400PP World Compact Car Race

True, I can go with that. Maybe use different tires? I don't know, but they certainly shouldn't be forcing aids on in this, or in any event as far as thats concerned. Not when they are advertising it as a real driving simulater. That should be up to the player to decide what aids they want to use. Thats all I'm trying to say here. If Joe Imanoobi wants to use it, thats fine but don't make me have to use it if I don't want to.

Aww gee, that's sad. What I can't understand is why you are even here seeing as how you said you are only interested in Time Trials, and not even the Time Trials in the Seasonals.

We clashed previously because I used SRF to get the lowest PP on a Seasonal event. That generated enough interest for a few good players here to see how low they could go without it. It was fun, and I was able to get pretty close to their times without it also.

New players may find SRF very helpful and add to their enjoyment of the game, notwithstanding more experienced players like yourself hold it in contempt.

But the game is not solely for experienced players, in fact I would suggest that the whole idea of these Seasonals is to get newer players to have a go and become interested in the Seasonals as a whole, eventually progressing to the SRF inhibited TT's.

So give it a rest champ, it's not all about you, these games are for a wide variety of contestants.

Just some more friendly banter between friends.
 
But the game is not solely for experienced players, in fact I would suggest that the whole idea of these Seasonals is to get newer players to have a go and become interested in the Seasonals


I'll sum up the situation in three words:

"Expert Seasonal"
"SRF"

The two together simply make no sense. If it's aimed at new players, then why is it called an "Expert Seasonal Event"?
 
I'll sum up the situation in three words:

"Expert Seasonal"
"SRF"

The two together simply make no sense. If it's aimed at new players, then why is it called an "Expert Seasonal Event"?

Who would play if the title read, Only for Inexperienced Players?

We all know that the word 'Experienced' is used pretty loosely here by the makers.

I would add that it is THE PLACE to build up ones bank balance, thereby attracting every level of player who is in need of some green stuff and who knows about it.

Why experienced players like Cargo' would rail against it at every opportunity beats me completely, and while he is fully entitled to express his opinion it has become a case of 'been there and done that'.
 
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today i opened level 1 ticket and Kusabi was there
i have two in my garage **** :ouch:

Luck of the draw.
The best tickets are the ones not opened...
Why you ask?
Simple...they could be literally anything so they're full of wonder and possibility...once opened regardless of what you get that wonder and possibility is gone.:crazy::lol:
 
i can't understand so much criticism about this event, i dont give a damn aboout SRF is enabled or disabled, i justt enjoy it with either options, PD gave us something diferent in this seazonal , i must say i realy like this seazonal iven if it its a easy one. thanks PD.
 
Aww gee, that's sad. What I can't understand is why you are even here seeing as how you said you are only interested in Time Trials, and not even the Time Trials in the Seasonals.

We clashed previously because I used SRF to get the lowest PP on a Seasonal event. That generated enough interest for a few good players here to see how low they could go without it. It was fun, and I was able to get pretty close to their times without it also.

New players may find SRF very helpful and add to their enjoyment of the game, notwithstanding more experienced players like yourself hold it in contempt.

But the game is not solely for experienced players, in fact I would suggest that the whole idea of these Seasonals is to get newer players to have a go and become interested in the Seasonals as a whole, eventually progressing to the SRF inhibited TT's.

So give it a rest champ, it's not all about you, these games are for a wide variety of contestants.

Just some more friendly banter between friends.

And yet again you fail to read my entire post. Bottom line: If John Imanoobi wants to use SRF or any other aids, thats fine, I don't have a problem with that. My problem is that I think it is wrong to have SRF, or any aid for that fact, forced on. I don't want to use it. If you want to use it, thats fine, but don't force me to use it. This is why we always have a problem Dalone, because you can't seem to bother to read my entire post or prefer to switch it around for your benifit to take your stupid shots at my views. Read what I post and understand what I'm saying.

EDIT: I "rail" against it, as you say, because I don't want to use SRF and don't want to be forced to. Why can't you understand that. I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. You make no sense.
 
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SRF or not, it is what it is. It is up to PD and their Seasonal Event planners...

I am just enjoying it mainly because of the smaller cars being used. Ford Ka '01...PP375 is almost too easy! Though I wish I can swing the car around a bit more, but it is what it is.
 
My problem is that I think it is wrong to have SRF, or any aid for that fact, forced on.

This is mine and many others main gripe, with this seasonal and the Christmas seasonal races because it would be nice to have a choice to use it or not. Being forced off is fine for me in most cases when it comes to aids (e.g. in license tests and special events) but when they're forced on like in NASCAR (ASM is forced on and you can't have ABS 0) and in this Seasonal I really disagree with that.
 
