83rd Running Of The Le Mans 24 Hours - 13/14 June 2015.

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This interpretation is of the rule has sense but is way too harsh expecially when no LMP1 cars will be effected by not penalizing Nissan. One of the cool things about racing is competing with different ideas and this year they brought quite a lot of interest with this radical new design. But hey, as long as Nissan is not making a big deal I don't either. Better luck next year.

I don't understand your logic here and earlier posts. As far as I know, every form of sanctioned racing, whether motorsports, bicycles, running, probably even lawn mower racing, places the slower entries further back. If not the start of the race could be very ugly. By your logic they could say that the "gentleman racers" spent a lot of money to be there, and it's not their fault they're not all that fast, so go ahead and put them up front. But that would be silly, and we'd mostly see how good the faster cars are at avoiding slower traffic at the first turn. Nissan knows the rules, they're playing by them, they're exploring a different, unique idea, and making a valiant attempt. I don't see why you think they could rage quit over rules being applied to them, as they're not 13.

But dangit, I was going to avoid posting about Nissan. Ah well.

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But back to the race in general, I can't find it now, but earlier I read a comment from Radio Le Mans that every qualifying session had a red flag this year, and they don't recall that happening before. That's a bit unnerving.
 
I don't understand your logic here and earlier posts.
It's ok you don't have to. Basically I'm just saying I hope it won't change anything. Yes, it's true they are not 13 but it's also true they have a different culture. But as long as they are fine it's ok.
 
@Sertsa About your "not-Nissan-related" comment ;) ... here why the red flags happened (as per the autosport live commentary)



Free Practise Wednesday

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14:05 The KCMG entry in LMP2 has stopped trackside at the first Mulsanne Chicane. Richard Bradley is behind the wheel of the ORECA-Nissan 05 he's sharing with Nicolas Lapierre and Matt Howson.



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16:13 Red flag. Looks like something has happened in the Porsche Curves.

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16:16 Mark Patterson in the Murphy Prototypes LMP2 entry has crashed at the Porsche Curves.






Qualifying Wednesday (1st session)

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20:59 Red flag - seems there's also a car off somewhere in the vicinity of Mulsanne Corner.

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21:03 Word coming through that the red flag is for the Greaves LMP2 entry, with Paletou at the wheel, in the barriers at Mulsanne.





Qualifying Thursday (2nd session)

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17:42 RED FLAG. Something off at Porsche Curves it seems.

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17:43 It's Duncan Cameron. He's beached the #55 GTE Am Ferrari in the gravel.

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17:53 The red flag is still flying here at Le Mans.

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17:53 Marshals are making use of this stoppage to carry out some work on the tyre barrier hit by the #13 Rebellion at the first Mulsanne chicane earlier.



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18:31 Jan Magnussen has crashed at the Porsche Curves, and it looks like a big hit for the #63 Corvette.

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18:34 Replays show Magnussen hit the barriers with the front-right of his C7.R after a wobble through the middle part of the Porsche Curves.

The car straightens up almost immediately after getting slightly out of shape, which caused it to smash the barrier. An odd impact, one that's caused quite a bit of damage to the car.

Magnussen's still in the car but receiving attention from the medical team.



Qualifying Thursday (3rd session)

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21:08 And now it's a red flag. It's not clear what the problem was, although the #67 AAI Porsche was seen coasting in that part of the track with a lot of smoke trailing from it. So possibly related to that.

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21:10 From an onboard, we've seen a GT car ablaze on Mulsanne. Looks like it is the #67 AAI car driven by Kapadia. That was the car that was coasting with smoke coming from under it.





So, red flags were mostly due to minor incidents and time for barrier repairs, with the only serious incident being Magnussen's.

I guess the guys out there are being extra careful. Can't blame them for that ...
 
So, besides actual TV coverage and the WEC app, is there any known streams where I could get some actual TV-esc broadcasts, not just onboards?
 
The ways you originally listed?

