2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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What I said that fuel prices are a big concern for a lot of Americans, democrat and Republican….and the non super-partisan type. Which is the majority of voters. And it is a concern for a lot of people whom consume goods and services. How far up and or down an individual’s priority list is up to them.

Fwiw, this is what I paid yesterday (California albeit)



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@Danoff, I’ll concede that “partisan” wasn’t the best term to describe the point I was trying to make

Fuel prices, particularly in CA, are not the responsibility of the president. Voters are not so stupid that they can't understand this, and apologizing for that is counterproductive. It's 2024, voters should be able to figure this out. The people complaining about gas prices as a reason to vote for someone are using it as an excuse to cover for something else.
 
With how nice the weather is in LA and San Diago all the time it's kind of surprising y'all haven't become a motorcycle society. Even the sportiest ones are way cheaper and more efficient. Everybody could be riding to work on 300s but nooooo.

I’m a motorcycle guy…on dirt 😂


My view over the great Mohaine desert yesterday with Mexico off in the distance.


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A lot of people ride in California, but not a lot of people commute with them. In California many residents tend to commute a considerable distance to work. Long time in the saddle amongst crazy drivers and crazy traffic. Much more convenient and safer to just be in a vehicle
 
Fuel prices, particularly in CA, are not the responsibility of the president. Voters are not so stupid that they can't understand this, and apologizing for that is counterproductive. It's 2024, voters should be able to figure this out. The people complaining about gas prices as a reason to vote for someone are using it as an excuse to cover for something else.
And Trump becoming president wouldn't significantly lower fuel prices (if it did at all). California's prices will always be higher than a majority of the country.
 
What I said that fuel prices are a big concern for a lot of Americans, democrat and Republican….and the non super-partisan type. Which is the majority of voters. And it is a concern for a lot of people whom consume goods and services. How far up and or down an individual’s priority list is up to them.

Fwiw, this is what I paid yesterday (California albeit)



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@Danoff, I’ll concede that “partisan” wasn’t the best term to describe the point I was trying to make
And what I'm telling you is that seeing our form of government that has served us well for nearly 248 years now disappear into a dictatorship far outweighs any perceived economic gains or loses that you've been told over and over again has nothing to do with who is in the White House.
 
And what I'm telling you is that seeing our form of government that has served us well for nearly 248 years now disappear into a dictatorship far outweighs any perceived economic gains or loses that you've been told over and over again has nothing to do with who is in the White House.


Hey man, take it easy. Have some ice cream. You don’t have to tell me anything. Most likely I won’t vote (or I’ll write in) this presidential election once again because;

A.) my vote is already decided for me in California

B.) I take local and state politics much more seriously, because they have a much larger of a direct impact on my life.

Besides, I do my best to see all sides of the issues (apparently to my detriment as suggested by some in this forum 🙄)



But if you want to go on an one-man GT Planet crusade, you got my support.

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I do my best to see all sides of the issues

That's always important and something sorely missed among many. The particular side of the issue that you're seeing right now is one in which people blame the president for gas prices despite the widespread and easily obtainable information that suggests not only that the president can't really control gas prices but that it would be a bad idea to try. It's fine to see that side of the issue, but understanding it does not mean it's valid. The right response is to try to educate, which is why that keeps happening to you when you bring it up.
 
It's not your grammar I'm questioning but your assessment of the level of isolation on this thread for @Jezza819's posts. A number of people have made the same points repeatedly.
No really, I understand it. Democrats are failing on their messaging, presumably not to draw too much attention from the green masses and lose votes. They have to walk the political tightrope


Covid influenced oil prices - yes, I inow

Demand went up post Covid - yup

Russia-Ukraine conflict. Yes, I know


Biden however, did have control over the mixed signals he gave the energy sector in the beginning/middle of his term in regards to policy, causing investors to pull out. And although I agree with what he did - he also put sanctions on Russian oil imports that drove up costs. We just started ramping up exportations to Europe last June I think, to help them out.

The pricing of oil in the current is pretty complicated and based on current projections and past various issues.
 
