2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[McLaren]

I thought we were holding on to the best undiscovered democrat governor here in Colorado with Polis. I might be wrong on that.

This is the video I first saw that highlighted him & read that he had a habit of doing these.

 

[Jezza819]

Here we go. The Steal starts up.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/georgia-republican-election-rules-hand-count/index.html

 

[UKMikey]

Calvinball...


Trump walking off stage:

Later:

 

[Danoff]

Calvinball...


Trump walking off stage:

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Two women just died in Georgia, and not because they were far along. One didn't even need an abortion, she needed a D&C, the embryo was dead. The second was told that she might die if she got pregnant, she got pregnant, and as soon as she realized it she tried an abortion on her own and died. Both of those were entirely predictable events given the abortion ban.

I guess Trump just wants to make stuff up and hope that people aren't reading these stories.

Edit:

Also Roe didn't even prevent states from banning late term abortions. That's just made up also.

 

[McLaren]

Two women just died in Georgia, and not because they were far along. One didn't even need an abortion, she needed a D&C, the embryo was dead. The second was told that she might die if she got pregnant, she got pregnant, and as soon as she realized it she tried an abortion on her own and died. Both of those were entirely predictable events given the abortion ban.

I guess Trump just wants to make stuff up and hope that people aren't reading these stories.

Edit:

Also Roe didn't even prevent states from banning late term abortions. That's just made up also.

Every bit of his statements on abortion is made up. This guy openly says, "legal scholars, men, women, Republicans, Democrats, everyone says it should be with the states". Just absolute ignorance b/c abortion is overwhelmingly supported across the country whether it's gender, age, race, political party; only hard line Republicans do not support it whilst moderate Republicans favor it 67%.

The line, "You will no longer be thinking about it b/c it's with the states" completely misses the fact that that is exactly why everyone thinks about it b/c certain states are not only flat out banning it, but wanting anyone associated criminalized as well.

 

[Danoff]

Every bit of his statements on abortion is made up. This guy openly says, "legal scholars, men, women, Republicans, Democrats, everyone says it should be with the states". Just absolute ignorance b/c abortion is overwhelmingly supported across the country whether it's gender, age, race, political party; only hard line Republicans do not support it whilst moderate Republicans favor it 67%.

The line, "You will no longer be thinking about it b/c it's with the states" completely misses the fact that that is exactly why everyone thinks about it b/c certain states are not only flat out banning it, but wanting anyone associated criminalized as well.

These two women's deaths are making national headlines and Trump's just... acting like it's not. I guess some of his followers really are that insulated.

 

[TexRex]

AT A LEVEL NEVER SEEN BEFORE

 

[McLaren]

These two women's deaths are making national headlines and Trump's just... acting like it's not. I guess some of his followers really are that insulated.

Cult 45, bro. His word is the only one that matters to them, no matter how stupid.

 

[Tornado]

 

[UKMikey]

US election: Donald Trump turns down second TV debate with Kamala Harris

Kamala Harris had "gladly" accepted CNN's invitation to debate two weeks before the presidential election.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Danoff]

The whole segment is good, but I've timecoded Seth's segment to a part where JD Vance is doing some amazing things.

Question: "Do you not also have a job to fact check them first?"
Vance: "Well I think the media has a job to fact check the residents of springfield, not lie about them"

This is Vance completing the get-out-of-truth-free circular reasoning. It's not Vance's job to tell the truth, it's the media's. Vance, I have a follow-up question, should we listen to the media? What would any of those audience members tell me if I asked them if I should listen to the media?

As an aside, who even is the media anymore, definitely not Fox according to these people.

This is how you can tell this is a religion. These people are cheering that the only people they're supposed to listen to are openly telling them they're lying and it's not their job to do otherwise. They WANT to be lied to, and they want to be given permission to believe those lies.

Right after that, Vance does another thing that's amazing. He says even though the law says these Hatian immigrants are here legally, the law is illegal. This again circular reasoning. The whole problem is that they're "illegal" immigrants. When it's pointed out that that's not technically true, the definition of "illegal" they're using is revealed to not be the actual definition of illegal. It's something else. Illegal means it's something they don't like, and it's being used to reclassify legal immigrants as illegal ones based on whether anyone likes them. Since everyone aside from natives in the US ultimately can trace their lineage (and yes these people care about lineage) back to immigrants, that means anyone and everyone here is only ok to be here as long as MAGA likes them. Once again, this is straight up cult behavior.

