400PP Nordschleife Shootout

[Milldrum]

…Of the 7 testers.

Anyway, don't throw in the towel just yet, at least you can manage a fast lap of the ring without crashing.

7th out of 7 is still 7th best. I was the number 7 driver in the world.(That was in the contest.) There was only 6 drivers in the world faster than me.(In the contest.)

 

[Hermanvongerman]

@Goldian remember Mike is a Nordschleife master who's probably put more miles in around the ring than the rest of us combined barring praiano who loves the ring and tests most of his tunes there. Don't feel bad that some of the top drivers around here are quite a bit faster than you when they've spent so much time on this track in the last year+.

I was feeling great when I got my fully tuned Copen around the ring in under 8 minutes so I started my Ring Masters challenge Thread. CSLACR and praiano in very short order were running their own Copens around the ring in 7:20 or so.

Still love the challenge of the track and I'm slowly getting better but will never be able to come close to the times these "Aliens" can get.

Enjoy driving the cars and improving your driving and maybe one day soon you'll be another one of those alien drivers guys like krenkme and myself chase.👍👍

Completley agree with the guys on this one, practice makes perfect, some of the lines take maybe 20 laps plus to understand on the "green hell",

For me personally this is my favorite track, and have done lord knows how many laps over the years in video games, from GT4, Forza 1, 2, 3 and so forth...

and I know I'm still not the fastest guy round there by any means... don't worry bout your times, as the scoring is based on averages, so long as you test everyones car the results will be fair for every one.....

Keep at it, it's great to see new testers coming on, and the only way to get better is by doing it!!!

 

[krenkme]

7th out of 7 is still 7th best. I was the number 7 driver in the world.(That was in the contest.) There was only 6 drivers in the world faster than me.(In the contest.)

I like your thinking 👍. That means that I have a top 100 tuning garage here on GTP

 

[Milldrum]

I like your thinking 👍. That means that I have a top 100 tuning garage here on GTP

...in the world! It would be top 100 in the world! Then you add a (On GTPlanet.)

 

[mike_gt3]

And there I tought I was doing "OK"..

Ok that´s it I give up on GT, ill stick to PC MMORPGS , any one want my copy of GT? OR do I just throw it away ?

Dont look at it this way Goldian, I have a LOT of practice on the ring, and like most said, practice make perfect, on my principal psn account, i have
68000km done, and im sure 70% of that is on the ring only.

Theres a pattern to follow on the track, theres part of the track where its more slippy or it has more grip, theres bump where you need to lift the throttle to prevent unstability, but some bumps you use for weight transfer of the car etc...

a slight change in racing line will have dramatic effect on the lap time. Once you figure out at least a part of that line your time will improve a lot.

If that can help, i tried to find a video on my account that could somehow match the type of handling you can find in the shootout, its not exactly the same but its similar to the MR2s

I improved my racing line and control since this video, but it might give you an idea:


The base of teh racing line is there, but much cleaner now, especially with the 400PP tuned, they are much more controllable than the old NSX R


For the MR in this shootout, to get a lower time, you need to use the oversteer, but just slightly, when you enter a curve and you can feel the rear slide a little, dont go full throttle+countersteering unless you know it will come back straight quickly, dont brake brutaly unless you were really too fast then your lap is screwed anyway...

Note that it wont be useful on any corners... but if the rear start to get loose, dont panic, brake or try to drift, keep throttle steady and barely countersteer, it will require some practice

When the rear start to slide, barely counter steer(very important to use small steering input) and keep 1/4-1/2 throttle depending the speed and curve, once you feel the car start to grip go full throttle, once you know the car it become predictable and you can almost counter steer before it start to lose grip and then the car just fly!

 

[praiano63]

2001 Acura Integra Type R

Sports Exhaust
99.1% Power Limiter
193HP / 1197KG / 400PP / CS Tires

No aero

I´m impressed, great tune, just one thing, after 3 or 4 laps it stay at 400PP but you can see a difference of power with the ghost of the first lap.
When i went to check the power limiter, i was able to pt it at 99.9% staying 400PP. i think everybody who test the car will have this experience.

 

[mike_gt3]

Thx for the heads up Monsieur praiano!

Its one of the next car i will test, done Jontank5's CRX tonight and started solidsnake's one.

 

[XDesperado67]

I´m impressed, great tune, just one thing, after 3 or 4 laps it stay at 400PP but you can see a difference of power with the ghost of the first lap.
When i went to check the power limiter, i was able to pt it at 99.9% staying 400PP. i think everybody who test the car will have this experience.

