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Don't forget the draft is a big factor on this track with that very long front straight so up the top speed significantly. If CSL's gearing is anywhere near red line it's going to need an adjustment (unless you plan to be the front runner the entire race).

We could really measure here the difference between "weak" and "strong" settings for slipstream... Of course we plan to use weak, but it would be interesting to quantify the difference in terms of mph coming down the straight.

My first order of business, since I didn't run WRS that week, is to figure out if I can run close to podium speed for D3 on this track offline (~1'39.0).

@Lucas and/or @Ealirendur: What tune did you end up using that week for your submitted times? I have three tunes on file for that WRS week: Vagabond, CSL, Madmax.

I see teecro ran that week and he recently posted to the WRS thread that he's missing WRS... maybe we can recruit him for this week too!

We used Fuji for our first really big online race event on Prologue, Event 02.

We required "Pit Stops" for the races in a sole effort to reduce the effects of slipstream. Keep in mind, there really weren't any pit stops on prologue, it just meant you had to drive through the pits without hitting the barrier and take the time penalty it gave you for driving in there.

With slipstream at strong, if will be a HUGE factor here.
 
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We used Fuji for our first really big online race event on Prologue, Event 02.

We required "Pit Stops" for the races in a sole effort to reduce the effects of slipstream. Keep in mind, there really weren't any pit stops on prologue, it just meant you had to drive through the pits without hitting the barrier and take the time penalty it gave you for driving in there.

With slipstream at strong, if will be a HUGE factor here.

Before any hackles are raised, we have no plans of *ever* using the "strong" setting for slipstream. I just thought that since draft is so hefty at this track and we'd be doing testing anyway it would be a good opportunity to do a "measurement" of strong vs weak.
 
Before any hackles are raised, we have no plans of *ever* using the "strong" setting for slipstream. I just thought that since draft is so hefty at this track and we'd be doing testing anyway it would be a good opportunity to do a "measurement" of strong vs weak.

No raised hackles here, just saying that the slipstream here would make a difference beyond your wildest expectations. I was keeping up with D1 guys who were at least 1.0 faster than me during our practice races for the Event 02 races. Their only chance without pits was to break the tow in T3, but that wasn't always possible.

Only adding color commentary. :sly:
 
@Lucas and/or @Ealirendur: What tune did you end up using that week for your submitted times? I have three tunes on file for that WRS week: Vagabond, CSL, Madmax.

Going back and reading the thread, looks like I used Kevin's evolving tune for 700mi, and quite liked it:tup:, and then switched to Vagabond's late-posted tune and the DS3, and gained 0.2 overall. So, not remembering the details at the moment, and I'm sure I'll try a few different tunes, now that we have sheets. Madmax posted his at the deadline, so I probably haven't tried it yet.

Of course, if you do what I do, you'll risk placing where I usually do. :sly:
 
My first order of business, since I didn't run WRS that week, is to figure out if I can run close to podium speed for D3 on this track offline (~1'39.0).

@Lucas and/or @Ealirendur: What tune did you end up using that week for your submitted times? I have three tunes on file for that WRS week: Vagabond, CSL, Madmax.

I see teecro ran that week and he recently posted to the WRS thread that he's missing WRS... maybe we can recruit him for this week too!

I used close to the one I listed here. I'm usually still tweaking right up until the final runs, and I usually don't get a chance to note down the final setup before going to bed/work.

Dom's initial gearing actually redlined in order to get more acceleration; he tweaked it just under, IIRC. Kevin also had one that I would definitely try again for online (and now I'm using MT), and I recall being impressed with Max's when I tried it quickly afterwards.

D3 podiums for that week should really have been in the 1'38s; Lynx forgot to submit, and Stanley mis-submitted, so I only fell over the line like Steven Bradbury. I myself dropped the ball on a better lap in the 1'38.7 region.
 
