the second biggest threat to the world after China and we need NATO. Glad to see representation from Sweden there too.

The universal pre-K thing was good, too, although the states should fund it. Michigan has universal pre-K, and it's fantastic.

I think he fell flat with healthcare, but I'm strongly against any form of government involvement in healthcare since it's almost always universally terrible.

@Danoff you asked what it would take for me to vote for Biden and I said I wasn't sure. But after last night, I think it's continuing to show that same fire and directly calling out Republicans. As of right now, my needle has moved more in the direction of voting for him than not. If he's able to follow through on some of the stuff he talked about too, I could see that needle moving even further in his direction.

If I had to put a line in the sand though, it's going to be over Gaza. If American troops are deployed in anything other than a humanitarian capacity or as a result of the US being attacked directly, it's going to be a no go for me, but other than that I'm going to leave the door open to voting for Biden.

 

[Danoff]

If he's able to follow through on some of the stuff he talked about too, I could see that needle moving even further in his direction.

That's a tough one. No control of the house and the filibuster in the senate. Congress is effectively blocked by republicans, and republicans control the supreme court. He's pretty much alone.

Where has this Biden been for the last three years?

Probably campaign mode vs. reach across the aisle mode.

 

[Joey D]

That's a tough one. No control of the house and the filibuster in the senate. Congress is effectively blocked by republicans, and republicans control the supreme court. He's pretty much alone.

I don't think he needs to accomplish it, but make headway on it. Pinning the failure of the border deal on the Republicans every chance he gets would be a good place to start and something fairly easy to do. If he can show that the Republicans are now the ones causing the immigration issue, I think it would resonate with independent voters. I also think he needs to have his team show way he doesn't have the to power to fix the problem with an executive order. I don't think many Americans understand that and wonder why Biden can't just use his magic pen to make the problem disappear.

He can keep up the aid to Gaza and continue to criticize Israel. I get that he's not going to outright say they're committing genocide because of geopolitical implications, but he can still criticize them to a degree.

He needs to get all the Democrats who are running for Congress this year to adopt a platform and send a unifying message on making headway on abortion rights. I know not every Democrat is going to be onboard with a unified platform but if he can get like 95%-ish of them to agreed to a plan in the next Congress I think it could help him.

I get that there's not much time to accomplish things, but I do think the foundations can be laid to so progress in the next term and that's really what I want to see.

 

[TheHun99]

40 years for the same segment of society to go from straight up Russophobia to literally parroting things that have been investigated by the US security services and found to be Russian propaganda. Astonishing stuff.

It's like all the email scams the Boomers used to fall for, but they've given their vote away rather than just their money.

Sorry for bringing up the Hungarian situation again but Trump himself mentions Orban so often that this doesn't seem to be far fetched, plus the average Trump cult member seems to be extremely similar to to the base of Orban who see him as god.

Anyway, without going into too much detail in the Hungarian history in the last 300ish years there were 3 bigger revolutions if you like, each of them shorter and shorter. Two against the Habsburgs (early 18th century and 1948-49) and one again the Stalinist leadership (1956). In the first 2 cases the Russian Empire came to the help of the Habsburgs to defeat the Hungarians while in 1956 it was the Soviet Union. In the latter case they came into the country temporarily and stayed for 45 years (I suppose it was temporary). Orban was one of the loudest politicians to demand that the Soviet troops should leave asap (I actually lived through that already).

Now, the Fidesz voters support Putin because the majority of the Hungarian media is controlled, completely controlled by Orban and his lieutenant Rogan (basically a modern-day Goebbels), parrots Russian propaganda. Due to this Hungarians, at least the Fidesz voters, have completely forgotten the role Moscow played in our history.

Obviously, the USA didn't have that kind of trauma (I still blame the founding fathers of Hungary that they stopped a bit too early at the end of the 9th century - we wouldn't have had so much trouble if they'd have kept going further to the West) but it's still astonishing to see that so many people eat up the lies that go against the very foundation of this country.

 

[TexRex]

Tucker Carlson: ‘If Biden Wins A Lot Of People Are Going To Jail, Certainly Including Me’

During an appearance of The Adam Carolla Show, Tucker Carlson claimed that he’ll go to jail if Biden wins a second term. Carlson compared his situation to that of the African People’s S…

angrywhitemen.org

Biden's president right now. If there was a will to do this, it would have happened already. Just how stupid are these vermin?