All the cars that are running without oil change/engine rebuild will likely have the same issue to a greater or lesser extent. The mileage of the car and how dirty the oil is will affect how soon this becomes a noticeable issue that impacts the lap times and ability of the driver to lay consistent laps.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

All the cars that are running without oil change/engine rebuild will likely have the same issue to a greater or lesser extent. The mileage of the car and how dirty the oil is will affect how soon this becomes a noticeable issue that impacts the lap times and ability of the driver to lay consistent laps.

Eh, depends on the car, and it's generally not any more than 1hp.

 

[XDesperado67]

Eh, depends on the car, and it's generally not any more than 1hp.

Not to quibble with you but during the 600PP shootout praiano's ZZII was losing 2 or 3 PP during testing in only a couple laps of the road course or 4 - 5 laps of the oval. That was enough to see top speed on the oval drop by like 5 mph.
Considering the length of the ring a car could easily lose 1 PP a lap if the oil was sufficiently dirty and the engine high enough mileage meaning a reduced speed in the higher speed sections that could add up to several seconds per lap difference. A difference not due to driver error but to an issue with the car. Of course this is the risk those tuners who opted to go this route took when trying to gain an advantage so they'll have to live with the results.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

His car wasn't fully worn out then, it was just starting its decline. A car that's already got 18,000 miles without an oil change or rebuild on it isn't going to drop much more. Only car I've seen drop was a Super Bee that managed to drop 1hp after a few laps but then drop exactly no more for a long time after.

 

[luv2drive]

And there I tought I was doing "OK"..

Ok that´s it I give up on GT, ill stick to PC MMORPGS , any one want my copy of GT? OR do I just throw it away ?

Dude I'm right there with you. Fastest I've gone in any car is 8:47 so far, and about half I'm having trouble getting under 9:00. I still have many cars to test yet though, so hopefully I'll get better as I turn more laps.

But I think it's all relative. There are some great drivers on this site, and I'm not one of them, but I'm having a blast. It's all about enjoying ourselves, right?

 

[CyKosis1973]

2001 Acura Integra Type R

Oh crap. If I was concerned about RJ squeezing an RX8 in, then I'm just as concerned you've squeezed one of these in. I was hoping everyone might just pass it by. Git...

Second round will be top 10 tuners, every tester that's willing and able.
420PP, 1000KG minimum, free ballast, 0.0% power limiter.

I'll make a more fancy-pants version for the OP shortly.

Lubbly jubbly. I'll make some tentative, non-presumptuous testing later. I think I already have a car in mind.

And there I tought I was doing "OK"..

Ok that´s it I give up on GT, ill stick to PC MMORPGS , any one want my copy of GT? OR do I just throw it away ?

I can see how the differences in times can seem like a chasm at times, but don't let it distract you from the task in hand. Remember that there will always be people who are slower and faster than you by a percentage. That percentage, extrapolate across the length and technical difficulty of this particular track makes for what looks like massive differences. In actuality, the differences are the same across all tracks...

{Cy}

 

[goldian]

Dont look at it this way Goldian, I have a LOT of practice on the ring, and like most said, practice make perfect, on my principal psn account, i have
68000km done, and im sure 70% of that is on the ring only.

Well I figured the fastest would run 8,3x,xxx but come on, there is a few cars i barely get under 9 and some stays at 9 and i see no possible way to get at 8,30,000 with them other cars are at 8,4x and some 8,5x my fastest so far is 8,41 but i still have to retest a few cars, like that focus wich i think will be the first i drop below 8,4x,xxx.

Can you PM me the times u got with the following tunes:
Raver - Mercedes benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 EVO II 91
Oopssosorry- Toyota Celica SS-II (ZZT231) 99
Sheephead99- Lupo

If u also drive those under 8,35,xxx , im pissed
And thanks for the tips, in theory i kind of know them i just need to put them in practice and thats a bit harder.
Im also using a DS3 controller but i should still be able to get faster, im using the 2 analog sticks, the left one to turn, the right one for throttle and acceleration, maybe thats not a great idea for the braking? Since it will take a fw MS more to get into braking comparing to SQUARE. But I mainly switched to the analog stick due to throtle, using X was a bad idea.. its either full power or nothing with that.

As for the video ill be sure to check it I already got 20 secs better with this shootout but i want to be at least in the same 10 secs as you on this track

I can see how the differences in times can seem like a chasm at times, but don't let it distract you from the task in hand. Remember that there will always be people who are slower and faster than you by a percentage. That percentage, extrapolate across the length and technical difficulty of this particular track makes for what looks like massive differences. In actuality, the differences are the same across all tracks...