I'll be making an online tune from scratch for this like the Miata week, my new save started after the Asparadrink week (which means I don't have my WRS car anymore), I'll get something up for it before the race.
Yes, the gears will be longer now. ;) (still might hit limiter with draft though)
 
I went an extra lap on the first stint hoping you were going to pit first. Since you were behind, I was afraid you were going to follow me into the pits and that's usually what triggers the pit bug -- as it did in Daytona when you followed me in the pits and left first because it held me. After one extra lap I said forget it as I didn't feel comfortable and I was losing time to you as you seemed to do better on warn tires. I was relieved when you didn't follow and a lap or two later figured out you were going to try for one stop.

At that point I had mixed feelings. I figured I had a 90% chance of winning at that point (barring a mistake on my part), but I knew the close racing was done for the night except the one inevitable pass when our strategies intersected for a last time and so we had settled into a distant time trial war. I like my chances better in a time trial war as that's what I'm good at (good being relative of course), but I need more practice in hand to hand combat as it were. Ask Hydro about time trial wars in the TMR event or Speedy about the time trial wars in the Daytona EU event. I seem to be involved in those more often than not for some reason.
I guess I'm more of a "Vettelish" driver where if you give me a 2 second gap I like my odds, or if you give me better tires and X laps to make up Y seconds I thrive, but you can rough me up and frazzle me pretty easily in close quarters.

Why am I giving away my secrets and insecurities? :lol:

I realized that you're a hot lapper in the NA race. I consistently lost a tenth every lap in the first stint (so frustrating when slipstreaming is so close yet so far away :grumpy:). I knew if I kept following your strategy I would never get past, so I decided to take matters into my own hands. Following you would have dropped my chances of winning from 10% - 0%.

I'm the opposite of you, I can't lap consistently fast, but I feel I'm a really good passer (relative of course :lol:). All my 4 races in 3D3, which have been my only online races, I have always gained decent positions from the start. In the EU race that's what helped me jump you and maybe 1-2 more faster people in the start (or the race would have been very different lol).

Haha everyone has weaknesses and strengths. That's why I like WRS and 3D3, there is setup sharing, tips sharing on how to become faster. In the end we all can learn something new from someone.


On to the coming race, I'm going to try and make my own tune (for the very first time). I also didn't take part in this event, but since im not doing the FGT I should have practice time for this.
 
Oh by the way mohitraina, if you haven't or anyone else who might not have noticed, w/ the new GTP site upgrade everyones multiple PSN logins are not readable and if your forum handle isn't close to your GTP_racing name no one can tell who you are and w/ everyone talking to someones first name it's really hard to keep track of whatz who..... Observation from the penut gallery :)
 
On to the coming race, I'm going to try and make my own tune (for the very first time). I also didn't take part in this event, but since im not doing the FGT I should have practice time for this.

Cool on the do-it-yourself tune and I'm not there yet although I can tweak others tunes a little. I'll test your tune once I get dialed in a little if you want to share (but that's up to you). My first goal for AsaparaWhat? was to get a "belated" D3 podium finish for week #22 offline which I've accomplished tonight with a 1'38.993 :lol: Tomorrow night my goal is to get close to the D3 gold time offline which was 1'38.277. So far my T2 times are off by 0.5 so I've got work to do on that sector, but my T1 and T3 are fairly close. Once I do that I'm going to move completely online.

Oh by the way mohitraina, if you haven't or anyone else who might not have noticed, w/ the new GTP site upgrade everyones multiple PSN logins are not readable and if your forum handle isn't close to your GTP_racing name no one can tell who you are and w/ everyone talking to someones first name it's really hard to keep track of whatz who..... Observation from the penut gallery :)

I was going to ask if drivers minded if we put your first names on the drivers list each week alongside your GTP tag. You can opt out if you want of course and we'll just refer to you by your tag, but if you don't mind it might make it easier during pre-race as well or for the name-challenged like Lefty :sly:. I was also thinking today we could add a 3D3 driver's registry with your GTP ID's/First names at the bottom of the OP for anyone who's ever taken part in one of our races. Maybe jazz it up with Marc's fancy driver logos he uses for the race pics.