Well, as far as TV coverage goes, the U.S. is bairly getting anything. Fox Sports decided to cut the first 10 hours, show a bit when 95% of the country is asleep, and the last half hour of the race. That and running downtown to grab a $15 Play Store card in the middle of a thunderstorm jusy to watch a race.

Call me cheap, but there has to be more than two options out there, no?
 
My background is in psychology, not marketing, but the way I see it, there are two potential marketing goals from racing: brand awareness and brand image.

In terms of brand awareness, no news is bad news. Just getting people talking about a brand increases brand awareness. Why is this important? Because familiarity with something automatically increases the value we place on it. This is known as the “mere exposure effect” (or the “familiarity principle”). So Nissan fielding a weird car works great here. And, indeed, it doesn’t have to do well, since we’re not after anything except making headlines and getting people talking. Even a failure can be advantageous here, as long as it’s a failure that gets talked about.

In terms of brand image, though, we’re working with different phenomena. Here, we don’t just want people talking, we want them talking about the right things. We’re looking to associate the Nissan, NISMO, and GT-R names in people’s minds with at least two things: racing and success. Note that this doesn’t just apply to the demographic that will buying the Nissan GT-R. Halo cars like the GT-R (or the Corvette) produce a halo effect that extends down to lowly vehicles like the Sentra (or Chevy’s latest incarnation of the Cavalier/Cobalt/whatever). If we like the GT-R but we’re too poor (or responsible ;) ) to buy one, we might still be more inclined to buy a Nissan because of the halo effect. Similarly, if we like racing and we’re impressed with Nissan’s performance at Le Mans, we like the brand more. When we go to answer the question of “what car should I buy?”, we’re more apt to answer “a Nissan” if we like Nissan or associate Nissan with attributes we either identify with (e.g., racing or success) or if we like the brand, whatever the context.

So here’s where we (or Nissan, really) can run into issues. Does having a losing car at Le Mans help the brand? In terms of brand awareness, sure. People are talking about Nissan, so that’s good. In terms of brand imagine, though, that’s enormously less clear. On the one hand, people talking about Nissan in the context of racing. So now the brains of people exposed to this news are somewhat more likely to associate “Nissan” (and “NISMO” and “GT-R”) with the concept of “racing.” That’s good. But if the car, and the brand, are being associated with ideas like “slow,” “unreliable,” and “failure,” that doesn’t help. Doubly so because now the race car isn’t just associated with Nissan, it’s also associated with some of their trademarks: NISMO and GT-R.
 
Well, as far as TV coverage goes, the U.S. is bairly getting anything. Fox Sports decided to cut the first 10 hours, show a bit when 95% of the country is asleep, and the last half hour of the race. That and running downtown to grab a $15 Play Store card in the middle of a thunderstorm jusy to watch a race.

Call me cheap, but there has to be more than two options out there, no?
Those are the choices anything else is illegal and against the rules of the site.
 
Those are the choices anything else is illegal and against the rules of the site.

I see. We'll have to see what happens. I might find a way to get that stream from the app. Just sucks that Fox Sports is showing such a small amount of the race. Sure they can't show all of it, but I believe they're showing even less than last year, which is downright disappointing.
 
Posted this in another thread (kind of off topic).

What i'd like to see Nissan do to the next GT-R road car. I think the influence is obvious. :lol:

W.I.P





(On topic):

Can't wait for the race to start, going to try and catch as much of it as i can. I'd love to see Nissan do well but i'm not expecting too much. Be great to see Porsche end the Audi dominance. :D
 
I see. We'll have to see what happens. I might find a way to get that stream from the app. Just sucks that Fox Sports is showing such a small amount of the race. Sure they can't show all of it, but I believe they're showing even less than last year, which is downright disappointing.
For what it's worth, if you buy the WEC stream for Le Mans, it works both in the iOS/Android app and in a web browser, both. Apparently, it's just like a regular TV broadcast except that you can also switch it to on-board cameras.
 
Well, as far as TV coverage goes, the U.S. is bairly getting anything. Fox Sports decided to cut the first 10 hours, show a bit when 95% of the country is asleep, and the last half hour of the race. That and running downtown to grab a $15 Play Store card in the middle of a thunderstorm jusy to watch a race.

