450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

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For the hell of it, I spec'd out a '99 Celica to be as close to the Trial Celica as possible. Same weight and slightly more power. I installed equivalent parts to get the same redline then set the same gears, LSD, and suspension. I also put the wing on with the same downforce. For torque and hp, I could only go slightly under or slightly over, so I chose slightly over. The curves looked pretty similar when all was said and done.

On the track, the Trial Celica is easy to drive. Absolutely no entry understeer and very little power understeer. Mid corner you actually get slight oversteer. Virtually no wheel slip out of 2nd gear turns. The car is a dream come true for FFs.

Switch to the Street tuned Celica. What a piece of garbage. The settings just don't work. Understeer, wheelslip, understeer. Any amount of gas applied mid corner would just shoot the car wide off the track. It burned up the tires in 2nd gear so I had to exit in 3rd which was pretty sluggish. I was 5 plus seconds off pace in a car that had more power and looked way better on paper. I upgraded the tires from SS to RH to see if I could keep up. That got me within 1 second but it was unnatural. I was cheating in the brake zones and still running wide exiting the corners.

Conclusion: Even though the trial Celica states it has no front downforce, it does. Or it has super wide tires up front. Something is keeping the nose planted and wheels on the ground. I even tried tweaking the ride height of the street car. Going to min height felt better but it didn't resolve the lack of grip.
 
The Trial car was ported from GT4, and with my knowledge of PD, I can safely assume that they ported over the handling characteristics as well.

In GT4 it was a 10mil credit time attack car. You'll never get the same performance from a stock chassis car in this game.
 
ZohsixGT5
A little late but, here's a pic from GT night:
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Is that me, way in the back ground? :(

The GT night was a blast. I will be doing that again. I want to try out a few more cars. I've also thought of adding another requirement:

* 600 HP
* 1600 Kg
* 2-Door (I think they should all be two-seat, but I can live with the 2+2s)
* Front-engine (or front-mid) rear wheel drive
* 100,000 Cr. base price (you can still use the Viper and Corvette, and possibly Callaway, but no cheap American muscle cars, except the Transcammer, which was crap).

I'm thinking of upping the weight, too. I need to look at some of the Mercedes. I saw one that starts at 2200 Kg. I don't know how low it can go. I don't want to make it too heavy, though. Maybe between 1680 and 1720.

chuyler1
For the hell of it, I spec'd out a '99 Celica to be as close to the Trial Celica as possible.
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I did this with a GT-R, speccing it to the Mine's GT-R. It did work a bit. The Mine's does get much more downforce, and I couldn't match up the torque curves but so well. Mind you, the bare-base GT-R is pretty stable.

I was bummed that I didn't make the tuner night, but it sounds like lag was a huge issue, so... don't guess it was so bad.
 
dudeondacouch
The Trial car was ported from GT4, and with my knowledge of PD, I can safely assume that they ported over the handling characteristics as well.

In GT4 it was a 10mil credit time attack car. You'll never get the same performance from a stock chassis car in this game.
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Thanks for the info, I didn't spend much time playing GT4. It does handle great...more oversteer online than offline but any oversteer is a dream when you're dealing with an FF car. I did install the chassis stiftening and I made sure to do an engine and chassis refresh on my street car. I just wonder what is going on under the hood. Tires? Downforce? Chassis stiffness?
 
chuyler1
Esh, this is lag. Are you sure someone wasn't watching Netflix at your house last night or downloading bittorrents? Everyone on the track was lagging. Nic was the worst but when you switched to my view it was still pretty jumpy.
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Positive. I don't think it was me though, especially considering how you were viewed by everyone else on Suzuka. Leadbedr left and came back because of it and then the helicopter. I've never seen lag like that and definitely not racing with you guys.
 
Vol Jbolaz
I was able to pass whomever drove it. And I'm slow.
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I drove it. That one wasn't set up for a track like Trial mountain. Everytime I crested a hill while on the gas the torque would break the back end loose.

It wasn't the car, it was how the suspension was set up.




And most of my GT cars were to light, even with 200kg of ballast to race at 1600kg.
 
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k_riens
And most of my GT cars were to light, even with 200kg of ballast to race at 1600kg.
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Which cars were those?

I remember the Viper, which was plenty heavy enough. There was also a Monaro. That may have been too light, but it was also too cheap, so I don't care about its weight.
 
The Corvettes I didn't run were too light at the time. The Ferraris I didn't run were too light at the time. The Callaways I didn't run were too light.

That GTO I did run only had 521 hp.
 
k_riens
The Corvettes I didn't run were too light at the time. The Ferraris I didn't run were too light at the time. The Callaways I didn't run were too light.

That GTO I did run only had 521 hp.
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There are some Corvettes that are heavy enough. And the Callaway is 1480 stock. Even if I raise the limit to 1680, the Callaway can still enter.

I would actually like to drive a Callaway. I adore it in my limited A-Spec usage, but it is very twitchy online.

Both front-engined Ferrari are heavy enough. The rest of the Ferrari are mid-engined supercars, not proper Grand Tourers.

The GTO is less than 100,000 Cr. so I don't care about it.
 
Jeez... online taking the piss again.

Now it's hanging when I open my garage. Not locking up, mind you, just hanging for like 30 seconds. Something is wreaking havoc with this game.
 
I think it is partly due to PSN. The game is constantly trying to obtain info. Sign out if you aren't racing online and the menus load faster.
 
chuyler1
For the hell of it, I spec'd out a '99 Celica to be as close to the Trial Celica as possible. Same weight and slightly more power. I installed equivalent parts to get the same redline then set the same gears, LSD, and suspension. I also put the wing on with the same downforce. For torque and hp, I could only go slightly under or slightly over, so I chose slightly over. The curves looked pretty similar when all was said and done.

On the track, the Trial Celica is easy to drive. Absolutely no entry understeer and very little power understeer. Mid corner you actually get slight oversteer. Virtually no wheel slip out of 2nd gear turns. The car is a dream come true for FFs.

Switch to the Street tuned Celica. What a piece of garbage. The settings just don't work. Understeer, wheelslip, understeer. Any amount of gas applied mid corner would just shoot the car wide off the track. It burned up the tires in 2nd gear so I had to exit in 3rd which was pretty sluggish. I was 5 plus seconds off pace in a car that had more power and looked way better on paper. I upgraded the tires from SS to RH to see if I could keep up. That got me within 1 second but it was unnatural. I was cheating in the brake zones and still running wide exiting the corners.

Conclusion: Even though the trial Celica states it has no front downforce, it does. Or it has super wide tires up front. Something is keeping the nose planted and wheels on the ground. I even tried tweaking the ride height of the street car. Going to min height felt better but it didn't resolve the lack of grip.
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I think the Trial is lightened (see carbon hood) and some weight was added to ballance it out.
It looks like they have the same weight ballance (55/45) but mustn´t be the case. You don´t know how much to the front or rear the ballast(and how much) was added.Some clicks to the front or rear can make a big difference.
LSD , Tranny and Suspension is easy to replicate.The power parts is a other problem.
Not to forget the Trial is a 1900cc and the normal one is a 1800cc.

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You don´t get the Spring Rate as high as the Trial has , with a Height-Adjustable Suspension in the normal Celica. ;)


raVer
 
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Hayyyy!!! Driving by myself for three races was fun.

Though, in all fairness, I was faster than Leadbedr's car at La Sarthe, but someone else threw me into the wall. So running that race by myself wasn't my fault.

Still, I really need to find a group of not-super-fast-drivers. :)
 
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