UPDATE: Scheduled Maintenance Monday Oct 24 from 7:00 PM EDT to 11:00 PM EDT which is exactly when we usually schedule NA practice. We'll have to find another time, in particular for east coasters. Maybe Sunday evening 10/23 instead? I can hold a practice once the system comes back online Monday night at 8:00 PM PDT, but that probably won't work for east coasters. I wonder if they are going to throw in spa for North America in this window?
 
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Nice thinkin' Tim. 👍 I like it. The names list, the practice sessions, the "jazz"! :D

Nice job on the (late) podium. :rolleyes::lol: I was doing the same thing, except I bought a new Drinky, since my WRS #22 version had the Chassis Reinforcement installed, and I wanted one without it. Now watching Bob break it in on a rainy Nurb...just beautiful.
 
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I was going to ask if drivers minded if we put your first names on the drivers list each week alongside your GTP tag.


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Sign me up for the EU slot race. 👍

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Cool on the do-it-yourself tune and I'm not there yet although I can tweak others tunes a little. I'll test your tune once I get dialed in a little if you want to share (but that's up to you). My first goal for AsaparaWhat? was to get a "belated" D3 podium finish for week #22 offline which I've accomplished tonight with a 1'38.993 :lol: Tomorrow night my goal is to get close to the D3 gold time offline which was 1'38.277. So far my T2 times are off by 0.5 so I've got work to do on that sector, but my T1 and T3 are fairly close. Once I do that I'm going to move completely online.

I'm going to try and get a podium finish too, so that I'm comfortable with the car and track. I'm not there yet either, but I got a bit of time this week so why not?

Btw its GTP_gooners_17 / Mohit.
 
Any room for another, chaps? EU race... GTP_Vagabond / Chris (as you all already know :))

I'll try not to sulk this time when I've destroyed my tyres and everyone sails past me in the last few laps :P

Nice to see Wes putting in an appearance 👍
 
Here's my tune from week 22 race thread -

Gears

3112
23
45
1823
1441
1
180
10
08

Final - 4076

Top speed in top box shows as 178 MPH

LSD - Default

Ride -5/-10
Springs 13.8/16.5
Damp EXT 8/8
Camp Comp
6/8
ARB 5/6

Camber 2.5/0.8
Toe 0/
-0.15

Brakes
3/7

I tweaked a few things in my final run of the WRS combo.

LSD changed to 8/40/20, and rear toe to -0.17. I think there could have been a couple of gear tweaks as well, will repost my gears once I'm happy with something for online.

I ran some practice laps in my own lobby last night, and the car was quite comfortable, even for online physics.

My car has the chassis rigidity installed, I picked up time when I did that toward the tail end of the WRS combo.

If it's too tight or too loose for you and you want to make small adjustments, making the rear toe more negative loosens up the rear, making it less negative tightens it up.


 
Any room for another, chaps? EU race... GTP_Vagabond / Chris (as you all already know :))
Are we doing grid start this time? If not I vote a mandatory "rolling start" 1 day course for Vagabond as a condition for participating. ;)
 
Are we doing grid start this time? If not I vote a mandatory "rolling start" 1 day course for Vagabond as a condition for participating. ;)

👍 I think whoever is on pole when we do a rolling start should reread our procedures post and fax a signed copy to the Stewards. :lol: And even if Lefty isn't on pole he's required to sign the special rolling starting invisibility clause. :lol:

But to answer your question... Yes, grid start this week. (We'll go back to rolling starts in future weeks). With a grid start OR rolling start there is potential for carnage on the opening corner of Fuji, but we're all civilized with reputations to uphold so we should be fine. Especially, if we all take the advice of the OLR:

09: Standing Start Guidelines:

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Your goal on turn 1 should not be to get to the front, but rather to convert a double wide start field to a single file running order. Look ahead more than one car. Due to field compression, a compact field will run slower through the first few turns than a spread out one. Leave some extra space, but not too much. Drivers behind you won't be expecting sudden braking.

E:
All of the rules in regard to contact concession apply if you knock a racer off track during the start of the race. If you cause a wreck, you are required to wait for all players who go off track as a result, regardless of whether you contacted them directly or not. If you are involved in a wreck which you did not cause, you are not required to wait.
 