Fuel prices, particularly in CA, are not the responsibility of the president. Voters are not so stupid that they can't understand this, and apologizing for that is counterproductive. It's 2024, voters should be able to figure this out. The people complaining about gas prices as a reason to vote for someone are using it as an excuse to cover for something else.
Unfortunately, a large number of voters are that stupid. I'm unsure if you've ever encountered the Biden pointing sticker on gas pumps that says "I did that" but they are everywhere in Northern Michigan. They were everywhere in Utah too. I've yet to talk to a Republican that doesn't cite gas prices as one of the reasons Biden is terrible too and they almost always blame it on the Keystone pipeline being shut down. Many people honestly think that if Trump is elected, we're going to have fuel prices back below $1 a gallon again like they were during COVID when no one was using any kind of fuel at all. This is a common theme on the 4Runner groups I'm apart of when someone talks about how their SUV that was effectively designed in the 90s gets 12 mpg because they lifted it, put 35's on it, and drive around with a rooftop tent.
 
I know, but it's also not to be tolerated, encouraged, or considered legitimate.
I agree, but unfortunately, that's what politicians are up against, and they lean into it. Many people who are selecting the next president care about fuel prices and inflation, but they don't understand that the president only has a minor role to play in either of those things. Even the gas station lobby seems to get this and brings up a good point, low fuel prices are bad because it's the indicator the economy is failing.

Also, the people who think Trump will return fuel prices to sub $1 a gallon seem to completely forget that when fuel was that cheap, it was due to a lack of demand, not because the president pushed a button. But I can't almost be assured Trump is spouting off nonsense how fuel was super cheap when he was president.

This is also why I think Democrats will have problems in November. The average voter isn't exactly smart and, at best, has an 8th-grade understanding of the government. They're going to go to the polls and say "I was better off under Trump than Biden" and vote that way. Never mind that very little happened under Trump that contributed to the economy or fuel prices and that we all had money because we couldn't travel or do anything other than sit at home for half of his presidency. I get that it shouldn't be tolerated or encouraged, but that's just how people are going to vote. Or they're going to lean into the whole Christian thing and completely ignore that Trump isn't Christian but was clearly sent by God because he says he wants to outlaw abortion.
 
This is also why I think Democrats will have problems in November. The average voter isn't exactly smart and, at best, has an 8th-grade understanding of the government. They're going to go to the polls and say "I was better off under Trump than Biden" and vote that way. Never mind that very little happened under Trump that contributed to the economy or fuel prices and that we all had money because we couldn't travel or do anything other than sit at home for half of his presidency. I get that it shouldn't be tolerated or encouraged, but that's just how people are going to vote. Or they're going to lean into the whole Christian thing and completely ignore that Trump isn't Christian but was clearly sent by God because he says he wants to outlaw abortion.
If that's a foregone conclusion, what are we talking about here then? People are too stupid to have a functioning government, oh well, I guess America is screwed by stupidity. Conversation closed.

I don't believe it btw. I think these people just make lazy comments to rationalize their decisions. It's an excuse that they find more palatable than the truth.
 
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If that's a foregone conclusion, what are we talking about here then? People are too stupid to have a functioning government, oh well, I guess America is screwed by stupidity. Conversation closed.

I don't believe it btw. I think these people just make lazy comments to rationalize their decisions. It's an excuse that they find more palatable than the truth.
I don't know, I think you're giving people too much credit. Believers of QAnon vote, people who think the government is injecting us with microchips in COVID vaccines vote, people who think Donald Trump won the election in 2020 vote. While the right to have a free election is a great right to have, there are negatives to it, which is that some of the absolute stupidest people can and do vote. Or better yet, think of all the people who think being banned from Xitter violates their freedom of speech; this is the understanding that a not-so-insignificant amount of voters have of the Constitution.

All I'm saying is that voters should understand this, and I hope a major party like the Democrats does, too.

As for people being too stupid for having a functioning government, you've seen our government right? We have people like MTG who get support and voted in. Honestly, I'm surprised anything gets done most of the time.
 