 

[Blitz24]

Tucker Carlson: ‘If Biden Wins A Lot Of People Are Going To Jail, Certainly Including Me’

During an appearance of The Adam Carolla Show, Tucker Carlson claimed that he’ll go to jail if Biden wins a second term. Carlson compared his situation to that of the African People’s S…

angrywhitemen.org

Biden's president right now. If there was a will to do this, it would have happened already. Just how stupid are these vermin?

Is he planning on committing a crime between January 2025 and 2029? Then he might be prophetic. Otherwise he is just accusing Biden of doing what he hopes/dreams Trump will do.

 

[UKMikey]

Conservative pundits like Ari Fleischer and Marc Thiessen are blasting the speech as too energetic and nakedly partisan on Twixter.

If it weren't energetic enough they'd complain about his age, and I'm not sure why he shouldn't call out Trump or Republicans if they're actively working to derail the country.

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Tucker Carlson: ‘If Biden Wins A Lot Of People Are Going To Jail, Certainly Including Me’

During an appearance of The Adam Carolla Show, Tucker Carlson claimed that he’ll go to jail if Biden wins a second term. Carlson compared his situation to that of the African People’s S…

angrywhitemen.org

Biden's president right now. If there was a will to do this, it would have happened already. Just how stupid are these vermin?

 

[TexRex]

Conservative pundits like Ari Fleischer and Marc Thiessen are blasting the speech as too energetic and nakedly partisan on Twixter.

If it weren't energetic enough they'd complain about his age, and I'm not sure why he shouldn't call out Trump or Republicans if they're actively working to derail the country.

Obama wore a helmet while riding a bicycle and it made him look soft. Obama didn't wear a helmet while riding a bicycle and it set a bad example for kids.

 

[McLaren]

I don’t mean this as an insult, but you should try looking at this without partisan glasses on. People’s priorities might surprise you, and who’s to say that their right or wrong with the order in which they place them

Translation: I can’t refute any of what Danoff said, so I’ll continue to play the neutral/high ground route.

You know, you speak with more grace than most conservatives that come through this section, but it’s clear as day you buy into the same ******** news. Imagine thinking Trump has reproductive rights voters, a topic HE himself as told Republicans to back away from bc it costs support.

 

[UKMikey]

Imagine thinking Trump has reproductive rights voters, a topic HE himself as told Republicans to back away from bc it costs support.

I think he said Biden already had those voters so whatever Trump did doesn't matter.

Less defensible is dismissing @Danoff's argument - that if even if people vote with their wallets, Biden is the better meal ticket - as looking through partisan glasses.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The fact that they are talking about Biden being angry rather than sleepy is good for Biden.

 

[Joey D]

Former US Rep. George Santos, expelled from Congress, says he is running again

Santos made the announcement after attending President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address.

apnews.com

 

[TB]

Santos, who had previously said he would not seek elective office again, said on X that he decided to challenge LaLota in New York’s 1st Congressional District

The guy simply can't not lie, can he?

 

[McLaren]

I think he said Biden already had those voters so whatever Trump did doesn't matter.

Less defensible is dismissing @Danoff's argument - that if even if people vote with their wallets, Biden is the better meal ticket - as looking through partisan glasses.

If so, my apologies on that front. I was going through Danoff’s post when I caught it.

 

[UKMikey]

 

[TexRex]

Could make a lemon pucker.

 

[UKMikey]

There's a rat in the kitchen:


The lady she met was Karla Jacinto Romero and her experiences were in 2004-2008 in Mexico according to a link posted on Marsha Blackburn's website.

W was president at the time and Mexico isn't in the US but hey... Biden's America! You go, girl!



The top comment on Katz's video makes an additional point:

 

[Jezza819]

There's a rat in the kitchen:


The lady she met was Karla Jacinto Romero and her experiences were in 2004-2008 in Mexico. W was president at the time and Mexico isn't in the US but hey... Biden's America! You go, girl!



