3rd GTPlanet Formula 1 World Championship (Season Opening)

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Concerning my video - please keep in mind that it is from my PS3's point of view and as GT4Genius said that we all may have a different amount of or type of lag. We should all take what is seen with a grain of salt and not for what happened exactly. I thought it would be fun to have some video of action. If continues to be a point of arguements I will keep them for myself. Please remember guys, IT'S JUST A GAME!! This tournement was suppose to be for fun. We've had two practices, one race and mostly arguments since. Oh, and if collisions were off we would not be arguing over who hit who or who didn't wait :dunce: :D :lol:
 
I have been speaking to mark and due to other commitments he will be unable to race as he his rfactor race is to close to are race.

So that means pj you are welcome to join me at Red Bull if you like.
Also kakundoo i take it that its a no for moving the race forward for this weeks race cheers for ignoring me. I do like sapang guys but i probably won't be able to make this one but will every race after.
 
I won't be able to join immediately though, as F1:CE hasn't arrived yet, and neither has my PS3.
 
Glad someone told us it was going to be raining, thanks kak, thats not how you run a tournament, you get to practice in the rain all week and dont say anything to us, that was BULL$%#T, then you take me out because i said something adout it
 
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FastDuck
Glad someone told us it was going to be raining, thanks kak, thats not how you run a tournament, you get to practice in the rain all week and dont say anything to us, that was BULL$%#T, then you take me out because i said something adout it
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I have a few things to say about this race. To be fair to kak, he did update the table and change the weather, but the forum was so quiet no one seemed to notice.

Kak claims you shunted into him, I don't know if this was the same incident or a separate one, but I had a perfect view of Kak punting you off in the long high speed turn 5. I was just waiting for him to hold up and let you past but he never. He claims he knew nothing of this, but pleading ignorance should only go so far. I'm astounded he didn't notice. He says he was crashed into 5 times, I dont know if on any of those occasions people didn't wait for him, but I certainly did, even though he really crashed into me.
 
GTP 3rd PAL F1 Championship - Sepang

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Weather - Heavy Rain

Race order:

1st. Shaggy Alonso - 11 pts (Jordan GP)
2nd. Kakundoo - 8 pts (Brawn GP)
3rd. HEMIata - 6 pts (Williams)
4th. GT4genius - 5 pts (Jordan GP)
5th. Rob101 - 4 pts (Brawn)
DNF FastDuck - 0 pts (Williams)

Pole Position - Shaggy Alonso - 1:38.2xx
Fastest Lap - Shaggy Alonso - 1:37.424

Jordan GP - 16 pts
Brawn GP - 12 pts
Williams - 6 pts
Red Bull - 0 pts
Team Lotus - 0 pts


Well where to start, I was lucky to get pole after cocking up my first lap, and in the wet you only get time for two flyers, so the pressure was on for my second lap, but it was enough luckily.

I got off to a good start, fractionally better than my start in Bahrain. I purposefully braked extremely late into turn 1 for fear of getting shunted again, and I also braked late into turn 4 as Kak was quite close behind me. Unfortunately as a result, I got a sloppy exit from this corner and got in a tangle with Kak which lost him a wheel as he crashed into me. I waited for him and then proceeded to play a much more patient game than I did in Bahrain, many lessons had been learnt! This put me last, but ahead of me there was some very close knit racing on the straights and luckily I didn't really have to properly overtake anyone as I watched the others collect each other to my profit. I got up to second this way and started hounding down HEMIata. He went off where Massa dropped it last year, at turn 8 so thankfully I didn't have to pull off any crazy manoeuvre to get by there either.

From there on in I just held station and tried to pull away from the others. Was very pleased with my pace, as it was definitely better than what it had been in practice just before the race. I noticed HEMI was somehow able to pit a lap later than me, which worried me slightly that he might have been able to pull off a one stopper, but thankfully he had to make two stops just like the rest of us!

All in all a very pleasing race from my perspective, coming back from last to win is always a thrill 👍

However I should obviously mention a rather nasty incident at turn 5 between Kakundoo and FastDuck, which I had a clear view of behind them. Kakundoo had the inside line going through the fast turn 5, side by side with Duck when he punted the latter off the track and proceeded to drive on, just as he did twice in Bahrain. Duck appeared to be so maddened by this that he boycotted the race and logged off and in all honesty, I don't blame him. It's not so much the crash that bothers me, it's the fact that you didn't wait Kakundoo. You must have known you were racing him, and got past, then if you check the map you would notice that the Williams dot was definitely not moving any more!

EDIT: No hard feelings, matter is mostly resolved.
 
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This is becoming ridiculous. Please stop.

