450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

[RockinVs]

and also... are lots of people adding rear downforce to these modern muscle cars for stability?

 

[chuyler1]

I tend to stay away from downforce at 450pp...but at 500pp a few clicks might help with those high speed turns.

 

[watermelon punch]

As a spectator last night's races were very entertaining. I love the old cars!! And I'm jealous of whoever it was using the Cosmo... I could not drive anywhere near that fast in the Cosmo on comfort tires on tarmac(or whatever that's called.)
It was funny hearing people talk about being on ice skates. I have a sister who's an adult amateur competition figure skater (like at one point her time rented on the ice was right after an olympic gold medalist's allotted time), and she skates 2 hours a day 6 days a week. Needless to say, though I can skate, she skates circles around me. And that's sometimes how I feel when I get into some online races. LOL

Anyway, chuyler1 is right... a ds3 is not the whole story, and not necessarily an excuse. First I see plenty of ds3 users who are unbelievably fast (from my point of view especially ). Bottom line is, no matter if you use a wheel or a ds3, it all comes down to PRACTICE... as well as figuring out what works best for you in working with what you've got.
And I use a ds3, and I cannot imagine how or why someone would put the throttle AND brake on buttons/etc where it would force you to use the same finger to control both, or preventing you from doing both at once at times. (This is particularly important to be able to do if you're using automatic!!) And as for manual on the ds3, the thought of using the same finger to brake & downshift sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

[sl3ight]

When I use the DS3 I use X and Square for gas and brake. I lay my thumb across them (middle on X, tip on Square) so I can use both at the same time. I also steer with the d pad rather than the sticks. The buttons are a lot faster responding than the sticks.

I'd never use the DS3 by choice, but I'm just as fast with it as I am with my Fanatec GT2. The DS3 is even better for low grip sometimes because it's so easy to countersteer with it.

 

[esoxhntr]

I think I use an odd ds3 configuration

for accel I use the R2
for gear up I use 'x'

for brake i use []
for gear down i use R1

steer with the stick

i do need the finesse of R2 for accel but the [] is finesse enough for brake (propably wouldn't be if I didn't use ABS = 1)

 

[BrosifDuder]

I think I use an odd ds3 configuration

for accel I use the R2
for gear up I use 'x'

for brake i use []
for gear down i use R1

steer with the stick

i do need the finesse of R2 for accel but the [] is finesse enough for brake (propably wouldn't be if I didn't use ABS = 1)

Wow. How did you come up with those settings?

 

[BTK]

Wow. How did you come up with those settings?

Seems too me like the stock PS2 settings on some racing games. I remember all the NASCAR games used a setup VERY similar if not the same.

 

[chuyler1]

Wow, lots of weird DS3 button configurations. I'm not very good with it, but I did well in GT4 using left stick to steer and right stick for gas/brake. Then I use the triggers to shift. Occasionally when I'm messing around I do this in GT5 but I'm not very consistent. My driving style doesn't require gas and brake at the same time (except for with really fast cars like the FGT). I know I give up 10ths here and there with my reaction time switching between the two...but it forces me to be more deliberate with when I choose to brake. I rarely miss brake zones unless I misjudge how much faster I'm driving in the draft. In fact, on some tracks with these low pp vehicles I don't even use 100% braking.

Watch the video I posted above. At about 4:00 you can see some of my laps. I hit max brake for maybe a second before trailing off into turn 1. I'm very slow into the throttle and I modulate it quite a bit based on how much oversteer I detect in the wheel.

Contrast that to some of diablo's laps in the same video. I think he may be tapping the button to get partial throttle. Quite amazing that he can run similar lap times like that.

 

[Nicktune]

When I use the DS3 I use X and Square for gas and brake. I lay my thumb across them (middle on X, tip on Square) so I can use both at the same time. I also steer with the d pad rather than the sticks. The buttons are a lot faster responding than the sticks.

Same here...I play just like in Gran Turismo 1 (we got pressure sensitive controller since ps2)But I still tap the button like a ps1 controller Full on or Full off (most of the time)👍

(middle on X, tip on Square) so I can use both at the same time.

