26 cars lined up for 2010 & bile from Bernie

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This just in Super Aguri won't be returning.

Meh. No great loss. Apart from one pass on Alonso in Canada, I never understood the love for these guys.

It was the same as loving Minardi - not because they did anything particularly amazing, but they were the backenders who tried hard. Who doesn't enjoy an underdog team? They were as much a part of the characters of F1 as Ferrari or McLaren.

And actually you also forgot Anthony Davidson running in 3rd at one point in Canada too ;)
 
Eaxctly. I'm willing to bet that when he likes of Catalunya and Interlagos were constrcted, their respective cities were not encroaching upon the baoundaries of the circuit. In fact, I'd say they'd have been quite deliberately isolated because of thenoise, but the cities evenually grew around them.

Actually, the answer is in the name: Interlagos, between resevoirs. The land was bought in order to build houses, but the land was unsuitable, and they built a track instead - the slums were always around it.

I think seeing as Indy is out of the equation, a US street circuit would be very welcome in my opinion 👍 I realise we are getting a few too many at the moment, but at least the US has a history of street circuit-Grand Prix...some of them classics.
Otherwise, I think these new US teams should get together and try and start a project to build a new circuit up to FIA standards perhaps? Then they could hold test sessions there rather than flying out to Europe.

Indy isn't out of the equation as a track - only as far as Bernie's money is concerned. With increased US-based support due to the new US teams, and perhaps some concessions on Bernie's part (pressured by the teams), Indy would instantly return to the schedule.

Building an FIA-standard track would cost hundreds of millions, plus the Bernie-fees that prevent a race at Indy. And USGPE already stated they'll have a base in Spain, next to the three favourite testing-tracks - Catalunya, Jerez, and the Autodromo Algarve.

It was the same as loving Minardi - not because they did anything particularly amazing, but they were the backenders who tried hard. Who doesn't enjoy an underdog team? They were as much a part of the characters of F1 as Ferrari or McLaren.

And actually you also forgot Anthony Davidson running in 3rd at one point in Canada too ;)

Indeed, running 3rd, and then stopping to end up 5th after his final planned stop - with the others yet to pit. However, he hit a groundhog and had to pit yet again.

Also note, dyr?, that at the time, achieving 6th place (and the associated points) was more than the factory Honda did. For a notoriously dangerous driver like Sato to execute a perfect pass in last year's car on the reigning double world champion in a championship-leading McLaren - that was quite a feat. Sato was pretty much last when the safety-car came in - however, using his superior tyres (others were on their mandatory Supersofts stint), he sliced his way from ~14th to 6th.
 
A team that worked hard to do good rather that it just coming to them because of a superior car.
So you're saying that the likes of Brawn are a lesser team simply because they had success straight away? Never mind that they languished for two years as Honda and were almost out of their respective jobs three months before the season began. They worked every bit as hard as Aguri - if not harder - and made something of themselves.
 
Brawn's glory didn't just come to them, they worked damn hard for it. But I was referring to ferrari before 2009, glory coming to them all because they had the superior car. The drivers just had to drive normally without having to push like hell. Schumacher was probably the only driver for ferrari that ever really pushed, and he got 7 world titles. That's why Super Aguri is so loved.
 
I think these new US teams should get together and try and start a project to build a new circuit up to FIA standards perhaps? Then they could hold test sessions there rather than flying out to Europe.

Now thats a thought. 👍

Hmmmm,which lucky city would you pick for such an operation ?
 
This is a stupid idea: A New York City racetrack. Tons of 90 degree corners over and over again. Pretty stupid idea huh?
 
This is a stupid idea: A New York City racetrack. Tons of 90 degree corners over and over again. Pretty stupid idea huh?
Use the roads in Central Park. Or go out to Flushing Meadows, as was once originally planned. Boh are within the New York City city limits; neither are dominated by ninety-degree turns.
 
I think Penske is a better possibility, since, as far as I know, their ALMS program has been suspended indefinitely, while AGR are still involved.
 
A good road is 1 thing, seating and other facilities is another thing. So New York is a good city track possibility in the future, just put up some stands and some snack bars. The pitlane is probably the only problem.
 
