2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Yard_Sale]

The uninteresting and predictable miss of this thread isn’t the election loss due too inflation - but the massive cultural shift in politics.

Progressive, woke politics, and pop culture…lost. In America



I could tell you why. But then I’d just be repeating the key points of previous posts I’ve made between two threads over the course of a year or more.




The majority here will “point and laugh” - but this election result was a very loud answer from the blue collar, and very-middle-class-not-necessarily-college-educated folks of this country


As I’ve outlined before. The “working” illegals of this country aren’t going anywhere. We need them. Just like we needed the blacks. Just like we needed the Chinese, the Mexicans and my Irish relatives. It doesn’t justify our, or the first worlds humanitarian malfeasance - but nothing ever will. Neither will the drug, sex, and human trafficking that the Biden/harris/Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton administrations that preceded it did either.

Cottage industries always manifest when given the opportunity 🙄



As someone who’s frequently in Mexico - they want Trump back in office as much as Republicans do. They’re not happy with Central Americans invading their country either - as I’ve outlined previously how black and brown neighborhoods in Los Angeles were beginning to get frustrated with Central Americans being forced into their neighborhoods. It’s only gotten worse




My first time to PR was in 2005 on a surf trip. I was a wet-behind-the-ears-liberal back then. And even being a hard-nosed blue collar guy (and even though I quickly became a conservative by my mid 20’s…I’m proud of the person I was, and the values I had back then).
…I was shocked how much trash there was - even in the rural areas. I’ve been back a half dozen times since then, and it’s only got worse. So has the Philippines. So has Indonesia. So has Mexico. So has Guatemala. So has Costa Rica. So has Nicaragua. So has Columbia. So has Panama. So has Brazil. So has Taiwan. So has Ecuador. So has Cuba. So has Venezuela - pretty much any third world country I’ve surfed in.

Like red neck and intellectual jokes, 3rd world stereotypes don’t manifest out of thin air. And if you’ve ever met and spent considerable time with these people - they’re some of the most hilarious, humble, and self-deprecating people you’ve ever met - like most of the rural world. I meet fellow rednecks and cowboys all over the world, and in the end, we’re all the same 😎

There’s a reason why the black, brown, yellow, and white trash gave a big middle finger to the machine this election.

And it’s the same reason a lot of us “trash” live in Danoff’s neighborhood. We’re not dummies. And the many of us whom have made it. We want the same for our fellow working man who’s willing to put in the effort, without a handout

And as per usual, given that this thread is chalk-full of mostly American
and blue collar workers, I’m sure this post will be immortalized with 👍🏼 and virtual high 5’s







But seriously, jokes aside -because everyone that participates in here IS A GOOD PERSON



… no matter which side of the Mason-Dixon Line you stand on, America is the best country in the world. No matter who’s team is in charge, I’ll always be proud to be an American












Everything will be fine.


God bless 🇺🇸

 

[Keef]

Lord, have us mercy. The end of the segment.

Things like voting and graduating high school are the absolute bare minimum of being a human citizen in America these days. If a person can't do those things...that's their freedom, but they will not get an ounce of respect from me until they do something right.

 

[HenrySwanson]

That’s so dumb that it’s so funny that it’s not even funny anymore.

How did we end up here, really? Can it be traced back to 80’s yuppie culture? Or earlier? Later? Or is woke culture and exaggerated political correctness to blame?

I'd say it's (that being his views, not the election result) a reaction to progressive views over the past decades.

Democrats undermined by radical agenda

If Kamala Harris loses, she can reflect on her party’s mania for progressive ideas on immigration, policing and race

www.thetimes.com

Example from the article:

Promoting lax law enforcement and tolerance of social disorder was another terrible idea and voters hate it too. In the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd in 2020, the climate for police and criminal justice reform was highly favourable. But Democrats blew the opportunity by allowing the party to be associated with unpopular slogans like “defund the police” that did not appear to take public safety concerns seriously. Democratic non-white and working-class voters tend to live in areas that have more crime and are therefore unlikely to look kindly on any approach that threatens public safety.

A survey conducted for my new report with Yuval Levin, Politics Without Winners: Can Either Party Build a Majority Coalition?, confirmed the strength of these sentiments. By 73 to 25 per cent, voters backed keeping police budgets whole in the interests of public safety over reducing them and transferring money to social services.

Among non-white working-class voters there was a 30-point margin against reducing police budgets, which ballooned to 50 points among moderate to conservative working-class non-whites, the overwhelming majority of this demographic. By contrast, white college-grad liberals favoured reducing police budgets by 20 points. That tells you a lot.

The Overton window has been yanked so far to the right (in the UK and US at least) that what Tate said would now be fringe rather than extreme in some quarters.