Very useful to get extra stability (high speed deceleration while cornering)

 

[-raVer-]

In Tourist Trophy this is called "Cheat Breaking"


raVer

 

[esoxhntr]

Wow. How did you come up with those settings?

The 'x' for gas just wasn't cutting it anymore.. I saw posts on here suggesting L2/R2 for brake/gas. That was a big leap and felt very weird so I thought I'd try just the R2 for gas and get used to that first.

I couldn't use R1 as gear up while using R2 for gas (odd to shift up while pressing down on R2) so that had to move to "X" . Conversly, I needed to assign gear down to something other than the circle, x and triangle buttons (again odd to push another one of those buttons while holding []) so to R1 it went. Downshifting while accelerating and Upshifting while braking are the only times I need to use a finger on two buttons at once but, neither one of those situations happen very often.

So the left hand is purely for steering and right hand controls gas/brake/gear up/gear down. I think I lost the ability to flash high/low beams with this config.

At this point, I see no need to use L2 for brake - I can use the [] button for that just fine so this is what I've arrived at.

 

[RockinVs]

when i first moved to the r2/l2 for gas and break, it was difficult as well.

i found that using the right stick for shifting works well, since the right thumb really didnt have much to do anymore.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

The DS3 is even better for low grip sometimes because it's so easy to countersteer with it.

I find it very hard to countersteer with the DS3, which is why I prefer cars that understeer over cars that oversteer.

I do have to echo the sentiment about practice.

I took a bone stock EK Civic Type-R around the TGTT. The best I could manage was a 1:40. We had a shuffle race, and someone in the room got that car and was four seconds faster. I watched the replay. He isn't taking a different line than me. I can't play them side by side, but all I can figure is, he is braking later and/or getting on the gas sooner.

I really feel I'm braking as late as I can without overshooting the corner and I'm getting on the gas as soon as I can given the fact that the car understeers horribly. It is just that intangible thing. That extra car length or two that he waits or something. I don't know.

Mind you, my time was in a private lobby and his was in a public room. I've heard there are differences, but I don't suspect they are 4 second differences.

 

[watermelon punch]

If I have to use the same finger for throttle and brake, I just can't modulate well enough on either.
So that's why that thumb version of heel/toe wouldn't help me.
Also I tend to find in some situations, I can go faster with the ABS off... and I need to be able to be at least somewhat sensitive with the braking.

But even generally, if I did full on or full off with brake or throttle, I wouldn't be able to do anything at all. I don't know how you can drive at all without utilizing the pressure sensitivity. I'm not particularly good at it, but if I didn't even try and just jammed both either on or off - I would have quite a miserable time of it I'm sure!

But mainly the issue with me is that I think my brain likes it better when I'm using 2 different fingers. I think it helps with my reaction time somehow if the signals are going to different fingers for each process. I have absolutely no scientific basis for this idea. But that's just what it seems like is going on. It would be kind of like with typing, if I suddenly had to do all vowel characters with one hand, I wouldn't be able to type as fast as I do... (unless maybe if I was typing in Polish it wouldn't matter so much. )

 

[chuyler1]

Trail braking allows you to brake later into turns. By keeping light pressure on the brake, it keeps weight forward on thhe front tires giving them more grip for higher entry speed without understeering. Watch his video again and see if he is trailing the brakes into turns.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

Trail braking allows you to brake later into turns. By keeping light pressure on the brake, it keeps weight forward on thhe front tires giving them more grip for higher entry speed without understeering. Watch his video again and see if he is trailing the brakes into turns.

Now that is something that is interesting. I will have to look at that.

I use R/L 2 for throttle/brake. I do find them better. But I can't smoothly go through the entire range of either of them. As a test, I will hold the brake. Then I will slowly squeeze the throttle and watch the throttle indicator on the heads-up. It jumps from 0 to about 20%. Then jumps up to about 80%. Then jumps up to full. It doesn't smoothly rise.

At times, I really want pedals more so than a steering wheel.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Autumn Ring vid response:

I pushed Chuyler out on first lap and at 9:30ish he returned the favor.