Zeroduck, Kak updated the first post with the details of this weeks race, I didnt check and never knew it was going to rain either. But that was my fault not Kaks and I suggest you take a similar stance. As for the incidence you had with him, perhaps he did hit you and did notice (highly unlikely), this is still no reason to abandon the race. Due to your absence there was only 4 cars on a rather large circuit and for more than half of the race people where lapping on their own. Another car would have made the race much more interesting.

@Shaggy, congratulations on the win, a good points haul for Jordan. :D
But for the second time what you see on your screen can be completely different from that of others. Sorry but you're inadvertently adding to the flames in this argument.

Also I dont see Kak giving out to Rob after he moved across the track and straight into Kak, who then spent about 5 seconds doing 360s in a field way off the side of the track.


Also, I got your message Rob and replied, no hard feelings at all. 👍
 
GT4 genius
@Shaggy, congratulations on the win, a good points haul for Jordan. :D
But for the second time what you see on your screen can be completely different from that of others. Sorry but you're inadvertently adding to the flames in this argument.

Also I dont see Kak giving out to Rob after he moved across the track and straight into Kak, who then spent about 5 seconds doing 360s in a field way off the side of the track.


Also, I got your message Rob and replied, no hard feelings at all. 👍
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Did Rob wait for Kakundoo? If he did then there is no issue there, that's all I'm getting at. And although I agree things sometimes aren't what they seem in this game online, Duck didn't punt off Kak and then drive on, that much is clear. For sure, in all probability he didn't notice, but he just should have checked, that's all I'm saying.
 
Good race guys.
I qualified second, as I expected, got an okay start, managed to maintain my second position. I went into turn 4 and me and Shaggy had a coming together, which left me a little disappinted but I soldiered on. I then caught Zeroduck BUT he shunted me and I went off! Then I caught up to him again, and going through turn 5, I was on the inside and Duck turned into me and went off, which in my opinion is no fault of mine.
From there I had to play catch up and then caught up to GT4 Genius after he went off I believe, but then he hit me on the last corner, but I didn't log off lol. I managed to carry on during the race into 3rd, and decided to pull a HEMI move by pitting earlier to avoid having to pass on the track and got passed HEMI when he pitted and finished second.

THANKYOU GT4!! lol, you noticed that Rob did hit me (and didn't wait) and I spun lol, and again had to play catch up. But I never moaned about it.
Duck, you should have checked the forum. Shaggy checked the race schedule and was able to practice and he won the race. Also FYI, I only started practicing on Saturday, because I was busy all week.
 
Shaggy Alonso
Did Rob wait for Kakundoo? If he did then there is no issue here, that's all I'm getting at. And although I agree things sometimes aren't what they seem in this game online, Duck didn't punt off Kak and then drive on, that much is clear. For sure, in all probability he didn't notice, but he just should have checked, that's all I'm saying.
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No Rob didnt wait, although I think he did go wide in the following corner, and Kak may have gotten the place back as a result.

Kakundoo had the inside line going through the fast turn 5, side by side with Duck when he punted the latter off the track
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When you say this, do you mean Kak had the inside line, with more than 3/4 of his car alongside Zeroduck then as kak started to move towards the outside of the track he hit Zeroduck. If this is the case and Zeroduck had enough room to move further wide without running out of track, then what you describe is in fact clearing Kak of any wrong doing.
In Formula 1 you are allowed 'push' another car to the outside of the track, provided you have 3/4 of your car alongside them and you leave them enough room for their car to actually fit within the track. If the other car is less then half way alongside the other then they must yield if the car in the lead moves across.
 
Exactly! Thank you GT4! If I remember correctly I did the same sort of pass on you on a different corner. I think you did go wide because of it, but it was a legit move.
 
GT4 genius
No Rob didnt wait, although I think he did go wide in the following corner, and Kak may have gotten the place back as a result.



When you say this, do you mean Kak had the inside line, with more than 3/4 of his car alongside Zeroduck then as kak started to move towards the outside of the track he hit Zeroduck. If this is the case and Zeroduck had enough room to move further wide without running out of track, then what you describe is in fact clearing Kak of any wrong doing.
In Formula 1 you are allowed 'push' another car to the outside of the track, provided you have 3/4 of your car alongside them and you leave them enough room for their car to actually fit within the track. If the other car is less then half way alongside the other then they must yield if the car in the lead moves across.
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Genius, you can't say on one hand that what appears on screen is different from what is actually happening, and then suggest on the other that Kakundoo did nothing wrong because he 'appeared' to have left Duck enough room to fit on the track. I don't know if enough room was left for him, and if I said I did then everyone would just repeat the same thing that whatever you see isn't necessarily correct. That is a real life F1 rule which for obvious reasons is pretty hard to apply to our races. From my perspective, Duck didn't turn in to Kak, Kak took the inside line and although he didn't push to the right, there was a colision. When I say inside line, he wasn't hugging the apex, he was quite far wide, but whether or not he left enough room is open to debate. But really, when before has that not been a case for waiting for someone? We've always maintained that rule, even if you're not 100% at fault, for arguments sake you should wait in that type of incident. I'm pretty sure Ardius and Gyles would back me up on that.