This is mine and many others main gripe, with this seasonal and the Christmas seasonal races because it would be nice to have a choice to use it or not. Being forced off is fine for me in most cases when it comes to aids (e.g. in license tests and special events) but when they're forced on like in NASCAR (ASM is forced on and you can't have ABS 0) and in this Seasonal I really disagree with that.

Exactly. Hell, I'll even go as far as to say that it is wrong to have SRF forced off. Leave all aids optional. That way, the ones that want to use them can and the ones that don't want to, don't have to. If there are going to be driving aids in the game, make them optional.
 
Exactly. Hell, I'll even go as far as to say that it is wrong to have SRF forced off. Leave all aids optional. That way, the ones that want to use them can and the ones that don't want to, don't have to. If there are going to be driving aids in the game, make them optional.

For most events and races/seasonals they are optional, but when they're forced on/off PD must think it's done to either make them harder or easier. Either way it's forcing certain parameters onto the events that would make it easier for some and harder for others.

This seasonal is easy enough, why the need to make it even easier with SRF forced on? It makes no sense. And if this is the way the seasonals are going then people will stop doing them, because they're way too easy and the prize for this one at least is terrible.

But one thing I'm enjoying in it is being able to race these kind of cars against each other without using Arcade Mode. And on good tracks like Nurb 24H too.

EDIT: Just been thinking it's designed for newbies but at the same time it alienates the more experienced drivers. I'm all for enabling new drivers to get better, but isn't that what A-Spec offline is for and the Special Events/License tests? I think the seasonal events should be a step up, because when I was starting out I didn't have events like this, so I had to learn the hard way, by doing it repeatedly until I won.
 
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For those that are struggling, use a Toyota 2000GT '67 if you have one. Even at 360PP, it is still laughably quicker than the AI on the straights. It's a good handling car too.

This is what I used at 370PP. Won all races the first go, even Eifel - albeit on the final turn.
 
Tried with my 400pp Delta HF Integrale Evo and got bronze on first race (I need a tune for this thing) so went to a BMW Z4 '03 bone stock from dealer not even an oil change - 1st use
Too easy...
- Autumn Ring Mini - 1st on lap 6 or 7 and lapped 2-3 cars, consistent mid 0:45 laps, over 700k payout
- Rome / Reverse - 1st on lap 3, ~1:28 laps, over 800k payout
- Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - a little better with a Mini Cooper S in there, didn't get 1st until turn 1 of lap 5, consistent 1:50.xxx laps , over 900k payout
- Nurburging 24hr - love this track, didn't pass the Focus until around 9:00 near Sprunghugel area, 10:59.951 lap, over 1.1m payout
- Eifel (Kart) - Grr first attempt lost by .080!!! Second attempt I hit it hard with 1:26-1:28 laps and won by just under 5 seconds, over 830k payout
 
Tried with my 400pp Delta HF Integrale Evo and got bronze on first race (I need a tune for this thing) so went to a BMW Z4 '03 bone stock from dealer not even an oil change - 1st use
Too easy...
- Autumn Ring Mini - 1st on lap 6 or 7 and lapped 2-3 cars, consistent mid 0:45 laps, over 700k payout
- Rome / Reverse - 1st on lap 3, ~1:28 laps, over 800k payout
- Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - a little better with a Mini Cooper S in there, didn't get 1st until turn 1 of lap 5, consistent 1:50.xxx laps , over 900k payout
- Nurburging 24hr - love this track, didn't pass the Focus until around 9:00 near Sprunghugel area, 10:59.951 lap, over 1.1m payout
- Eifel (Kart) - Grr first attempt lost by .080!!! Second attempt I hit it hard with 1:26-1:28 laps and won by just under 5 seconds, over 830k payout
For the Delta all you need is transmission (Autumn Ring mini) at 180 to get max acceleration and tune the differential to be balanced on both sets of wheels and the ballast should be a bit heavy to allow a new ECU (PP wise).
 
Who would play if the title read, Only for Inexperienced Players?

We all know that the word 'Experienced' is used pretty loosely here by the makers.

I would add that it is THE PLACE to build up ones bank balance, thereby attracting every level of player who is in need of some green stuff and who knows about it.

Why experienced players like Cargo' would rail against it at every opportunity beats me completely, and while he is fully entitled to express his opinion it has become a case of 'been there and done that'.

Sorry but this point of view is wrong. ANY forced aid is the wrong approach for experienced or inexperienced players. Especially in an Event with these specs. There's plenty of ways to earn lots of credits, that's silly plus can't a new player turn on SRF on their own? I mean really.

My son was 8 when GT5 came out and learned to drive with only ABS. He could be competitive in any ASpec event after some practice. He would laugh at how easy it was when SRF was on.

Now maybe these events are still a challenge with SRF, I don't know. Is the AI setting really fast times? It's hard for me to get much interest in trying them out.