There's a rat in the kitchen:


The lady she met was Karla Jacinto Romero and her experiences were in 2004-2008 in Mexico according to a link posted on Marsha Blackburn's website.

W was president at the time and Mexico isn't in the US but hey... Biden's America! You go, girl!



The top comment on Katz's video makes an additional point:

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She's going with the "people are trying to silence me" line. When you're caught in a lie and you're MAGA, just power through and your idiot followers won't question your bs because they mindlessly hate Biden so much. We're in a post-shame landscape.

Note that TikTok helped Biden out here but he still wants to help ban it if the bill goes through.
 
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Thankfully, those are all (for the most part) the same people, not three distinct groups.
Unfortunately, the COVID-19 vaccine deniers are starting to spread. There are now a decent number of very progressive people who believe it's a grand conspiracy, too. Granted, it's for different reasons, though. They believe that the COVID-19 vaccine was created to give pharmaceutical makers increased profits and to allow the rich to control the poor. So, while it's not about microchips and 5G, it still aligns with the whole control thing.

It seems like every day, people stray further and further from medical science...or at least until they need medical science because they're dying.
 
You not voting at all means +1 for everything you didnt want to vote for at all.


Didn’t specify clearly. Meant I won’t vote for (or I’ll write in a presidential candidate). I vote state and local propositions and races that I care and am educated about.

Besides, California is so overwhelmingly Democrat, all of our delegates will go to Biden
 
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Note that TikTok helped Biden out here but he still wants to help ban it if the bill goes through.
TikTok didn't do anything, a user of TikTok did. They didn't have to use TikTok to get that message out either, they had a lot of other choices. Chinese datamining rules and culture are fundamentally untrustworthy. I realize places like Europe and Australia are basically courting China to build military bases on their land but if they want to deal with a fundamentally lawless government then that's their problem.
 
TikTok didn't do anything, a user of TikTok did. They didn't have to use TikTok to get that message out either, they had a lot of other choices.
He probably wanted to use the channel that gave him the most exposure.
 
He probably wanted to use the channel that gave him the most exposure.
And the message probably did reach the people who need to see it the most, young people who don't pay attention to squat. But TikTok being so popular with them is merely a consequence of its addictive design, as those kids are doing anything in their power to escape this dreadful reality we live in. Perhaps we just shold let it all play out.
 
Didn’t specify clearly. Meant I won’t vote for (or I’ll write in a presidential candidate). I vote state and local propositions and races that I care and am educated about.

Besides, California is so overwhelmingly Democrat, all of our delegates will go to Biden
And Texas will go to Trump. I’m still going to vote Biden bc my vote at least contributes to a more purple & balanced state.
 
And Texas will go to Trump. I’m still going to vote Biden bc my vote at least contributes to a more purple & balanced state.
Odds are more than half of the states are spoken for, for one candidate or the other. I doubt any of the NYC metro area states will go for Trump much as I doubt Idaho, Montana or North Dakota will go for Biden.
 
So which way will the swing states go this time? Ohio, Arizona and Georgia are of particular interest.
 
So which way will the swing states go this time? Ohio, Arizona and Georgia are of particular interest.
I also wonder about PA (where I live). The rural part is red, Philly and Pittsburg are deep blue and the suburbs - from what I've seen so far - seem to be more blue than red, as well. Although the gubernatorial and secretary of state elections were pretty clear wins, the state senate is still has GOP majority and the state house has a very slim Democratic majority. I wouldn't be sure to call PA for Biden at the moment.
 
Earlier I asked about changing registration to vote against Trump in the GOP primary. The PA primary is scheduled on April 23 but there are only Trump and Biden on the ballot, I guess I will skip my first presidential primary.
 
Earlier I asked about changing registration to vote against Trump in the GOP primary. The PA primary is scheduled on April 23 but there are only Trump and Biden on the ballot, I guess I will skip my first presidential primary.
You should look at a sample ballot to see if there's anything else you might need to vote for on it. During the primary for me, we have a school mileage up for a vote as well. Sometimes there are other elected officials going through the primary process, so it's worth checking it out.
 
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