86th Running Of The 24 Hours Of Le Mans, 16-17 June 2018

[2clicks]

Aston Martin Am has binned it.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Change of overalls required. #90

 

[Cano]

Hour and a half.

 

[MaddinICE]

What is with the lap limit rules? Anyways, P1 is allowed a max 11 lap stint, so isn't that a penalty too?

12 laps are allowed, 11 are possible for the Toyota it seems. Toyota said that Kamui simply missed the pit exit.

 

[Prince.M5]

#90 Aston spun into the gravel, just made it out of the gravel trap and stopped.

 

[Michelin Man]

Indeed. As it sits now,this has been the most ridiculous Le Mans running.

And how? It's not like there's been mega dominating performances before...

How much power are the Gibson powered lmp1 cars packing?

Around 700bhp unless mistaken.

 

[SilkCutXJR]

The gap between the leading Toyota and the Rebellion is bigger than that between the Rebellion and the best LMP2, so I think you are right. I was in favor of the EoT concept to save the race and the transition season, but ultimately, it failed. It would have been better to just let the Toyotas run as sole LMP1 cars and have a bigger LMP2 field.

I was so for Toyota the last couple of years because I am still bitter they did not take it home in 98/99. This year, I just can´t feel happy for them...before the race they said something like 0.5sec./lap and now its more than half an hour even with that many race distortions. its 85 minutes remaining but if they win, it´ll be a hollow victory which has been given to them. On the other hand I say, for their perseverance and sheer guts to still be around....it´s well earned.

In 1982 for example, porsche was so far ahead in terms of technology, pace, organisation and fuel consumption, their cars won with an easy 1 2 3 over all the other cars which also were "in another category" despite having c1 stickers on the side. so this isn´t a first...

 

[2clicks]

A shame that the old Aston Martin chassis has to go out like this. I'm not a fan of how the liveries look on the new chassis. The iconic 'lipstick' looks more like a gumguard now.

 

[raven214]

12 laps are allowed, 11 are possible for the Toyota it seems. Toyota said that Kamui simply missed the pit exit.

That's not what the commentators are saying (they could, of course, be wrong). They are saying 11 is the max allowed. I don't understand the whole thing though. Why limit the number of laps the cars may run? To eliminate pit strategy?

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Around 700bhp unless mistaken.

And I'm guessing the Toyota is running 900+ including electric power.

I hope - if Toyota stays for 2019 - that the other lmp1 teams goes turbo power, and gives them more of a fight.

 

[Michelin Man]

And I'm guessing the Toyota is running 900+ including electric power.

I hope - if Toyota stays for 2019 - that the other lmp1 teams goes turbo power, and gives them more of a fight.

Under full hybrid deployment, the Toyota's making in excess of 1000hp. Under pure petrol power it's making 500-600hp if I remember correctly.

So yea, the non-hybrids could do with a power boost to properly compete really, least on the straights to make up for the acceleration deficit.

 

[Downhill Dino]

That's not what the commentators are saying (they could, of course, be wrong). They are saying 11 is the max allowed. I don't understand the whole thing though. Why limit the number of laps the cars may run? To eliminate pit strategy?

Probably to prevent a lot of people from going slow around the track like the Toyota just did. That's a hazard that can be avoided if you fill up.

 

[Dotini]

That's not what the commentators are saying (they could, of course, be wrong). They are saying 11 is the max allowed. I don't understand the whole thing though. Why limit the number of laps the cars may run? To eliminate pit strategy?

It may be for safety, to limit the number of worn tire blowouts.

 

[Silent Drifter]

That's not what the commentators are saying (they could, of course, be wrong). They are saying 11 is the max allowed. I don't understand the whole thing though. Why limit the number of laps the cars may run? To eliminate pit strategy?

From what I heard, they can do a maximum 12 laps, but Toyota have been doing 11 most of the time. It sounds like a new rule for this year, as GTE Pro can do, I believe 14 laps max.