Call me cheap, but there has to be more than two options out there, no?

I got the coverage through the official app ($10), but if audio only will do it you could stream Radio Le Mans, possibly while watching on boards. Anyway, there's a decent list here if anything works for you: http://reillybrennan.com/post/120465643925/2015-24-hours-of-le-mans-couch-kit-streaming
 
I got the coverage through the official app ($10), but if audio only will do it you could stream Radio Le Mans, possibly while watching on boards. Anyway, there's a decent list here if anything works for you: http://reillybrennan.com/post/120465643925/2015-24-hours-of-le-mans-couch-kit-streaming

That actually helps me out quite a bit. For whatever reason, I wasn't seeing most of the listing on FS Go. I guess there's more being broadcasted than I originally thought. Thanks for the list, really helped a lot!
 
Is it time to make our predictions yet? :D

LMP1: #18 Porsche
LMP2: #34 Ligier
GTE PRO: #51 Ferrari
GTE AM: #98 Aston Martin
 

GT-R is a proven car many times over, and has little to do with the car on display. Now if the newest GT-R came out tomorrow and was this set up or even just Hybrid I could see a point to what you've said. Secondly quit pulling stuff out of the air just to keep your argument alive you were doing just fine by sticking to the subject before you put Nissan's actual product line on the hot seat (or a pivotal piece of it).
 
Can anyone share a link that says something about Nissan not using the hybrid system? Can't seem to find anything, need it for reference.
 
Can anyone share a link that says something about Nissan not using the hybrid system? Can't seem to find anything, need it for reference.
The onboards with telemetry show the hybrid system with no charge. Maybe there is a video on youtube.
 
If the Nissan was running its hybrid system then they have a huge amount of work to redo. The top speed and straight line speed looks good but to be so far off suggest the chassis needs a lot of work.

It's an interesting project and the idea suggests it should be competitive but it's going to take a lot of work to just match the regular design and I'm not sure it's worth all that work. If it was a ground breaking, rule changing idea then it would be much closer imo. To work that hard to be so far off ...it just doesn't seem to be such a good idea. Hopefully they can solve the issues and hopefully it wasn't running the hybrid system
 
If the Nissan was running its hybrid system then they have a huge amount of work to redo. The top speed and straight line speed looks good but to be so far off suggest the chassis needs a lot of work.

It's an interesting project and the idea suggests it should be competitive but it's going to take a lot of work to just match the regular design and I'm not sure it's worth all that work. If it was a ground breaking, rule changing idea then it would be much closer imo. To work that hard to be so far off ...it just doesn't seem to be such a good idea. Hopefully they can solve the issues and hopefully it wasn't running the hybrid system
Read this.
 

I already read it before posting my comments.

I don't question the work or if they aren't fully invested. I'm saying he car right now, if they want it to work well needs a lot work. I'm pretty sure no one is happy at Nissan, they have struggled from the start and things have only kept being pushed back.

I understand people feel they are being harsh on Nissan but it happens. We as humans want things instantly and people who aren't inside the project or looking from the outside will see a ton of money being spent on something to go slower than an idea/concept which isn't breaking the competition AND going much slower than expected, after stating they would easily beat LMP2 which they didnt. I think that's what many people are confused by
 
I already read it before posting my comments.

I don't question the work or if they aren't fully invested. I'm saying he car right now, if they want it to work well needs a lot work.
Seems to me that's what they are doing, lots of work.

I understand people feel they are being harsh on Nissan but it happens. We as humans want things instantly and people who aren't inside the project or looking from the outside will see a ton of money being spent on something to go slower than an idea/concept which isn't breaking the competition AND going much slower than expected...
Well, of course it's slower. It's running on engine alone, no hybrid system, and not running the original AWD configuration that was supposed to be used for acceleration. That's what people don't get, that the car is seriously running like half the power of everyone else. 20 seconds with half the power is pretty good if you ask me.