Or maybe Lefty could bring a pacer, like runners in T&F. He drives in front on the formation lap and starts at the proper time then pulls aside after turn 1. ;)
 
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Lookee -

When the race countdown completes the lounge will shift to race mode and you will find yourself on the starting grid. Apply full brakes and no throttle and remain stopped in your grid spot until instructed to exit. At the end of the timer a start Marshall will instruct the pole sitter to exit the grid and proceed to the reformation area:

The last turn marker (25m) prior to turn 1:
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The pole sitter should come to a complete stop at the reformation area as shown in the photo. The start Marshall will then verbally release each driver from the grid individually in qualification order. Each subsequent driver should park in single file a car length behind the car in front. When all cars are lined up the pole sitter will be instructed to begin the formation lap at a safe speed and all drivers should follow maintaining a safe gap.

The way I understand this is that there are two laps prior to starting the race. One to drive around to the last corner marker and form up in start order, then one formation lap.

At the end of the timer a start Marshall will instruct the pole sitter to exit the grid and proceed to the reformation area:

When all cars are lined up the pole sitter will be instructed to begin the formation lap

?? On wednesday, we didn't do that, we left the grid then started the race next lap without a formation lap. That's why I zoomed off - to drive to the reformation point. :dopey:
 
Or maybe Lefty could bring a pacer, like runners in T&F. He drives in front on the formation lap and starts at the proper time then pulls aside after turn 1. ;)

I do have the GT Skyline GT-R pace car w/ the lights on the roof ...... :lol:
 
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Lookee -

The way I understand this is that there are two laps prior to starting the race. One to drive around to the last corner marker and form up in start order, then one formation lap.

At the end of the timer a start Marshall will instruct the pole sitter to exit the grid and proceed to the reformation area:

When all cars are lined up the pole sitter will be instructed to begin the formation lap

?? On wednesday, we didn't do that, we left the grid then started the race next lap without a formation lap. That's why I zoomed off - to drive to the reformation point. :dopey:

Sorry for the confusion, we meant the formation area just down the straight from the grid and not at the end of a lap and thus the formation lap was really a formation 80% lap. :lol:

Next time we'll have a race Marshall leave the grid first and park/stop at the designated reformation area. The pole sitter will stop/park immediately to his right and then other drivers park behind the pole sitter. When the last driver is in line the formation lap will proceed and the Marshall will weave into his proper position.

That should take away the confusion. Only thing better would be to have a volunteer pace car driver. :sly:

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Lookee -



The way I understand this is that there are two laps prior to starting the race. One to drive around to the last corner marker and form up in start order, then one formation lap.

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?? On wednesday, we didn't do that, we left the grid then started the race next lap without a formation lap. That's why I zoomed off - to drive to the reformation point. :dopey:

I think the confusion is that you interpreted the reformation area as being at the last turn, but we wanted it to be before turn 1.
 
That should take away the confusion. Only thing better would be to have a volunteer pace car driver. :sly:

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How does this sound...What if we took turns being the pacecar driver?
 
How does this sound...What if we took turns being the pacecar driver?

↑↑↑↑Speedy ↓↓↓↓Vagabond

It's not worth missing a race to have a pace car for one lap.

If the Marshall just sets the reformation area we should be set. He can easily weave into place by just coordinating with the driver just behind him from quali. I'll volunteer for the duty for any race I'm in and we do a rolling start and I won't miss anything. I have mic and never had another invisible driver to me. But I don't want to miss a race to be a pace car and I don't want anyone else who wants to race to miss one either.

If someone who would have otherwise just observed wanted to volunteer that would be fun to try out. Also remember that pace car would take up on of the possible 16 grid spots in case we ever do fill the grids completely.
 
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Yeah I see that now... dunno why my brain replaced turn 1 with last turn but there you go. :dunce:

I just wanted a massive head start. :P

I'll volunteer to drive the pace car if you like Tim. 👍 Can't get that wrong surely... :sly:
 
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