CS tires at 400pp is not some sort of difficult spec. With the latest physics update, road tires have far better progression than ever. CS tires probably correspond to a real life HP summer tire. At the risk of offending anyone, if you're having difficulty driving a 400pp car on CS's you need track time not your hand being held.

What really concerns me is if the forced SRF is the way PD will handle seasonals now. This is 2 in a row. The rain event, I could kind of understand it. But this spec doesn't make any sense.
 
For the Delta all you need is transmission (Autumn Ring mini) at 180 to get max acceleration and tune the differential to be balanced on both sets of wheels and the ballast should be a bit heavy to allow a new ECU (PP wise).

Thank you! Honestly I used to love the Delta, that Z4 sure was a blast though.
 
Sorry but this point of view is wrong. ANY forced aid is the wrong approach for experienced or inexperienced players. Especially in an Event with these specs. There's plenty of ways to earn lots of credits, that's silly plus can't a new player turn on SRF on their own? I mean really.

My son was 8 when GT5 came out and learned to drive with only ABS. He could be competitive in any ASpec event after some practice. He would laugh at how easy it was when SRF was on.

Now maybe these events are still a challenge with SRF, I don't know. Is the AI setting really fast times? It's hard for me to get much interest in trying them out.

CS tires at 400pp is not some sort of difficult spec. With the latest physics update, road tires have far better progression than ever. CS tires probably correspond to a real life HP summer tire. At the risk of offending anyone, if you're having difficulty driving a 400pp car on CS's you need track time not your hand being held.

What really concerns me is if the forced SRF is the way PD will handle seasonals now. This is 2 in a row. The rain event, I could kind of understand it. But this spec doesn't make any sense.

Thank you. Finally someone understands where I'm coming from. I don't have a problem with people using aids, just don't make me use them if I don't want to.
 
Pathetically easy seasonal.

Sorry to keep harping on about the SRF but I want to chip in my disgust at this forced aid.

I did this event in my S2000 with a power limiter installed and the wing removed, with one hand.. while watching television..
Seriously.. I don't know what's going on in PDs heads, I normally wouldn't be 'jumping to conclusions' like this but I feel like I've been spat in the face.

I first played GT1 when I was what.. 4/5 years old? Yeah I sucked at first and it took me ages to figure out how /anything/ worked. But I started picking it up and by the time GT2 came out I was a decent driver.

So after 15 years of working at my driving and eternal loyalty to the game that made my childhood and has been a part of my life more than my own family was, I get training wheels bolted on to me so that "everyone can be on the same level and everyone gets a fair chance, cause the new people who just got it for christmas might not be as good as you are"

Okay. No. That's fine PD. But I've never said a WORD about SRF, I never even batted an eyelid at it. I went "huh, that's an interesting way of having an easy mode" and moved on.

But forcing me to use something where I can put a brick on my accelerator and steer with my feet and still win is just insulting to my intelligence and the intelligence of the people who just picked up Academy Edition for Xmas or your religious equivilant.

I ignored it for christmas because of the timing and the fact the cars we were using would actually be rather hard for new drivers to manage, especially with the weather thrown in, but this is very different.

I do apologise for the rant it's not something I'd normally do, I just genuinely feel insulted.

I guess at the end of the day it's not forced on outside of this event and I don't /have to do it/ (though my OCD requires me to complete every event so.. good luck with that one brain) I just.. yeah.
I dunno, it just hurts in a way that I never thought I could be hurt.
Normally I'd just remember it's a big corporation and it's in no way a personal dig, but this is different in a very weird way.
 
This event isn't so hard . I manage until now to finish all the races except Eifel (Kart) using a BMW M Coupe ' 98 . At Mazda Raceway Laguna i did it even with 355 PP .
 
Pathetically easy seasonal.

Sorry to keep harping on about the SRF but I want to chip in my disgust at this forced aid.

I did this event in my S2000 with a power limiter installed and the wing removed, with one hand.. while watching television..
Seriously.. I don't know what's going on in PDs heads, I normally wouldn't be 'jumping to conclusions' like this but I feel like I've been spat in the face.

I first played GT1 when I was what.. 4/5 years old? Yeah I sucked at first and it took me ages to figure out how /anything/ worked. But I started picking it up and by the time GT2 came out I was a decent driver.

So after 15 years of working at my driving and eternal loyalty to the game that made my childhood and has been a part of my life more than my own family was, I get training wheels bolted on to me so that "everyone can be on the same level and everyone gets a fair chance, cause the new people who just got it for christmas might not be as good as you are"

Okay. No. That's fine PD. But I've never said a WORD about SRF, I never even batted an eyelid at it. I went "huh, that's an interesting way of having an easy mode" and moved on.