 

[MaddinICE]

That's not what the commentators are saying (they could, of course, be wrong). They are saying 11 is the max allowed. I don't understand the whole thing though. Why limit the number of laps the cars may run? To eliminate pit strategy?

When a SC came out, Toyota did 12 laps everytime, this is the max that they're allowed to.

#81 BMW and #93 Porsche only 11th and 12th in class, but still fighting hard!

 

[raven214]

And I'm guessing the Toyota is running 900+ including electric power.

I hope - if Toyota stays for 2019 - that the other lmp1 teams goes turbo power, and gives them more of a fight.

They said around 500bhp from the engine and another 500bhp from the hybrid.

Good Porsche/BMW GTE battle!

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Looking a bit sleepy there Jenson

 

[jake2013guy]

And I'm guessing the Toyota is running 900+ including electric power.

I hope - if Toyota stays for 2019 - that the other lmp1 teams goes turbo power, and gives them more of a fight.

On that, as Le Mans will be at the end of the season and the GT Prototype rules are in for Le Mans in 2020, will there actually be any LMP1 cars?

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

On that, as Le Mans will be at the end of the season and the GT Prototype rules are in for Le Mans in 2020, will there actually be any LMP1 cars?

That's a good question. I'm hoping the 2020 regulations will be the shake up needed to once again have a thriving top category with many manufacturers in wec.

 

[Silent Drifter]

On that, as Le Mans will be at the end of the season and the GT Prototype rules are in for Le Mans in 2020, will there actually be any LMP1 cars?

I'm thinking not. I think the GT Prototype cars are to replace the LMP1 cars, as a cheaper alternative.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

GT Prototype is supposed to be an lmp1 replacement, so no lmp1 in 2020.

 

[SilkCutXJR]

I'm thinking not. I think the GT Prototype cars are to replace the LMP1 cars, as a cheaper alternative.

2019 will (hopefully) be the swansong of this category. It´s had its day (as it is now). If they want to play around with new prototype regulations, do it with lmp2. In the 90s it was the wsc class with different weight-based sub-classes.

 

[raven214]

On that, as Le Mans will be at the end of the season and the GT Prototype rules are in for Le Mans in 2020, will there actually be any LMP1 cars?

Toyota has committed to running in 2019, although that could always change. Since they have no competition, why not return and go for 2 Le Mans victories in a row (assuming they don't #Toyota today)?

 

[SilkCutXJR]

Toyota has committed to running in 2019, although that could always change. Since they have no competition, why not return and go for 2 Le Mans victories in a row (assuming they don't #Toyota today)?

As it was with Peugeot in 92/93.....no "real" competition then.

 

[Silent Drifter]

Toyota has committed to running in 2019, although that could always change. Since they have no competition, why not return and go for 2 Le Mans victories in a row (assuming they don't #Toyota today)?

The 2019 Le Mans is apart of this years Super Season. So they should be back.

 

[baldgye]

Gutted for the TF Sport guys... does anyone know if they are back out on track?

 

[raven214]

As it was with Peugeot in 92/93.....no "real" competition then.

To be fair to Toyota, they are still here and competing. It's not their fault Audi and Porsche (and Peugeot further back) all pulled out. They are still competing and following the regulations and that's really all you can do.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I woke up 20 min ago to find Toyota having problems again, can't they just catch a break for once? Also, that BMW and 911 were having a good battle.

 

[SilkCutXJR]

To be fair to Toyota, they are still here and competing. It's not their fault Audi and Porsche (and Peugeot further back) all pulled out. They are still competing and following the regulations and that's really all you can do.

As I was saying above:

On the other hand I say, for their perseverance and sheer guts to still be around....it´s well earned

 

[Silent Drifter]

I woke up 20 min ago to find Toyota having problems again, can't they just catch a break for once? Also, that BMW and 911 were having a good battle.

All is good. Kobayashi forgot to box, and had to conserve fuel.