IF I had to choose one of the two,I would go with Penske to enter into F1.

I think Penske is a better possibility, since, as far as I know, their ALMS program has been suspended indefinitely, while AGR are still involved.

Agreed, plus Penske already has some history in F1, whereas Andretti himself obviously has F1 history, his team does not.

Now thats a thought. 👍

Hmmmm,which lucky city would you pick for such an operation ?

It doesn't really matter, but if it could be anywhere, it should be at least central based, so its a fair distance for everyone, like Indianapolis sort of was.
Putting it near a large city is obviously best, it would need a good transport system and need to be close to an airport (or even have its own like Bahrain was once planning).
 
Penske has experience in '70s F1, which is a completely different beast... At the moment, neither team has the experience or equipment to build a competitive car.


And I'll repeat that building a new FIA track would cost so much more than a race at Indianapolis that it's absolutely not worth it.
 
Penske has experience in '70s F1, which is a completely different beast... At the moment, neither team has the experience or equipment to build a competitive car.


And I'll repeat that building a new FIA track would cost so much more than a race at Indianapolis that it's absolutely not worth it.

I didn't mean it meant they have experience per se, just that they have a reason to be interested.

And I'll continue to discuss the possibility of a new track, because there is no law against me doing so :P
I realise its not worth it, but its still something worthy of discussion is it not?
 
Of course - when I posted my list in the "Your Ultimate Calendar" thread, I was appalled by the lack of F1-capable tracks in the US.

However, assuming you have unlimited funds and a perfect layout - where do you build it? No chance of street-races in the major cities - you can't close New York roads (Gran Turismo's track?) or the likes, since it would just clog that city entirely for the duration of the GP (and it's two weeks of preparations at Monaco). Somewhere in the middle of the country wouldn't make much financial sense - it would need to be close to a metropolis after all to attract viewers.
 
That's why I suggested Miller Motorsport Park: it's fairly new, close enough to Salt Lake City that it can be held in relative peace and quiet (see the case of a woman who moved to a home near the Croft circuit in England knowing what it was and what it was used for and thn odging a noise complaint) and would probably only need a new extra grandstands and pit facilities.
 
As much as I would like to see it return to Indy,I'm would not bet that it will.I know Bernie wanted XXX amount of dollars,but Tony George (owner of Indianapolis Motor Speedway) was not willing to pay the sum that Ecclestone wanted.Did they part ways on a friendly or not so friendly way ? Did they keep the door open for a possible F1 comeback to the track ?

A rumour was started by Dave Despain (host of Wind Tunnel),that F1 will be racing in Las Vegas. 💡
 
The costs that Bernie demands are around $30m - but the costs of building a new track are on the scale of $200m, plus these $30m per race.. For that sort of money, you could host a USGP at Indy for 8 years.
 
Not really sure where this shold go. Normally, new circuits would warrant their own thread, but this one isn't expected until 2012 and I doubt a Rome Grand Prix will ever actually come to effect. This is the proposal, though I'll say it now: it doesn't look like much. In fact, it has just twelve corners; half the number of other city circuits like Singapore and Valencia. I think a lot of this would depend upon how wide and how long the circuit is, and whether or not an extension is added dow past the current hairpin and over the river (the article describes it better than I can). If it were built right, I think the current hairpin would serve better as a pair of high-speed chicanes next to each other; the kind where if you have the balls and a fresh set of tyres, you can take it flat, but if your rubber is at the end of its life or you're not feeling up to it, you'd have to squeeze the pedal a little to make it.
 
If that isn't the most uninspired track design I've seen in quite a while...
Well, it's weird: this video shows a completely diferent layout.

EDIT: I know it's not the most reliable source, but F1 Update are reporting that Nico Rosberg is rather unsatisfied with Williams, and may be looking elsewhere for 2010.
 
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Yes. That was eighty years ago, and as the article mentions, there's still a stigma associated with Auto Union because of Hitler's plan to have a car that could dominate on the circuit and so a resurrection of the name migt be out of the question, even if they did seek to cleanse it of tha Nazi connotations. But it doesn't matter: Porsche and Volkswagen have given no indication that they're interested in joining the grid, and there's less than two weeks until the closing date for entries.
 
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