Now in complete fairness to Kak, I didn't realise that he was punted off by Duck who didn't wait before this. In which case, Duck can really have no complaints. I'd like to hear his version of things.

And please don't get at me like I'm just adding flames to this, if someone is hard done by in a race I don't think it should just be brushed under the carpet incase some people end up having a disagreement over it. No doubt people will say "It's only a game" or "It's meant to be fun", but if that's the case then what is the point in applying so many rules in the opening post if in reality, anything goes?
 
Look, I had the inside of the track. And from where I was, I was hitting the apex. If I had turned in anymore, then I would have spun my car or would have got a penalty. I never turned right, because this would have screwed me over. The only person that could have turned left more into that corner was Duck as he was on the outside. This means that it is Duck that would have caused the collision. Personally, I did not feel or see anything because I was a little ahead and had the inside. So how could I have been at fault?
 
Kakundoo
Look, I had the inside of the track. And from where I was, I was hitting the apex. If I had turned in anymore, then I would have spun my car or would have got a penalty. I never turned right, because this would have screwed me over. The only person that could have turned left more into that corner was Duck as he was on the outside. This means that it is Duck that would have caused the collision. Personally, I did not feel or see anything because I was a little ahead and had the inside. So how could I have been at fault?
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Kak, I really don't mean to get at you. I'm just saying I think you should have waited nevertheless. I could have drove on at the start after our incident, but clearly it wouldn't have been the most sporting thing to do and could have caused an argument. Now, I understand why you didn't wait if Duck did the same to you and didn't wait. But when he punted you off, could a similar thing not have happened where he was convinced he wasn't at fault? In both cases you should have waited for each other.
 
Shaggy Alonso
Genius, you can't say on one hand that what appears on screen is different from what is actually happening, and then suggest on the other that Kakundoo did nothing wrong because he 'appeared' to have left Duck enough room to fit on the track. I don't know if enough room was left for him, and if I said I did then everyone would just repeat the same thing that whatever you see isn't necessarily correct. That is a real life F1 rule which for obvious reasons is pretty hard to apply to our races. From my perspective, Duck didn't turn in to Kak, Kak took the inside line and although he didn't push to the right, there was a colision. When I say inside line, he wasn't hugging the apex, he was quite far wide, but whether or not he left enough room is open to debate. But really, when before has that not been a case for waiting for someone? We've always maintained that rule, even if you're not 100% at fault, for arguments sake you should wait in that type of incident. I'm pretty sure Ardius and Gyles would back me up on that.
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Your right, that sort of precise decision making is impossible in our races due to the lag. Also I wasnt saying that we should not blame Kak for not waiting, based solely on how you explained it, I was just pointing out how what you said could have been interpreted.
Also I think in the first championship we had the rule that if the person very near you went off you would wait. But is this really fair? If someone drops it all on there own whilst being overtaken, or closes in on the other person too much should the other driver wait?
Although I dont think that scenario is fair, I do think it should be a policy we have in the future.

And please don't get at me like I'm just adding flames to this, if someone is hard done by in a race I don't think it should just be brushed under the carpet incase some people end up having a disagreement over it. No doubt people will say "It's only a game" or "It's meant to be fun", but if that's the case then what is the point in applying so many rules in the opening post if in reality, anything goes?
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I apologise for accusing you of fanning the flames. I realise that you only want to get to the bottom of this and iron out these problems so as the dont affect the rest of the races. :guilty:
 
I did let Kak back passed but no i didnt stop i slowed down a bit to let him catch up then let him past me it was a few corners after the incident
 
GT4 genius
Your right, that sort of precise decision making is impossible in our races due to the lag. Also I wasnt saying that we should not blame Kak for not waiting, based solely on how you explained it, I was just pointing out how what you said could have been interpreted.
Also I think in the first championship we had the rule that if the person very near you went off you would wait. But is this really fair? If someone drops it all on there own whilst being overtaken, or closes in on the other person too much should the other driver wait?
Although I dont think that scenario is fair, I do think it should be a policy we have in the future.



I apologise for accusing you of fanning the flames. I realise that you only want to get to the bottom of this and iron out these problems so as the dont affect the rest of the races. :guilty:
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I think we're in complete agreement then. And I can understand your point of view and Kakundoo's; honestly a big part of me is in agreement that it is unfair that you have to wait if you're 100% convinced you're not at fault for an incident, but equally the other driver can be 100% convinced that you are at fault in this game. I think the best way around it is just to be polite and "after you madame" about it. Sure if it means we have to race like a bunch of fannies, so be it. It's better than arguments every week.

I've just realised, I've never known your name. I'm Ben anyway. Where are you from down south?