...after stating they would easily beat LMP2 which they didnt....
As far as I can see, they beat all of the LMP2 cars except for one, again, with probably as much power as an LMP2 car. Think about that, if they were running LMP2 right now they would be top of the class. Then once they get the power back that they are missing, LOTS of progress will have been made.

Everyone is taking this really seriously, only because Nissan has decided to differentiate themselves from the rest of the teams by putting everything out there for the public to see. I can understand the frustration if you follow the sport and a new team comes in touting "1250hp with AWD on acceleration" and has to run half that power and half the drive wheels just to make progress. Progress is a great word there, one that goes well with Patience.
 
Everyone is taking this really seriously...

Because it's a serious sporting event. If a team go hyping up saying we have 1500bhp and we will change the motorsporting world forever, only to turn up with 450bhp and a car with one set of tyres and struggling to understand what it actually does. If every team hyped it up so much people would get tired of the crap being sold.

I take everything Nissan has said seriously until they came to Le Mans because as a fan it's becoming clear Nissan have lied and hyped it up to get media coverage. It's a serious sport and I will take it seriously if I want. If someone said they could beat Usain Bolts time in less than six months training and kept hypin it up and then turned up with his shoes and then go much slower people would be pee'd off because what was the point? Right now Nissan is like that.
 
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Can we all just agree that Nissan has a 0% chance of winning, and that they should use this race as a 24 hour test session, to gather some data for a benchmark, and then come back next year with their feet wet and a better car with all it's systems up and running? This thread's turned into the Nissan NISMO GT-R LMP1 Discussion Thread over the 83rd Running of the 24 Hours of Le Mans Discussion Thread.

M'kay, thanks. Back to your regularly schedualed banter.

Sorry for the semi-rant, but I'd rather talk about the race itself over "how much this catastrophe of a LM project will hurt Nissan's credibility or whatever we've been talking about for the past 2+ pages.

Can we talk about racing? I like racing.
 
Because it's a serious sporting event. If a team go hyping up saying we have 1500bhp and we will change the motorsporting world forever, only to turn up with 450bhp and a car with one set of tyres and struggling to understand what it actually does. If every team hyped it up so much people would get tired of the crap being sold.

I take everything Nissan has said seriously until they came to Le Mans because as a fan it's becoming clear Nissan have lied and hyped it up to get media coverage. It's a serious sport and I will take it seriously if I want. If someone said they could beat Usain Bolts time in less than six months training and kept hypin it up and then turned up with his shoes and then go much slower people would be pee'd off because what was the point? Right now Nissan is like that.
We'll just agree to disagree here.

I'll sit back and watch them make steady progress over the next year (because that's what it takes to make a winning race team, time and progress) and the told ya so's will be quite satisfying when the time comes. :)
 
Everyone is taking this really seriously, only because Nissan has decided to differentiate themselves from the rest of the teams by putting everything out there for the public to see. I can understand the frustration if you follow the sport and a new team comes in touting "1250hp with AWD on acceleration" and has to run half that power and half the drive wheels just to make progress. Progress is a great word there, one that goes well with Patience.
Think of it like online dating. This girl's profile picture is incredible, she looks like a supermodel. You text a bit, and she seems like she'd be down to go home with you after the date. But when you show up at the restaurant, she's 300lbs and wearing a chastity belt. You'd be pretty pissed.
 
So I was originally on call today/Saturday (for work) and looked like they would not need me but now they do, so it looks like I'll be missing the majority of the race :indiff:.
Anyway, my predictions:
LMP1: Audi
LMP2: OAK Racing
LMGTE Pro: Aston Martin
LMGTE Am: Porsche Medley
 
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Nissan's longest run in any session this week is only 8 laps. Add that to the shots I have seen of the car covered in front brake dust I would be shocked if they arent all parked in the garage after 4 hrs.

Picks
LMP1- #1 Toyota (slowish and steady)
LMP2- #46 Thiriet by TDS Oreca 05 Nissan
GTE Pro- #64 "Murica
GTE Am- #83 AF Corse Ferrari
 
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