{Cy}

Yeah indeed I know that if he wins 0,2 sec per curve it will make a huge difference on this track, but still

Ah well thanks everyone I wont give up tho , just kinda ragequitted my PS3 yesterday, gf was happy lol

 

[goldian]

Ok i drove while being pissed at the gap between me and mike, so next car i tested ( not a retest, so first time i drove it)

I got 8,35,459 with a max speed of 225 KMH

Need more motivation!

Well maybe i had some kind of extra motivation in my subconscience, knowing this car was tuned and touched by a female.

 

[Onboy123]

Ok i drove while being pissed at the gap between me and mike, so next car i tested ( not a retest, so first time i drove it)

I got 8,35,459 with a max speed of 225 KMH

Need more motivation!

Well maybe i had some kind of extra motivation in my subconscience, knowing this car was tuned and touched by a female.

GO GOLDIAN GO!!! GO FOR THE GOLD!!!!!

caps

 

[dr_slump]

GO GOLDIAN GO!!! GO FOR THE GOLD!!!!!

caps

Onboy hero should play a bit piano to motivate him?

 

[XDesperado67]

GO GOLDIAN GO!!! GO FOR THE GOLD!!!!!

caps

Run Forest, Run!

 

[krenkme]

Run Forest, Run!

I am suddenly hearing "Eye of the Tiger"

 

[goldian]

Ah come on, dont make a joke out of me. I m trying

 

[Onboy123]

Onboy hero should play a bit piano to motivate him?

Nope. Go away doc.

Ah come on, dont make a joke out of me. I m trying

We're not! We wholehearted support you!

 

[goldian]

Well I also changed something on my controller for faster reaction, using R2 for acceleration and square for braking now.. but no way i can get al lcars on 8,3x,xxx

 

[krenkme]

Ah come on, dont make a joke out of me. I m trying

Like Onboy said, we're not making a joke of you, just glad you are continuing you quest on the "Green Hell". Keep at it. 👍

 

[praiano63]

Round 2

Top 10 tuner entries, any drivers

All rules same as the first round, except as follows:
PP limit will be 420PP
All entries must weigh 1000KG's or more.
The use of power limiter is not allowed at all.
Ballast is free to be added as pleased.
No car from the top 10 in the first round can be entered into the second round, all entries must be with different cars, car boundaries are the same as round 1. No concepts, RM's, race cars, rally cars allowed.

When you say [No car from the top 10 in the first round can be entered into the second round] in the case of the MR2 spyder `02, does the [MR-S V edition (6MT) `02] considered as a ``different car´´ ????

 

[tris_73]

You're doing really well goldian. If I remember correctly, when you first joined this shindig you were looking at 9 minutes as times. Now you've knocked 25 seconds off that. 👍

 

[Blood*Specter]

Goldian

I think they really want you to do well. No one is fast without plenty of lap time. It took guts for you to dive in and roll with the big boy's & girls.
Just have fun.

And I am sure I would do no better than you. I would be worse.

But after this shootout, (maybe before) you will be much better driver.👍

 

[XDesperado67]

@Rallywagon have you posted your tune for the 2000GT yet? If so can you please post a link to it?

Would like to check out what you've done with it.👍👍

 

[praiano63]

@Rallywagon have you posted your tune for the 2000GT yet? If so can you please post a link to it?

Would like to check out what you've done with it.👍👍

Mr golden Goldian post the link yesterday.

here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6284670#post6284670

 

[goldian]

You're doing really well goldian. If I remember correctly, when you first joined this shindig you were looking at 9 minutes as times. Now you've knocked 25 seconds off that. 👍

Goldian

I think they really want you to do well. No one is fast without plenty of lap time. It took guts for you to dive in and roll with the big boy's & girls.
Just have fun.

And I am sure I would do no better than you. I would be worse.

But after this shootout, (maybe before) you will be much better driver.👍

Like Onboy said, we're not making a joke of you, just glad you are continuing you quest on the "Green Hell". Keep at it. 👍

Thanks dudes, well this shootout did help, going 25-30 secs faster since when i started the shootout but still 10-15 to slow

 

[XDesperado67]

Mr golden Goldian post the link yesterday.

here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6284670#post6284670

Thanks amigo and thanks also to Goldian.👍👍

Thought I'd seen a link somewhere but couldn't find it earlier.