But forcing me to use something where I can put a brick on my accelerator and steer with my feet and still win is just insulting to my intelligence and the intelligence of the people who just picked up Academy Edition for Xmas or your religious equivilant.

I ignored it for christmas because of the timing and the fact the cars we were using would actually be rather hard for new drivers to manage, especially with the weather thrown in, but this is very different.

I do apologise for the rant it's not something I'd normally do, I just genuinely feel insulted.

I guess at the end of the day it's not forced on outside of this event and I don't /have to do it/ (though my OCD requires me to complete every event so.. good luck with that one brain) I just.. yeah.
I dunno, it just hurts in a way that I never thought I could be hurt.
Normally I'd just remember it's a big corporation and it's in no way a personal dig, but this is different in a very weird way.

I feel your pain my friend, I really do. Let me explain a bit further my distaste with SRF being forced on.
From day one, I have driven with only ABS 1, even with a controller for like the first 6 months till I got my wheel. I did this for one reason, and one reason only. I wanted to develope my skillset right from the beginning with no aids, except for the ABS 1 which seemed to be the mainstream and what most everyone was using at first. Plus, it is a realistic aid as most cars have ABS.

Anyhow, I continued on, developing my skillset as realistic as possible. I learned car control, basic and advanced driving skills as its applied to circuit racing. Throttle control, braking, steering, ect. as in slow in, fast out, trailbraking, correct racing lines and everything.

Now along comes SRF which totally throws all that I have worked hard to learn, right out the window. You can just mash the gas and go. No driving skill involved really. Its like driving on a velcro track with velcro tires. Totally goes against every skill I have developed over the last 2 1/2 years. I absolutly hate it with a passion.

Now, having said that, if others want to use that aid, or any other aid, thats fine. I don't have one problem with that at all and will not look down on anyone who does use them. I may take a friendly jab at someone here and there about it, but thats all it is, just a friendly ribbing.

PD can solve this whole thing just by turning all aids off (not locking them off) and let the people that want to use them turn them on themselves. I can't see what is so hard about that. Instead, they force them on and turn the game into an arcade racer, turning the cars into insane grip monsters allowing you to drive unrealistically.

The sub-title to this game is "The Real Driving Simulator." There is nothing real about having SRF forced on. Its just another arcade racer that way if you ask me and goes against everything I have learned about circuit racing.

Hope this clears things up to some who seem to have a problem with me and my views on the situation. If you want to use an aid, go ahead, but don't make me use it if I don't want to.
 
Now along comes SRF which totally throws all that I have worked hard to learn, right out the window. You can just mash the gas and go. No driving skill involved really. Its like driving on a velcro track with velcro tires. Totally goes against every skill I have developed over the last 2 1/2 years. I absolutly hate it with a passion.

This is the main part I was getting at, because of how broken the game becomes using this aid I had to intentionally not pay attention or I would try and drive how I've been brought up to drive for the past 15 years which results in nothing but misery and frustration.
Hence driving with one hand (though I normally do that anyway) and only vaguely paying attention with my foot welded to the floor.

Now, having said that, if others want to use that aid, or any other aid, thats fine. I don't have one problem with that at all and will not look down on anyone who does use them
Exactly, Like I said I don't care if Bobby Jones uses SRF because he doesn't feel up to driving with 'real' physics. Couldn't care less. Even in online lobbies the room I frequent has one person who always uses SRF and I have to try my absolute hardest to keep up with him, I don't mind losing to him even when he's using that aid because that's just how I am. I'm having fun pushing my car and myself to our limit, the place I come is meaningless.


The sub-title to this game is "The Real Driving Simulator." There is nothing real about having SRF forced on. Its just another arcade racer that way if you ask me and goes against everything I have learned about circuit racing.
That's the thing that gets me, both "The real driving simulator" and "Expert series". Because in this situation both are false and it makes me both incredibly sad and frustrated.
 
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Used a 1970 Mitsubishi Galant GTO. Won Eifel a few corners before last after delibarately crashing a lupo and a micra off course, slowing myself down for giggles. For Nurburg 24hr, I got the car down to about 335pp ish and overtook just before the main straight. Oh, and SRF forced on? Just why?

I'd recommend it, I still had about 160bhp at 335pp. The power band was hopeless, though.

EDIT: My mistake, 325pp. 160BHP, and 1,072kg. Should be noted that I did cut corners. Though I went off a few times before I overtook the leading Mini.

Oh, and another recommendation. Due to PD's recent... "re-adjustment", let's say, of the PP ratings, Front engine, rear wheel drive is the way to go. 4WD's and FWD's are not a good idea. (just in case anyone didn't already know)
 
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Tried the nurb 24h with the Isuzu Bellet GT-R '69

312pp with a 11:06.xxx almost 2 sec. in front of the Mini.

2,033,589cr with 200% bonus.
 
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