Rob101
I did let Kak back passed but no i didnt stop i slowed down a bit to let him catch up then let him past me it was a few corners after the incident
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No probs then, that is all that is required 👍
 
Personally, I think we should just stop the arguments for now. I know everyone wants to get to the bottom of things, but there is no point lingering on about it.

On to Melbourne! :D

Not a great track for me :(
 
Shaggy Alonso
I think we're in complete agreement then. And I can understand your point of view and Kakundoo's; honestly a big part of me is in agreement that it is unfair that you have to wait if you're 100% convinced you're not at fault for an incident, but equally the other driver can be 100% convinced that you are at fault in this game. I think the best way around it is just to be polite. Sure if it means we have to race like a bunch of fannies, so be it. It's better than arguments every week.
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I think we should all agree on this.
That is:
We all race with the arrangement that if a car near us (ie close enough to attempt an over take, or a block) slows down dramatically or appears to drive off the map then you must wait for them, regardless of whether or not you believe you touched them.

Maybe we should trial this in the next race and if it works then we should introduce a penalty for anyone who ignores the rule.

So far myself and Shaggy agree on this (I think?), who else? Please vote and be clear in your decision.

I've just realised, I've never known your name. I'm Ben anyway. Where are you from down south?
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I'm Tom/Thomas, I'm not too far South, I live in Cavan but spend about 80% of my week in Dublin.



Kakundoo
Personally, I think we should just stop the arguments for now. I know everyone wants to get to the bottom of things, but there is no point lingering on about it.

On to Melbourne! :D

Not a great track for me :(
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Can we just run the vote for a few days and see?
Cant wait for Melbourne, by far my favorite track.
 
Okay then, that's fair. From now on we must note also how far behind a driver is from another at the end of the race. For example:

1. GT4 Genius
2. Rob101 +13.000
3. HEMIata +24.000

This way, if a penalty is to be imposed then we can change the order of the race.

1. Rob101
2. HEMIata +9.000
3. GT4 Genius +10.000

Obviously, the amount of time added to your race total would depend on the severity of the incident. And if it's done a lot of time by one driver in the race, then a starting grid drop may be imposed for the next race. These are now the rules. Final.

Oh and I'm Jamie.
 
Kakundoo
Okay then, that's fair. From now on we must note also how far behind a driver is from another at the end of the race. For example:

1. GT4 Genius
2. Rob101 +13.000
3. HEMIata +24.000

This way, if a penalty is to be imposed then we can change the order of the race.

1. Rob101
2. HEMIata +9.000
3. GT4 Genius +10.000

Obviously, the amount of time added to your race total would depend on the severity of the incident. And if it's done a lot of time by one driver in the race, then a starting grid drop may be imposed for the next race. These are now the rules. Final.

Oh and I'm Jamie.
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Thanks for making me look bad in the example! :lol: You couldn't have called them A, B and C?
Anyway thats all good with me, to Melbourne and hopefully we can talk about it a bit more during the week, rather than waiting until 5 mins before it starts.
 
Kakundoo
Personally, I think we should just stop the arguments for now. I know everyone wants to get to the bottom of things, but there is no point lingering on about it.

On to Melbourne! :D

Not a great track for me :(
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Saying there's no point in 'lingering' on about this is a tad presumptious Kak. If Duck has no further beef and accepts his part in things then obviously the issue should be completely dropped but I want to ensure that the rules are clarified. If people agree that this is the type of incident where the car profitting from it should wait even if they're not necessarily fully at fault, then it should be implemented. If not, then I suppose nothing is to be done.

EDIT: Never mind, I think the three of us are in agreement over that rule at least.

One thing, could it possibly be tweaked so that the 'offending' car in the incident doesn't have to let the other car past, but rather only has to slow up to within a reasonable distance of the car that went off? I think the most frustrating thing if you're the victim of this sort of incident isn't so much losing a position, but rather losing so much time while the other car is already long in the distance.

Kakundoo
Okay then, that's fair. From now on we must note also how far behind a driver is from another at the end of the race. For example:

1. GT4 Genius
2. Rob101 +13.000
3. HEMIata +24.000

This way, if a penalty is to be imposed then we can change the order of the race.

1. Rob101
2. HEMIata +9.000
3. GT4 Genius +10.000

Obviously, the amount of time added to your race total would depend on the severity of the incident. And if it's done a lot of time by one driver in the race, then a starting grid drop may be imposed for the next race. These are now the rules. Final.

Oh and I'm Jamie.
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Good to call you Jamie instead of 'Kak' which can obviously be interpretted in a more offensive way than what is intended!

Well, I think it's more fair to impose a starting grid penalty rather than a time penalty or a points deduction. I can't see anyone accepting that sort of penalty without becoming so brassed off that they'll leave the championship all together.

What's the weather for Melbourne btw Jamie?
 
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