I think it's interesting that Vance is getting better at stoking the cult.

 

[McLaren]

Well I think the media has a job to fact check the residents of springfield, not lie about them

The right-wing media Vance? B/c that's whose been pushing said lies.

But, no JD, it is your job as a politician to verify as well.

 

[UKMikey]

Election interference:

 

[Keef]

So I get that, but it's also just so friggin strange to see a VP candidate talk about how to deal with old rubber seals or hold up an air filter. Granted, it's less strange than a convicted felon running for president, but this is still really strange to me. That might be more about Tim Walz than anything else.

It is strange but only because it never used to be that way. We saw Obama in business-casual settings and dress all the time but Walz is literally taking us to a place we go all the time, our driveways. He is a person after all, and apparently a nerdy old car guy like the ones who show up to C&C an hour before the show actually starts. We should be seeing these candidates being actual people so we can get a sense of who they are, but for whatever reason they always gotta wear suits and for some reason nobody has ever realized that wearing suits to work isn't relateable to 90% of Americans. Nobody does that. I've been wearing a tie with my work uniform for over two years now and it still gives me the ick. This tie is not who I am, it's not where I'm from, and it's not who you're going to chat with at the bar. The tie is literally just a formality, as was every suit worn by whatever unrelatable politician you can think of. The suit is fake, their professional personalities are fake, their smiles are fake, everything is all about professional appearances.

The vast majority of Americans know that professional appearances are ********. Like Mike Epps said, politicians act totally different when they're by themselves, don't they? If they want people to relate to them they need to act like people, not political robots.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I've been wearing a tie with my work uniform for over two years now and it still gives me the ick. This tie is not who I am, it's not where I'm from, and it's not who you're going to chat with at the bar. The tie is literally just a formality, as was every suit worn by whatever unrelatable politician you can think of. The suit is fake, their professional personalities are fake, their smiles are fake, everything is all about professional appearances.

You should try jorts and free your mind.

 

[Danoff]

This looks like good news. Nebraska appears to continue to offer Harris that 1 EV that she may need.

Key Nebraska Republican opposes changing how the state awards electoral votes, blocking Trump push

A pivotal state senator said he opposed changing Nebraska's electoral votes to winner-take-all before the election. The bill's Republican sponsor said he plans to try again next year.

www.nbcnews.com

Specifically this matters if Harris wins Michigan and Pennsylvania but loses North Carolina, Georgia (which nobody will win because hand counting), Nevada, and Arizona.

 

[UKMikey]

Specifically this matters if Harris wins Michigan and Pennsylvania but loses North Carolina, Georgia (which nobody will win because hand counting), Nevada, and Arizona.

I heard she also needs to win Wisconsin as well in this scenario if the other swing states vote for Trump.

 

[Danoff]

I heard she also needs to win Wisconsin as well in this scenario if the other swing states vote for Trump.

Yea, I had bookmarked Wisconsin for her in that breakdown. Although it looks like since last time I checked Wisconsin and Michigan have flipped in terms of which was more of a swing state, so maybe I should have stated it the other way around. Regardless, if she takes Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Trump can have the rest provided that Nebraska splits theirs. So there was some hand wringing over whether Nebraska would change the rules at the last second.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Yea, I had bookmarked Wisconsin for her in that breakdown. Although it looks like since last time I checked Wisconsin and Michigan have flipped in terms of which was more of a swing state, so maybe I should have stated it the other way around. Regardless, if she takes Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Trump can have the rest provided that Nebraska splits theirs. So there was some hand wringing over whether Nebraska would change the rules at the last second.

I think Nebraska knows....or should know...that if they give up their split EC vote, nobody from either party will ever stop to campaign or care about their state again.

 

[Liquid]

Who would generally take the state if it was winner-takes-all?

 

[Danoff]

I think Nebraska knows....or should know...that if they give up their split EC vote, nobody from either party will ever stop to campaign or care about their state again.