It's awful, and I keep correcting my student who uses that word and other derogatory phrases. However, what was limited to the playground is becoming more prominent thanks to the influence and exposure of nasty circles of society.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I ran some calculations on the states with less than 97% of the votes in. Assuming the proportions remain the same for the remainder of the votes, it will be Harris at ~75.4M and Trump at ~78.1M with a total of 153.5M between the two. That's 2M less overall than the 2020 election for the major parties with a decrease of 7.2% for blue votes and increase of 5.2% for red votes.

 

[Fezzik]

50.7% at the moment. Only barely half of those that bothered to vote have gone nuts. It’s better than we did with Brexit.

 

[UKMikey]

You've got to be carefully taught.


In the following post somebody points out that while most Americans in this survey don't believe gender dysphoria is a thing - although this figure is slowly coming down over time - a majority polled support laws designed to protect transgender rights, or at least they did two years ago. These results suggest to me that the culture war isn't a front-and-centre concern in the minds of the majority of people polled.

Americans’ Complex Views on Gender Identity and Transgender Issues

Most favor protecting trans people from discrimination, but fewer support policies related to medical care for gender transitions; many are uneasy with the pace of change on trans issues.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[HenrySwanson]

These results suggest to me that the culture war isn't a front-and-centre concern in the minds of the majority of people polled.

Americans’ Complex Views on Gender Identity and Transgender Issues

Most favor protecting trans people from discrimination, but fewer support policies related to medical care for gender transitions; many are uneasy with the pace of change on trans issues.

www.pewresearch.org

Not American but it's probable that it wasn't a big reason that it got people out to vote. This seems to back that theory up:

NBC News Exit Poll: Voters express deep concern about America's democracy and economy

Women are twice as likely as men to rank abortion as their top issue, according to preliminary results from the national survey.

www.nbcnews.com

Harris's campaign should have focused on the economy and immigration and used the tactics employed by Goebbels the Right to gain such a strong hold on the culture wars. However, truth and decency limited them, so it would have taken something creative to engage with voters susceptible to changing course.

 

[UKMikey]

As I understand it the Harris campaign did try to focus on the economy at least. Her plan to fight price gouging by corporations sounds to me like it would've done a lot more to reduce prices than Trump's concept of an idea to raise money by pushing them up further with tariffs.

But people didn't listen.

She also discussed immigration at length on her 60 Minutes interview and elsewhere. When the subject came up during her presidential debate Trump pivoted to ranting about Haitians eating pet cats and dogs.

Kamala Harris defends record on immigration: "Solutions are at hand"

Republicans have pounded Vice President Kamala Harris on immigration. She's announced plans to enact tougher border restrictions and has called on Congress to act on long-term solutions.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[05XR8]

So much going on. I can’t recall if it was posted here or one of my family members posted, how young people felt if Kamala went on Joe Rogaine it would have swayed their vote. Seriously.

 

[HenrySwanson]

As I understand it the Harris campaign did try to focus on the economy at least. Her plan to fight price gouging by corporations sounds to me like it would've done a lot more to reduce prices than Trump's concept of an idea to raise money by pushing them up further with tariffs.

But people didn't listen.

She also discussed immigration at length on her 60 Minutes interview and elsewhere. When the subject came up during her presidential debate Trump pivoted to ranting about Haitians eating pet cats and dogs.

Kamala Harris defends record on immigration: "Solutions are at hand"

Republicans have pounded Vice President Kamala Harris on immigration. She's announced plans to enact tougher border restrictions and has called on Congress to act on long-term solutions.

www.cbsnews.com

Reminds me of how Kennedy vs Nixon played out on Mad Men:

Spoiler: Mild sexual words

 

[Scaff]

The uninteresting and predictable miss of this thread isn’t the election loss due too inflation - but the massive cultural shift in politics.

Progressive, woke politics, and pop culture…lost. In America

I'm pretty sure this is simply you projecting.

According to every poll, exit interview, etc, the economy and immigration drove Trump's votes.

Its interesting however to know what drove your vote.

 

[Tornado]

Well not really. We already knew that.

Not American but it's probable that it wasn't a big reason that it got people out to vote. This seems to back that theory up:

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NBC News Exit Poll: Voters express deep concern about America's democracy and economy

Women are twice as likely as men to rank abortion as their top issue, according to preliminary results from the national survey.

www.nbcnews.com

Harris's campaign should have focused on the economy and immigration and used the tactics employed by Goebbels the Right to gain such a strong hold on the culture wars. However, truth and decency limited them, so it would have taken something creative to engage with voters susceptible to changing course.

I suspect that there was a lot of "Leopards would never eat my face" at play here for the right side of that chart; but I find it interesting that even for people who said they voted for her the thing she seemed to focus the most on (and was the most popular "line item" referendum that was also on various state ballots basically independently from any support of her) is only the second most important thing on their list.

 

[Sprite]

Looks like a really bad knock-off Star Trek Voyager convention panel.