6th Gen Chevrolet Camaro: 2017 ZL1, Z/28

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Whoa! :eek: If the V6 coupe weighs that much with manual, I'd say it's sure bet that the V8 will be at 3900lbs+, especially if it's convertible and auto.
 
Leonidae@MFT
Whoa! :eek: If the V6 coupe weighs that much with manual, I'd say it's sure bet that the V8 will be at 3900lbs+, especially if it's convertible and auto.
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The weight of the outgoing 5th gen is over 3,700 lb (2015). The new 6th gen Camaros will be 200-300 lb lighter depending on model.
 
Man, if the Camaro really is going to be that much lighter; then I can't wait to see how it performs on the race track.
 
Leonidae@MFT
Whoa! :eek: If the V6 coupe weighs that much with manual, I'd say it's sure bet that the V8 will be at 3900lbs+, especially if it's convertible and auto.
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Its a fair bet. The word from GM has been that, just like the coupe, the convertible loses 200-300 lbs depending on configuration. A Zeta-bodied SS Convertible was over 4100 lbs with the automatic, seems to make sense.
 
How come it's so much heavier than the Mustang despite of being roughly same size and shape? And they even used plastic parts in the suspension to shave some weight.. OK, the 4-cyl turbo is lighter than the Boostang, by some 70-80lbs, but still..
 
I'm not sure if you read that Autoblog article I linked earlier, or maybe it didn't answer your question, but regarding the Mustang...

Oppenheiser
We wanted to take advantage of this lightweight, efficient, and structurally superior architecture. In a sense, remove the stigma of mass from the Camaro. I'll give you an interesting thought here: The Mustang went from solid axle to independent rear suspension. Engineers know that you're going to add about 150 pounds to do that. Just the physics of IRS. We go from fifth gen to sixth gen, still have IRS, but we have a 300-pound weight reduction on the V6 to the V6. So somehow we were able to do it.
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catamount39
Which is sad...I don't care what anyone says...it's sad. How come these things weigh like small moons?
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We still comparing the newly redesigned Mustang to the outgoing Camaro?

The weights should be close when the new Camaro hits the streets.

2015 V6 Mustang: ~3,500lbs
2015 V6 Camaro: ~3,700lbs

Now I wasn't the best in math, but factor in a 200lb weight loss for the new one, the two cars should be close.
 
The V8 Camaro is 200lbs lighter, the V6 is 300lbs. Plus you can't get any performance options on the V6 Mustang.
 
catamount39
I'm not a Camaro/Mustang (or Ford/GM for that matter) expert...which has metal and which has plastic?
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Camaro suspension has bits made of plastic for weight savings. That said, I'm quite interested in the materials chemistry. Should be good if they made like BMW and developed their own CFRP type of superplastic. But it's GM, so I hope it's not made from recycled dashboards.
 
05XR8
Will it be a good drive though? Thats what it all comes down to. No matter the weight loss.
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In theory - it'll be good, the Alpha chassis is widely regarded to be one of the best platforms out there right now. Thing is, since its GM, it'll be the refinement of the drivetrain that'll let it down, as it has been, forever.
 
Omnis
Camaro suspension has bits made of plastic for weight savings. That said, I'm quite interested in the materials chemistry. Should be good if they made like BMW and developed their own CFRP type of superplastic. But it's GM, so I hope it's not made from recycled dashboards.
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Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I learn more about the type of plastic as well as the material properties of said plastic.
 
Man, they're already batting around the idea of the ZL1 and the Gen 6 hasn't even shown up yet.

Fair bet is a 600 BHP version of the LT4? Probably? I mean, the CTS-V gets a nearly full-fat version at 640 BHP, and it isn't as though they can't improve on the 580 BHP that the previous version had. I'm assuming they'll let the ZL1 have a free pass over the ATS-V, which makes me wonder if they'd ever do some kind of crazy ATS-V with the same engine.
 

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