82nd Running Of The Le Mans 24 Hours - 14/15 June 2014.

[Zenmervolt]

It seems I got my German cities mixed up.

Eh, for a long time the two companies were so intermingled that there wasn't much difference between Wolfsburg (VW) and Stuttgart (Porsche). I know this from having owned a 914, a 924S, a 944, and a 951.

 

[CarBastard]

Let's not compare Toyota to Peugeot.

Why not? At this exact moment, Toyota seems to repeat Peugeot's history in 2010: quick car, great drivers, hellish pace...and all goes to the toilet because Audi's pressure is relentless and the weakest link in the chain breaks, handing the victory to Audi in a silver platter. Also, agree with @ClydeYellow, there are no undeserving winners. They did their job, they made no mistakes, they had no break-downs = they diserved to win.

 

[RACECAR]

Toyota is just like Peugeot: fast, but they always break down. And I have a feeling their Le Mans story will turn out the same way as their F1 story.

I can only hope Toyota will say to themselves "Now why the hell didn't we enter a third car..."

Recall that Peugeot also went the three car route and Still didn't win in 2010.

 

[CarBastard]

EuroSport UK commentators mentioning #7's problem was due to wiring.

Recall that Peugeot also went the three car route and Still didn't win in 2010.

They actually went the four car route in 2010 and 2009 if I'm not mistaken. One year they gave a previous year unit to Pescarolo Sport (back when the team wasn't bankrupt ) which caught fire and the other year they gave one to Oreca, both years they still fielded 3 works Team Total 908s...aaaaaaaaaaaaand the rest is history. Fiery history .

 

[ProjectWHaT]

100 pages! Congrats

 

[Hayden]

Drinking time guys!

 

[Skython]

I guess now it's between Audi and Porsche. Germany vs Germany.

 

[XS]

61 Venturi Ferrari crashed in the Porsche curves. Official 7 retirement notice given. 97 Aston in the pits getting work, scheduled that is.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Drinking time guys!

Ferrari crash?

Tree

 

[Savolainen83]

100 pages! Congrats

40+ more to go if we want to beat last years thread.👍

EDIT: #51 Ferrari enters first in GTPRO

 

[Organ-Donor]

#97 Aston in for brakes

 

[SagarisGTB]

Well now you're being a bit daft. The point was you stated something before the facts were in, as if you are on the Toyota team yourself. Why do something so annoyingly naive? Rather you should have waited like the rest of us and then I wouldn't be busting your chops. Now you've decided to make analogies that aren't comparable to the context of your original post.

C'mon now! I think you were being naive. When I posted, the #7 was "missing" for nearly 15 minutes. Even if it would have popped up seconds later perfectly fine, it would have been at least 4 laps down. And it popping up undamaged was very unlikely, as cars that stop out on track for such prolonged periods are most likely goners. Considering how far back in the order the #8 was/is, my statement wasn't daft at all.

 

[Prince.M5]

So.. Electrical problems affecting the #7? Sigh..

 

[Shinshiki]

You guys keep comparing one year of Peugeot's Le Mans history. Not the Peugeot of 2009, 2011, 92, or 93 for that matter. Let's not forget that Peugeot has actually won Le Mans unlike Toyota.

 

[CarBastard]

40+ more to go if we want to beat last years thread.👍

It's gonna be hard with the new longer pages!

Aston #97 going in for new brakes!

 

[Crazyguy1990]

40+ more to go if we want to beat last years thread.👍

I wonder what the page per hour rate on this forum is...

 

[CAMikaze]

Time I made like a vampire and get some sleep before the sun rises at Le Mans. I do hope to get up in a couple of hours to see as much of the rest of the race as I can before I have to go to work.

 

[Skython]

40+ more to go if we want to beat last years thread.👍

Well there's still nine of hours of racing... So yeah.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Now that Aston is getting its scheduled brake change @Organ-Donor

 

[Techy]

Wow, the gap between P1 and P2 in GT Am is 30 or so laps! Is that right?

 

[Mac K]

MMMMMMMMMMMMM Aston

 

[Shinshiki]

EuroSport UK commentators mentioning #7's problem was due to wiring.



They actually went the four car route in 2010 and 2009 if I'm not mistaken. One year they gave a previous year unit to Pescarolo Sport (back when the team wasn't bankrupt ) which caught fire and the other year they gave one to Oreca, both years they still fielded 3 works Team Total 908s...aaaaaaaaaaaaand the rest is history. Fiery history .

Actually, Benoit Trelyer rolled the Pescarolo Peugeot in 2009.

 

[RACECAR]

So there's a retirement notice.

You guys keep comparing one year of Peugeot's Le Mans history. Not the Peugeot of 2009, 2011, 92, or 93 for that matter. Let's not forget that Peugeot has actually won Le Mans unlike Toyota.

Except Peugeot didn't win in 2011, Audi did.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Wow Aston lucked out on the brake change as theres a local yellow out

 

[CarBastard]

Actually, Benoit Trelyer rolled the Pescarolo Peugeot in 2009.

Can't remember exactly, but I think you're right there 👍.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

C'mon now! I think you were being naive. When I posted, the #7 was "missing" for nearly 15 minutes. Even if it would have popped up seconds later perfectly fine, it would have been at least 4 laps down. And it popping up undamaged was very unlikely, as cars that stop out on track for such prolonged periods are most likely goners. Considering how far back in the order the #8 was/is, my statement wasn't daft at all.

Not the point, you didn't have the facts, no reason to plug some trite before you did when you should have waited like everyone else. Also not talking about the #8, my issue was with your statement on the #7.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Toyota is just like Peugeot: fast, but they always break down. And I have a feeling their Le Mans story will turn out the same way as their F1 story.

I'd say that's premature. Toyota have shown fair reliability so far, this #7 retirement is their first at Le Mans since their return and their overall reliability doesn't seem worse than Audi's.

 

[ClydeYellow]

Going for three cars is a tactic that doesn't pay off if you can't build a good team around them. You need all three cars racing with the best drivers and working like clockwork, else you're just burning cash.
According to the livestream, the #7 was retired because of electrical problems, more specifically wiring problems. That is not supposed to happen, but it happened, and now Toyota's out of the podium, with little chance of bringing home anything but a disappointment.

 

[Shinshiki]

So there's a retirement notice.



Except Peugeot didn't win in 2011, Audi did.

But they did finish didn't they? With all 3 cars I might add. Sad that People only remember Peugeot for their 2010 effort and nothing else.....

 

[CarBastard]

I'd say that's premature. Toyota have shown fair reliability so far, this #7 retirement is their first at Le Mans since their return and their overall reliability doesn't seem worse than Audi's.

Yeah, I wouldn't call it always either, either for Toyota or Peugeot, but they surely felt prey this year to the same thing that killed Peugeot in 2010: German Panzer tanks that aren't as fast but are reliable as hell on the limit.