The top comment on Katz's video makes an additional point:

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Britt is a twit. Again this is the kind of idiots that people in this state love to elect. Governor Kay "the world's worst mee-maw" Ivey, Tommy Stuperville. All of them are idiots.

 

[UKMikey]

Britt is a twit. Again this is the kind of idiots that people in this state love to elect. Governor Kay "the world's worst mee-maw" Ivey, Tommy Stuperville. All of them are idiots.

Not forgetting good ol' Judge Roy.

 

[Blitz24]

Britt is a twit. Again this is the kind of idiots that people in this state love to elect. Governor Kay "the world's worst mee-maw" Ivey, Tommy Stuperville. All of them are idiots.

I'm pretty sure electing a weather rock would be less humiliating than having Tommy representing your state.

 

[Jezza819]

Not forgetting good ol' Judge Roy.

We came within a whisker of 'ol Roy winning the 2018 Senate special election. Doug Jones should still be our senator. He wouldn't embarrass the state like Heckle & Jeckle currently do.

But if Trump wins this election then he is going to allow states like Alabama to disqualify opposition votes for no reason at all and no one will be able to stop it. In Trump's world that narrow win in 2018 wouldn't have happened because there's no way Democrats could have gotten that many votes so we're going to disqualify huge numbers of them. The county I live in is the only county in the Northern half of the state that went for Jones. Trump's goons would look at that map and say "something must be wrong for that to be the only blue county so we're not going to count Democratic votes from there".

And the same thing could happen in Georgia. Republicans have been trying to disqualify metro Atlanta for several years now. Trump wins, and that becomes a distinct possibility. Same goes for Detroit and many other metro areas that went Democratic in the last election.

That's what's at stake in this election. Trump will completely destroy our election system and put the power of voting not with the citizens as it should be, but in Republican held state legislatures. Republican legislatures and or Republican Secretaries of State will determine the outcomes of elections, not the people.

So people like @Yard_Sale that are only voting based on what they paid for a gallon of gas back in the day, are overlooking the bigger picture.

 

[Yard_Sale]

We came within a whisker of 'ol Roy winning the 2018 Senate special election. Doug Jones should still be our senator. He wouldn't embarrass the state like Heckle & Jeckle currently do.

But if Trump wins this election then he is going to allow states like Alabama to disqualify opposition votes for no reason at all and no one will be able to stop it. In Trump's world that narrow win in 2018 wouldn't have happened because there's no way Democrats could have gotten that many votes so we're going to disqualify huge numbers of them. The county I live in is the only county in the Northern half of the state that went for Jones. Trump's goons would look at that map and say "something must be wrong for that to be the only blue county so we're not going to count Democratic votes from there".

And the same thing could happen in Georgia. Republicans have been trying to disqualify metro Atlanta for several years now. Trump wins, and that becomes a distinct possibility. Same goes for Detroit and many other metro areas that went Democratic in the last election.

That's what's at stake in this election. Trump will completely destroy our election system and put the power of voting not with the citizens as it should be, but in Republican held state legislatures. Republican legislatures and or Republican Secretaries of State will determine the outcomes of elections, not the people.

So people like @Yard_Sale that are only voting based on what they paid for a gallon of gas back in the day, are overlooking the bigger picture.

What I said that fuel prices are a big concern for a lot of Americans, democrat and Republican….and the non super-partisan type. Which is the majority of voters. And it is a concern for a lot of people whom consume goods and services. How far up and or down an individual’s priority list is up to them.

Fwiw, this is what I paid yesterday (California albeit)

@Danoff, I’ll concede that “partisan” wasn’t the best term to describe the point I was trying to make

 

[Keef]

What I said that fuel prices are a big concern for a lot of Americans, democrat and Republican….and the non super-partisan type. Which is the majority of voters. And it is a concern for a lot of people whom consume goods and services. How far up and or down an individual’s priority list is up to them.

Fwiw, this is what I paid yesterday (California albeit)



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@Danoff, I’ll concede that “partisan” wasn’t the best term to describe the point I was trying to make

With how nice the weather is in LA and San Diago all the time it's kind of surprising y'all haven't become a motorcycle society. Even the sportiest ones are way cheaper and more efficient. Everybody could be riding to work on 300s but nooooo.