2024 US Presidential Election Thread
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You speak as if Ukraine is openly committing terrorism like the hospital bombers, as opposed to striking valid military targets and having unintentional civilian casualties take place due to your orcs pulling a Hamas and casually mingling amongst said civilians. Most likely on purpose as it makes for propaganda.
"I don't have time to read material important to the discussion, so I'm going to reduce the 1000 pages in question to a really basic level and declare victory in this argument."
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Ukraine daily shelling Belgorod with unguided rocket fire of MRS Vampire, its warcrime to use it against city with civilians. Its act of terror.
Like kindergarten or ice rink? You can't hit anything precise with unguided missiles from 40km.
Heck is that?
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Again, why do the orcs have a military presence in such a civilian concentration? I know the basic mobik will eat up any and all propaganda about the gay Nazi Jewish Islamist terrorists and their space lasers, but one would expect actual military commanders to have enough awareness to know Ukraine would pose zero threat to Belgorod - not with the Western pressure to keep things clean - if it wasn't being used as a base to attack it from.
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Funny you should say that, because (despite attempts to claim otherwise) both Trump and Vance have not only strong ties to The Heritage nutter behind Project 2025, but have both voices support for policies proposed within it.
If you don't think it forms the basis for Trump and the GOP if they win, then quite frankly you've not been paying attention.
JD Vance Is The GOP’s Next-Gen Authoritarian
If Monday's RNC is any indication, Vance will have the support of Republicans to make his authoritarian vision a reality.
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And if that is indeed the case, they don't need to worry about Trump dying in office because Trump Jr. (unofficial) will be there to immediately be the puppet of Leonard Leo.Funny you should say that, because (despite attempts to claim otherwise) both Trump and Vance have not only strong ties to The Heritage nutter behind Project 2025, but have both voices support for policies proposed within it.
If you don't think it forms the basis for Trump and the GOP if they win, then quite frankly you've not been paying attention.
JD Vance Is The GOP’s Next-Gen Authoritarian
If Monday's RNC is any indication, Vance will have the support of Republicans to make his authoritarian vision a reality.www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
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Point taken, the West needs to provide better and more accurate missiles.
One detail I should point out though is that here in the free world, reports have stated that it's more often than not your boys doing the bombing of that city in particular.
And while this point comes a bit late in comparison, when really thinking hard about it, historical placement of Soviet bases still doesn't excuse using that specific city as a base of operations for invaders right now if you want the locals to not be endangered. That's what all the barren countryside elsewhere along the border should be for, though let's not pretend your army actually cares, OK?
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If surviving the attempt on his life hasn't changed Trump's polling numbers, electing J.D. Vance won't do a thing. In fact, he's already being attacked from within' Trump's own far-right voting base.
Who do you think formed a close relationship with Vance & encouraged his father to pick him?
You think they wrote a 1,000 pages of fascist, religious nationalist fantasies & didn't include how they plan to make it work? Lol....
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Yeap and investigate usage of their weaponry.
International law have 0 problems with HIMARS or ATACMS hitting army depot or base in enemy city. Even casualties when after this missile being down by AA is ok, in most cases. But, this ain't what happens most of the time in Belgorod.
Its not topic we are talking about. RF is war criminal state, its obvious. It doesn't mean someone has right to shell city with unguided missiles.
There couldn't be any plan that would convert 300y + democracy into autocracy in 4 years without coup. Its impossible even for younger democracies and take waaay more.
Example, maybe? Ultra left part of Democratic party wants and have plans to ultimately ban firearms, it doesn't mean Biden, as a part of Dems, would do it.
As we see in case of modern Italy, even actual fascist as Prime minister doesn't automatically convert country into autocracy. If you country choosing fascists as next leader, you should think about what you current government doing that makes citizens to vote this way, not convince them that fascists in rule would lead to immediate disaster and grandpa doesn't have dementia.
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Unless you pack the courts with judges who will rule unjust policy in your favor.
I remind you there's such a huge controversy surrounding the Supreme Court. It is not bad enough that it overturned a 50-year ruling on Roe v Wade (when 2 of the judges who voted to overturn it initially said they would not touch it during their confirmations) in favor of state's rights per Conservative arguments, & it is not bad enough that Conservatives are wanting to walk that back, believing state's rights don't actually matter regarding abortion.
What is truly concerning is what conservative justice Clarence Thomas wrote after voting to overturn Roe v Wade: "the Roe decision should prompt the court to reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents. And he named the three landmark decisions that established those rights."
Those 3 decisions are:
- The right to privacy, including a right to contraceptives. Established in Griswold v. Connecticut (1965).
- The right to privacy with regard to private sexual acts. Established in Lawrence v. Texas (2003).
- The right to marry an individual of the same sex. Established in Obergefell v. Hodges (2015).
Would there a coup? Maybe, hopefully if it gets to such a point it's necessary. But, one can just briefly look back on Hitler's inauguration as Chancellor in 1933 to being given full power without Parliament 2 months later to abusing such power that he would be able to have a law passed in 1934 combining Chancellor & President just to keep a new President from being elected that could remove him. Not to say this would be Trump's route, but to highlight how quickly things can change given what history has taught us.
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Except I never called anyone Hitler. I used his quick rise to power as a reference point in how quickly a government can change.
Godwin's law - Wikipedia
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But, you have perfectly highlighted that no one on this forum should give an ounce of thought to your posts anymore.
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Coups were the 'go to' instruments for autocracy until the 1990's or something. After that, we do see more and more democracies glide into an autocracy. Venezuela, Cambodia, Georgia, Hungary, Nicaragua, Peru, Phillipines, Russia, Sri Lanka, Turkey are all examples where the chosen autocrats still hold a small layer of democracy while hollowing it out from inside. Yes, they have newspapers but more and more are under control of the regime and independent papers are being opposed. Yes, citizens can be vocal but will have to watch their back for any repercussions. Its even more dangerous than a coup: people will believe they live in a democracy.
These patterns have been described a lot (I'd recommend 'How Democracies Die' by Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt) and they warn that we should never react like this when such patterns occur in democracies like USA. They want you to think they can't overturn it in 4 years or they need a coup, so you lower your guard.
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Democratic backsliding takes many forms and the Republican Party have been rigging the system in the USA in their favour over decades; slowly, surreptitiously, some things obviously, other things less so.
No, it doesn't "just" happen in four years. But the foundations and groundwork go back much longer.
No, it doesn't "just" happen in four years. But the foundations and groundwork go back much longer.
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There are nazi(Rusich regiment fighting against Ukraine or RDK against RF) and Hitler, its kinda different things. And comparison with Hitler's Germany killing discussion.
Twitter files? Every political force in power would try to corrupt institutes to stay in power.
And none of those had 300y+ democracy experience or was prosperous world leader. Half of them never was a stable democracies or even democracies at all(RF for example). Even in that conditions transformation taken more than 4 years.
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