Oh well. Can wait to run my Sho w/spoiler tonight! Just kidding

 

[watermelon punch]

Trail braking allows you to brake later into turns. By keeping light pressure on the brake, it keeps weight forward on thhe front tires giving them more grip for higher entry speed without understeering

Thanks for that explanation I do that a lot (especially on sweeping turns), but I had no clue why exactly it was effective.
I just know it's a lot more effective w/ ABS off (if I can manage it).
Can you tell me why that is? Why ABS interferes with it? From what I understood about ABS (as it's been explained to me), I should think that ABS would help with that, but it doesn't.

At times, I really want pedals more so than a steering wheel.

I've said that all along! I could care less about having a steering wheel or feeling like I'm in a real car or any of that kind of thing. I'd just like a way to break up the duties by putting them on more limbs.

 

[chuyler1]

Autumn Ring vid response:

I pushed Chuyler out on first lap and at 9:30ish he returned the favor.

Oh well. Can wait to run my Sho w/spoiler tonight! Just kidding

I didnt exactly push you out...you went wide and i occupied the inside line by the time you got a hold of your understeer. I actually left quite a bit of room to avoid using you to turn. I didnt remember you pushing me out at the beginning.

 

[BrosifDuder]

This waiting is excrutiating.

 

[chuyler1]

Room is open. Send friend req before joining as i will likely be kicking people not on my list.

1472-6118-4130-9224-1949

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

Talking about my Civic lap time versus the one in the shuffle race: I just realized that new from the dealer, my car only has 171 HP. I assume to get the advertised 189, one has to perform an oil change. I haven't done that, yet.

Do the cars in the shuffle race already have the oil change? Was his already running at 189? That could account for some of the difference.

 

[dudeondacouch]

Room is open. Send friend req before joining as i will likely be kicking people not on my list.

1472-6118-4130-9224-1949

I thought this was supposed to be clean racing?

First race was like bumper cars. Got punted more than once and the offender didn't acknowledge or wait. 👎

 

[-raVer-]

Talking about my Civic lap time versus the one in the shuffle race: I just realized that new from the dealer, my car only has 171 HP. I assume to get the advertised 189, one has to perform an oil change. I haven't done that, yet.

Do the cars in the shuffle race already have the oil change? Was his already running at 189? That could account for some of the difference.

How much is the difference?

I think the shuffle race runs with the broken in engine.


raVer

 

[Jujubean]

I am pretty excited for Rally night, as rallying has always been fascinating to me. However, I haven't really mastered it yet, so I will be practicing for a good portion of the day tomorrow (day off ), if anyone wants to join me in my lounge.

Also, anyone have any good rally tuning tips they want to share? I tried doing a search but didn't come up with too much.

 

[BTK]

Some pretty sweet racing last night, first race was a little rough, but I'm not going too cry over it. Laguna was great for me, Osprey and I were in a great dogfight last lap. But turns out, he didn't even see my car on track. Which caused too accidentally punt me last corner, but it's not a big deal.

 

[sl3ight]

Multiplayer is gonna be down for maintenance from 10-11pm Eastern tonight.

 

[Jujubean]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Maybe it will be for the best though.

They did say the next update wouldn't come out until the PSN store was back up.
The PSN store is back up.

Maybe this will make for a new and improved multiplayer experience!

 

[sl3ight]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Maybe it will be for the best though.

They did say the next update wouldn't come out until the PSN store was back up.
The PSN store is back up.

Maybe this will make for a new and improved multiplayer experience!

I hope so. There's still quite a lot they need to fix.

 

[chuyler1]

I thought this was supposed to be clean racing?

First race was like bumper cars. Got punted more than once and the offender didn't acknowledge or wait. 👎

Yes, it should be clean. I have said it on numerous occasions that people need to adjust their braking points entering turn 1 on this track. You can't draft someone into the turn and expect to use their same braking point. The same goes for the bus stop. Also leave a little room for lag. You don't have to ride their bumper through the turn.

I didn't watch the entire race, but I did see this mishap. You appeared to be holding the center of the track so I stayed low. Then you dropped down right in front of me. Given that my car doesn't change course, i'd say the incident is on you...or you can blame lag.