Meh, nobody campaigns there now do they?

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Who would generally take the state if it was winner-takes-all?

Nebraska would be a solid R on the map, within the sea of red 'muricah

@Danoff - I think there is some token interest shown...which is more than none at all.

 

[Danoff]

Nebraska would be a solid R on the map.

@Danoff - I think there is some token interest shown...which is more than none at all.

Do states actually want campaigning? I feel like they should all split their EC votes just to avoid campaigning and get us closer to a popular vote. Maybe California, Texas, NY, and Florida could come to an arrangement to split EC votes. Pennsylvania certainly must be absolutely sick of it this year and ready to split theirs.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

California, Texas, NY, and Florida could come to an arrangement

 

[Duke]

Do states actually want campaigning? I feel like they should all split their EC votes just to avoid campaigning and get us closer to a popular vote. Maybe California, Texas, NY, and Florida could come to an arrangement to split EC votes. Pennsylvania certainly must be absolutely sick of it this year and ready to split theirs.

Texas and Florida would die before they'd give up their ability to jam their majority religious conservatism down their minority voters' throats.

 

[Liquid]

Those states that are definitely blue and definitely red just mean that so much of the country doesn't matter when it comes to campaigning. By coincidence, I happened to be reading about the 1960 election earlier today and it stood out that Richard Nixon spent time and resources (read: wasted time and resources) campaigning in all fifty states whereas John Kennedy focused almost exclusively on swing states. Considering that Nixon had good cause to cry foul on Democratic voter fraud in Michigan and Texas, two states which would have given him the Presidency had he won them, had he similarly focused just on swing states he might have done better in those now-crucial few states that actually matter. A bit ironic that the guy who tries to reach everyone gets it "wrong" and the guy who games the system gets it "right".

And I always love resharing this image:

The final five weeks of the 2004 election; personal appearances and millions of dollars spent on ad campaigns.

Look how much of the country just doesn't matter.

 

[Duke]

It's not exactly that it doesn't matter.

It's just that a lot of those bigger EV states are so firmly entrenched in one party or the other that it's nearly pointless for either side to give them more than lip service.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Those states that are definitely blue and definitely red just mean that so much of the country doesn't matter when it comes to campaigning. By coincidence, I happened to be reading about the 1960 election earlier today and it stood out that Richard Nixon spent time and resources (read: wasted time and resources) campaigning in all fifty states whereas John Kennedy focused almost exclusively on swing states. Considering that Nixon had good cause to cry foul on Democratic voter fraud in Michigan and Texas, two states which would have given him the Presidency had he won them, had he similarly focused just on swing states he might have done better in those now-crucial few states that actually matter. A bit ironic that the guy who tries to reach everyone gets it "wrong" and the guy who games the system gets it "right".

And I always love resharing this image:

The final five weeks of the 2004 election; personal appearances and millions of dollars spent on ad campaigns.

Look how much of the country just doesn't matter.

Did Maine have split EC in 2004? If so, it gives credence to the idea that it attracts some attention whereas states that don't have split EC, and aren't competitive, don't.

Slightly on topic - this is my favorite election map (from 2020). There is a dot for each vote, which illustrates the result a lot better than simply coloring the whole state or even the whole precinct in the color of the winner. Shows you how empty the west is and the stark urban-rural divide.

 

[Blitz24]

Did Maine have split EC in 2004? If so, it gives credence to the idea that it attracts some attention whereas states that don't have split EC, and aren't competitive, don't.

Slightly on topic - this is my favorite election map (from 2020). There is a dot for each vote, which illustrates the result a lot better than simply coloring the whole state or even the whole precinct in the color of the winner. Shows you how empty the west is and the stark urban-rural divide.

Alaska and Hawaii are so empty they don't even get outlines.

 

[Danoff]

Did Maine have split EC in 2004? If so, it gives credence to the idea that it attracts some attention whereas states that don't have split EC, and aren't competitive, don't.

A split EC means that the upside for any candidate is on the order of 1 EV. Especially these days. A split EV state could never attract the kind of attention that Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Nevada, and Arizona currently get.

But I see that as a bad thing.